Odds & Ends: Gonzalez, Halladay, Pettitte, Snyder

I could see an Uggla for Billingsley swap

"I could see an Uggla for Billingsley swap

Posted by: FishRock | November 09, 2009 at 03:56 PM"

Marlins 2010 Eastern Divisional Champs? Yeah sounds about right.

Dodgers 2010 winner of the most poorly ran club? Yeah even better.

i dont like how omar is sounding so desperate. scott boras much be chomping at the bit to talk matt holliday with him.

Sounds like a krod for pujols swap
Lol

"I could see an Uggla for Billingsley swap"

See, this is why I don't understand how Red Sox, Yankees, Mets and Cubs fans get bad reputations for making awful trade proposals that insanely benefit their side. The Dodgers have like 3 solid options at 2B but they are going to trade their ace for a pretty good 2B? No.

Sorry Ink, I slightly misread your post about Bills.

I am sorry but some of these comments are insane. You do not trade your cheap ace that is controlled for years for one year of halladay and you definitely don't do it for Dan uggla.

did the marlins front office ask all 35 of their fans to start virally putting the good word out on uggla? that guy's terrible.

I think that the Yankees should not bring matsui back, but damon for a year at DH. between Melky, Gardner, Jackson and Swisher, it should be just fine. The outfielders will be the bottom three spots of the lineup, so all the need to do is bat about .270 and they'll be fine. Swisher can hit homeruns, and is a switch hitter, Melky is a switch hitter who has shown progress, and with a .270 average for Gardner he can easily steal 30+ bases.

As for starters, bring back Wang on an incentive based deal, resign Pettite for a year, and try out Erik Bedard on an incentive based one year deal also.

Then in 2011, the DH spot will be free, put Jorge there, spend major money on Mauer, because Jorge only has one year left, and then go out and also get Carl Crawford, who is an excellent athlete, and get Roy Halladay.

I think you're selling Happ a BIT short...he wouldn't be THE big name in a Halladay deal, but most big-name prospects don't even reach the level of serviceable #3. He's certainly got more value than a B-level prospect.

I think that the Yankees should not bring matsui back, but damon for a year at DH. between Melky, Gardner, Jackson and Swisher, it should be just fine. The outfielders will be the bottom three spots of the lineup, so all the need to do is bat about .270 and they'll be fine. Swisher can hit homeruns, and is a switch hitter, Melky is a switch hitter who has shown progress, and with a .270 average for Gardner he can easily steal 30+ bases.

As for starters, bring back Wang on an incentive based deal, resign Pettite for a year, and try out Erik Bedard on an incentive based one year deal also.

Then in 2011, the DH spot will be free, put Jorge there, spend major money on Mauer, because Jorge only has one year left, and then go out and also get Carl Crawford, who is an excellent athlete, and get Roy Halladay.

Simple to put it... easier said than done.
Gardner is not good enough to produce well at the major league level. swisher is fine, and melky is alright too. I havent heard much about Jackson, but i prefer him over gardner. So basicly you want three guys to play for center in the spring of this coming year? Bedard is a huge injury risk, and mauer is probably going to stay with the twins.

Austin Jackson is not ready for the majors yet so he will be in the minors. So that gives you an outfield of Melky, Swish and Gardner. Not many fall back options there. The Yankees went into 2009 with Nady as their starting right fielder and Gardner as their starting center fielder and within a month it was a complete different scenario.

If the Yankees let Matsui go they need to find a way to replace his production. A rotation of Gardner, Cervelli and Ramiro Pena aren't going to able to do that (they are ultimately Matsui's replacement if the Yanks go in the direction of using the DH as a day off for Arod, Damon and Jeter).

I agree with slow playing most of the free agents to be on the Yankees except Pettitte. If Andy isn't back it changes the entire outlook of the Yanks rotation. With Andy in the rotation the Yanks can afford to have both Hughes and Joba in the rotation, but if he decides to retire they need to find another veteran presence.

Okay, I take back my first post. Uggla + Anibal Sanchez + Jai Miller for Billingsley

"I am sorry but some of these comments are insane. You do not trade your cheap ace that is controlled for years for one year of halladay and you definitely don't do it for Dan uggla."

I am a big Fish fan and Uggs is one of favorites, but really.. Billingsly is a serious over payment, but exactly the kind of guy the Fish are looking for.. Good young power pitcher, about ready to "maybe" break out.

Neal Huntington might make that move, but I doubt Colleti would be so foolish.

NrMax, Uggs would probably be moved to 3B before long is my guess anyway with regards to your post above, he is a serious short timer at 2B, his limited range grows shorter each and every year.

Anibal Sanchez tore his labrum and has averaged 56 innings a year since 2006. I doubt his inclusion sways the Dodgers to deal Billingsley. If Billingsley winds up in FLA, it's probably on a blockbuster involving both Uggla and Josh Johnson, with obviously more going Florida's way than Billingsley.

solid shot? it wouldn't even be fair, and it would never ever happen. to get all 3 of them you would have to trade all your prospects. What do you think would make that a fair trade, just curious. i can see getting either gonzales or hanley and then halladay. but al 3 i dont think so

" i can see getting either gonzales or hanley and then halladay. but al 3 i dont think so"

He said one of HanRam or AGon and Halladay...

Although I don't see us getting 2 of them. Maybe one, but not 2.

I think that the Yankees should not bring matsui back, but damon for a year at DH. between Melky, Gardner, Jackson and Swisher, it should be just fine. The outfielders will be the bottom three spots of the lineup, so all the need to do is bat about .270 and they'll be fine. Swisher can hit homeruns, and is a switch hitter, Melky is a switch hitter who has shown progress, and with a .270 average for Gardner he can easily steal 30+ bases.

As for starters, bring back Wang on an incentive based deal, resign Pettite for a year, and try out Erik Bedard on an incentive based one year deal also.

Then in 2011, the DH spot will be free, put Jorge there, spend major money on Mauer, because Jorge only has one year left, and then go out and also get Carl Crawford, who is an excellent athlete, and get Roy Halladay.

Posted by: Kenneth Szwech | November 09, 2009 at 05:06 PM

And then what yankee fan? Have A Bench of Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, and Grady Sizemore? You know, I try to post reasonable posts unlike some people and its things like this that make me upset at the viewpoint most yankee fans have.

The Red Sox are most likely not going to be pulling off any major trades like the ones proposed above this offseason. Our best prospects are at the lower minor league levels so we need to give them another year to develop before we can truly find out their potential. Also, Buchholz had a solid second half of the year and I am sure Theo is going to want to see if he can repeat that in 2010. With Lowell and Ortiz coming off the books next year I expect them to make a lot more dynamic trades next year and go after free agents this year.

"So how soon before we make a trade for adrain? thats if we even do make a trade."

My guess would be that Theo stays in contact with Hoyer throughout the entire offseason but in the end decides not to part with all the prospects it will take to acquire Gonzalez.

I sure wish that Cafredo, Speir and the rest of the Boston media would just stop drooling all over Adrian Gonzalez already. We are only 1 month into the off season and Gonzo has taken up nearly has much print space here as has Milton Bradley, then at least Gonzo is wanted by somebody :-)

To rehash what several others have posted before on *Minimum* to get Gonzalez and that was with Towers, Jed Hoyer is going to be far more familiar with Sox prospects than Towers was..

If any proposed deal was centered around young, controllable MLB talent, it would have to be headered by either Bucholz (never happen) or Jacoby Ellsbury, then include at least another pair of good, young arms. Boston would NOT include Casey Kelly as one, they would include from a list of Kyle Weiand, Stephen Fife, Felix Doubront and also one of the AAA pitchers Tazawa, or Bowden. Whether or not the Sox give up more than one of the A ball top prospects, or let go of the good arms they have in the GCL is a good question.

Without letting go of Bucholz, Bard (doubt he moves either), or Ellsbury, the only way to see any deal even remotely possible is to move either Ryan Westmoreland, or casey Kelly, both of which the Sox have deemed untouchable, which makes Gonzalez to Boston a moot point, they don't have much of anything at AA, or above right now ready to make the jump, other than Josh Reddick, maybe Tazawa and Bowden as longshots. The Sox depth is all at A Ball and lower since the V-Mart deal and all the promotions over the last year of young core players.

That is why a Gonzalez to Boston trade is far fetched.. The chips are not there since the Martinez deal. Masterson and Hagedone were VERY good pieces that could have been used, but no longer.

In short? Stop dreaming Boston fans and let Padre fans stop getting mad every time they see his name here in some hair brained/ludicrous offer.

"Remember when Boston/NYY were convinced that they were going to acquire Todd Helton because Colorado couldn't afford to keep him."

Ah yes Agonzo23, I remember that.. Colorodo had it through their thick heads that Helton and his horrendous contract that at that time (prior to 2007 season) had like 100M left on it was worth Mikey Lowell (about to walk as a FA after the year) AND Manny DelCarmen.. Lowell turned out to be the WS MVP that year vs those same Rockies and Helton has been hurt the majority of the time since, along with his massive contract, Lowell signed a 3/36M contract after putting up 21HR, 120RBI, 324 Avg and a 879 Ops that year, to go along with his WS MVP season and has been pretty fair, injury and all, at least a better value that 17M average salary than helton until the year 2011.

"2010 Payroll- $185-190 million

2011 Payroll- $190-195 million

2012 Payroll- $185

Its not that impossible, it's money management."

How is that money management, spending almost $200 million? Money management is what teams like the Rays do, not the Yankee$.

Agonzo,

It was my point on Gonzalez to not attempt to make the deal, we have our wires crossed..

The Sox simply do not have the chips to make the deal without moving core pieces (Ellsbury, Bucholz, Bard) at the MLB level, or top guys in Westmoreland and Kelly that they are hanging into and have *said* said least they don't want to move.

The non trade for Helton was just smart, Youkilis was on the way up and was no reason to make that trade. He was 5+ years younger, owed 15+M less and no health risk, plus they were going to get a 2nd year's worth of a look at that time at Lowell to see how he performed in the AL and see if they wanted to pursue him.

The Sox already had a LH heavy lineup and needed RH bats moreso, it was a smart move and DelCarmen was once a decent prospect, though you are correct that his star has fallen.

Boston and the Sox FO usually do not go out and sign guys to huge contracts Agonzo, look at the contracts they have, sure there are some large ones as compared to many teams, but not like the NYY, they have many in the 8-10M range, but only Ortiz and Drew over 10M i am almost certain.

"Boston fans were much more enjoyable as lovable losers, before they won a WS and became a bunch of d-bags. Don't ever win a WS Cubbie fans, lest you may suffer from Boston-itis."

C'mon now.. I like the Fish about as much as Boston and liked them back in the 60's as much as do now...

Agonzo,

Yeah on our going back and forth with our getting into a habit, friendly chats.

Youk, Pedroia, Lester, Papelbon are nowhere near 10M yet on contracts. granted the contracts of Youk, Pedey and Lester call for it, but that is 3+ years down the road. One could count that, but this coming year for instance, Pedey is set to make 3.5, Lester 3.75, Papelbon and Youk will end up with close to 8-10M (Youk is signed for 9.1M) and Dice-K is signed for 8M. That is 8-10M that I mentioned above, with Ortiz and Drew making the huge cash, don't know how forgot to mention Lowell when I even mentioned him making 3/36 above...

Beckett's 12M option did not think of either, but these are the types of deals the Sox FO trys to do and can fully see how fans of other teams may get annoyed, I don't want Boston giving Bay anywhere near 15M a year either, but figure they will and end up with a dead contract in about 2 years, like Ortiz and Lowell are now.

Then root for the Fish and hope they can keep Danny Uggla, who just makes a lousy 5M.. What a difference, understand where you are coming from with being hard to keep core players. Imagine having a team you dearly like totally dismantle a WS champion over the off season.. The Fish did...

Yankee-Lite, I like that. Why not the Cubbies, or Dodgers? Because they make sorrier signings of players? They spend more money, just spend it poorly, like on bloated contracts, to players (like Helton) with age against them and too long of a period. Contracts like that will shackle a team.

Spend on the farm system and build the core from within and add a piece here or there with the fruits of the system. have seen it work for the 1st time in history as a Sox fan. Fish do it pretty well also, only they are always rebuilding.

That Todd Helton albatross of a contract is one of the 5 worst in baseball. Anyone defending it or the non-trade to Boston is an IDIOT!

"I would have to assume that the Padres asking price on Adrian would be:

Bucholz
Bard
Kelly
Reddick

There would be no incentive for the Padres to move Adrian if they were not getting this kind of talent in return.

I heard the new season ticket holder brochure for the padres doesn't have Adrian or Kouz featured. hmmmm....

The Padres are not under any kind of payroll pressure anymore, may have about 10m to spend. The Padres should only move Adrian, Kouz, or Bell if they feel like they have the advantage in the trade. These players are more productive than their salaries and therfore perfect for the Padres to keep."

your kidding right the red sox verbally stated bard and bucholz were of limit kelly serves dual roles for boston and is as well off limits reddick with the trade of hermida is the only one there"

Dude, Dont get your panties in bunches. I am not suggesting the Redsox would or should trade this type of package. If you actually read the entire post.... the point is unless the Red Sox or any other team is willing to trade this level of talent, then why would the Padres be in a hurry to move Adrian.