Odds & Ends: Morillo, Bay, Cabrera, Gonzalez

IMO opinion they deal Adrian before the start of the season, even if they do not have to trade him. Like just about every analyst and journalist is pointing out he will demand a haul of top prospects and at least one MLB "proven player", like a Buhholz. New "owners" come with changes, hence the GM, Hoyer etc, would not surprise me at all to see him gone before the spring for ONLY quality NOT just quantity because again, the Padres do NOT have to trade him and many teams IMO mainly the SOX have to get him to compete with the Yankees and have the players to do it!

I'm seriously considering starting a website showing every stupid Mets trade from MLBTR.

If the Yankees really want to flex their might they could field a very scary team.

Let Damon, Nady, and Matsui go and sign Holliday for LF and Cameron for CF. They get a huge defensive upgrade in the OF and they add another dynamic offensive presence in Holliday.

I dont think they'd do it because they'd face too much public backlash. i.e. 3 $100M contracts in 2 years...

Well there goes the Padres chance at landing a quality CF via FA in Cameron. If Yankees are remotely interested in any player, it pretty much eliminates my team along with half of the other teams in the league.

Uggla makes a ton of sense for SD as a power hitter that puts less pressure on our OF to hit for power, and also allows us flexibility to use speedier OF's who hit for avg.

Regarding the perennial Adrian rumors, I would personally be pretty disappointed if Buchholz was the only player coming back described as a "proven player". In my opinion he isn't exactly "proven" yet, with an avg ERA in less than 100 IP last year. Buccholz also isn't exactly a youngun' in prospect years, and pitchers often experience regressions when the league gets a better look after seeing a pitcher a few times. All of this leads me to believe that Buccholz is another promising, yet probably overhyped, prospect pushed by the big-market clubs and sports writers. Ellsbury on the other hand...

Holy crap can MLBTR just stop posting any rumors about the Yankees outfield? I am a diehard Yanks fan and can honestly say any board with anything involving the Yankees is immediately ruined.

I'm a bit disappointed to see Morillo go, but since he was out of options and so is Boof Bonser, it makes the Twins bullpen picture a bit clearer.

I'm seriously considering starting a website showing every stupid Mets trade from MLBTR.

Posted by: TwinRoyals | November 15, 2009 at 08:27 PM

You just made my day. Haha.

"Cameron is only a slight improvement over Melky Cabrera. Cameron's OBP is only 17 points higher over the past two years. The real difference is that Cameron has a lot more power. I would only expect Cameron's production to slow as he ages. In addition after Cabrera got a wake up call of a demotion to AAA at the end of 2008 he has been a much improved hitter and has the potential of getting better."

...there's also that whole defense thing.

Cameron is only a slight improvement over Melky Cabrera. Cameron's OBP is only 17 points higher over the past two years. The real difference is that Cameron has a lot more power. I would only expect Cameron's production to slow as he ages. In addition after Cabrera got a wake up call of a demotion to AAA at the end of 2008 he has been a much improved hitter and has the potential of getting better.

Fans need to keep in mind the Yankees need to maintain or exceed the production that Jhonny Damon and Hideki Matsui contributed to the team.

The only way I could see Cameron signing with the Yankees is if Cabrera was traded away or the Yankees decided to make him the 4th OF. Cabrera is an in between guy, not bad enough to only be a back up, but not good enough to be a starter on many teams.

Posted by: Jeff Levy | November 15, 2009 at 09:13 PM

I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up strikeouts as if they were worth more than other outs. An out is an out is an out. Frankly, I rather the guy strikeout than hit into a double play.

Ryan Howard breaks MLB strikeout records seemingly every year (his own records) but who would doubt his value?

What makes Cameron a good pickup is his OPS AND fielding. Melky, since being called up, has not improved in his hitting nor his fielding. You aren't just taking Cameron for his hitting -- he's a better fielder than Melky.

And, yes, Melky is a lot younger. However, Ajax is almost ready to be called up and then what do you do with Melky? Everyone keeps bringing up Cmaeron's age as if they want to sign him to a 10 year contract. It's just for the short term. (1-2 years) Plus, you get whatever you can get by trading Melky to a small market team in need of a cheap young CFer.

Cameron will be 37 next year but the guy takes care of his body. He has yet to show any kind of regression in either his hitting or his fielding. Compare Cameron's and Melky's WAR numbers. Even if Cameron "regressed" to half of his 2009 WAR, it would still be better than Melky's best season.

How many times did they say Jeter's getting too old? His MVP type season and Gold Glove might prove otherwise. (Even if he wasn't the best defensive SS, he improved drastically)

i hope the yankees don't sign lackey matt figgins or bay really dont wanna hear people saying yankees bought another WS

just sign cameron in center. bring back matsui to DH
melky in left in RF split nady/swish

sign either harden/Bedard/Duchscherer/sheets/ i know they are all injury pron.so maybe a trade for arroyo. bring back andy

1.CC
2.Aj
3.andy
4.harden/Bedard/Duchscherer/sheets/arroyo
5.phil/joba

If the Red Sox buy Matt Holliday and win the World Series, did they buy their championship? If the Phillies buy Chone Figgins and win, did they buy theirs? The answer is no in both cases, which is the same answer it would be if the Yankees sign a free agent. You can't pick and choose.

Also, if Hoyer waits til the summer of 2011 (which is what that tidbit led me to believe Olney was suggesting), he is not as intelligent as people have suggested. Adrian is worth way more now, than he will be in a year and a half. Plus, does anyone honestly see the Padres going anywhere as a team this year? They traded Peavy, their best pitcher, and they have a team that is pretty much just Adrian Gonzalez. Besides maintaining ticket sales (which I can't believe will be that highly influenced by a guy, who great player and all, is on a team that is still losing year after year), waiting just diminishes Gonzalez's value. I say if he doesn't go this offseason, the Hoyer administration has stumbled out of the gates.

Actually I honestly do see the padres going somewhere this year. At the end of the season the padres looked much better last year, the won 9 out of their last 12 series, and were above 500 for the second half. Even without Peavy (Or any other big name pitcher, on top of that Peavy has been hurt alot in the past 4 or so years). Padres were deffinatley much better the second half and considering the Dodgers current situation (GM and Wifes divorce, and lawsuit coming up, I expect problems for them, the Giants are old besides a couple, Arizona just has problems and their young players just are that good, and the Rockies being very unstable(not consistent) who knows what could happen. Plus they got a lot of good young pitchers from the White sox, let alone what they already have. As far as Gonzo goes, its an unfortunate thing, but considering the payroll and also the fact the chances of resigning him are slim and the fact that they have Blanks makes it even more likely of happening sooner, I'd say he'll be gone before the season starts. If someone really wants him they're not going to wait half a season to pick him up. Plus his brother opted for FA, and he was a factor on AG being happy in San Diego. But Yeah considering their budget and the need for more room and ability to sign some of the good young players they have to longer contracts. I'd see him going long before season begining. I love him but know he's gone but not sure if the trade will be with the Sox (I think the only problem with that is its like insider trading, the guy knows exactly what you got and isn't going to go away without exactly what he wants).

Some interesting comments here today, could someone check out my Twins Offseason Outlook and tell me what you think so far. Thanks guys, keep up the good work.

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I think it might be the best move for the tigers since they seem to have promise at 1b. There is no way that u think they get what they gave up for him, since he is still the same player, just 3 times more expensive than he was.

I am a giants fan and this is the type of player they need. If they are to deal a starting pitcher, it needs to be for someone that will be here for a while.

There are a few ways they could go. The tigers may want a deal where they get matt Cain and other prospects, not named posey or bumgarner. Or another way would be a prospect deal based around bumgarner. The truth I If the giants had to pay cabrera, they couldn't afford both lincecum and Cain. I would propose this deal.

Matt Cain, Aaron rowand, Ryan garko, Kevin pucetas, nick noonan. For Miguel cabrera.

The tigers get a stud SP, a replacement at 1b or dh, a solid SP prospect and a very good middle infield pospect and take on Aaron Rowand (still cut 3-5 mill this year and 12-15 mill each til 2012, then 18 mill each year after)

the giants get their power 1b and have bumgarner ready to step up AND get rid of rowand, and able to add a guy like brad penny.