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David Ortiz thinks he can be the offensive "force" Theo Epstein wants him to be and he hopes to prove it for years to come. Big Papi told John Tomase of the Boston Herald that he has "another three or four good years" in him and he wants to spend them in a Red Sox uniform.
As much as he'd like to remain in Boston, Ortiz, who could be a free agent as soon as next winter, says he understands it might not be possible.
"If you don’t sign with somebody, someone else will sign you," he said. "That’s how it goes.”
The Red Sox have a $12.5MM option for Ortiz's services in 2011, but they will presumably look for more production before committing that kind of money to a player who will be 35 for the 2011 season. (FanGraphs values Ortiz's 2009 production at $3.2MM.)
Big Papi hit 28 homers and drove in 99 last year, but he hit just .238/.332/.462. He says his wrist will continue to grow stronger this offseason so he's confident he can live up to Epstein's standards in 2010.
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Love Big Papi but we all know that this is his last year in a Red Sox uniform. Hopefully he can come through with around a .260 average 30 home runs and 100 rbis that would be a solid year from him.
Posted by: redsox22 | November 03, 2009 at 11:13 AM
David Ortiz = Jason Giambi
Posted by: not sure | November 03, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Here come more unrealistic talks about Adrian Gon.
Posted by: Mickeykoke | November 03, 2009 at 11:18 AM
I think Papi still has a couple of decent seasons left in him. There is no way he will ever return to 2003-2007 form. He still is only 34.
Posted by: Yankees10 | November 03, 2009 at 11:21 AM
"Love Big Papi but we all know that this is his last year in a Red Sox uniform. Hopefully he can come through with around a .260 average 30 home runs and 100 rbis that would be a solid year from him."
Didn't he pretty much just have that kind of season?
I see pretty much no way that Ortiz is around in 2011, at least on that option. He just isn't that kind of hitter anymore, the Red Sox should probably move on, hopefully Lars Anderson rebounds in 2010.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 03, 2009 at 11:22 AM
If Ortiz doesn't return to form by July look for a trade with Washington for Adam Dunn.
I'm not sure if the 'Sox will want to negotiate an extension with Dunn before a deal is set, Dunn makes $12M in '10 and then is a FA...
Posted by: Eric | November 03, 2009 at 11:28 AM
"David Ortiz = Jason Giambi"
Giambi was able to play first base during his last Yankee year. Crappy defense but still. Ortiz can't. I would expect him to have a Matsui's 2009 season with similar numbers.
Posted by: A. Ryan | November 03, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Its really sad seeing all these hundreds of posts of "(Insert name) wants to stay with (Insert team)" when the player is so clearly not in the teams plans for next year.
Its like, dude, she's not going to call you back no matter how many messages you leave, let it go. I know you had a great time but that time has come to end and you have to move on.
Posted by: PL | November 03, 2009 at 11:33 AM
"Didn't he pretty much just have that kind of season?
I see pretty much no way that Ortiz is around in 2011, at least on that option. He just isn't that kind of hitter anymore, the Red Sox should probably move on, hopefully Lars Anderson rebounds in 2010."
Yeah but lets be honest in reality its not likely that he will have a much better season but there is a chance he could have a much worse season which is why I would settle for a repeat of last years numbers but with a better batting average
Posted by: redsox22 | November 03, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Stop talking to people and get in the batting cage.
Posted by: Cyyoung | November 03, 2009 at 11:53 AM
There just isn't any way that Ortiz is brought back. Once Reddick or Kalish can prove they are ready to play in the bigs every day it will move Bay to the DH spot or if Anderson proves he can play every day there is our DH. To many options on the table to keep him around.
Posted by: Blackcourt | November 03, 2009 at 11:55 AM
If Ortiz comes back strong in '10 and if there isn't much available that offseason I could see the Sox bringing him back. They would likely try to renegotiate of course but if he's really good in '10 they may not. I could see him finishing his career in Boston if he stays healthy and works hard to re-establish himself. That said, the chances of his '11 option getting picked up seem slim at this point.
Posted by: pageian | November 03, 2009 at 12:01 PM
If Ortiz doesn't return to form by July look for a trade with Washington for Adam Dunn.
I'm not sure if the 'Sox will want to negotiate an extension with Dunn before a deal is set, Dunn makes $12M in '10 and then is a FA...
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Uhh, no. Nevermind the fact that Ortiz can't play 1b in the NL, that trade just makes absolutely no sense for the Nats. Doesn't even make alot of sense for the Sox.
Posted by: HollywoodHamels | November 03, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Uhh, no. Nevermind the fact that Ortiz can't play 1b in the NL, that trade just makes absolutely no sense for the Nats. Doesn't even make alot of sense for the Sox.
Posted by: HollywoodHamels | November 03, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Just to clarify, he never said Ortiz to Washington.
Posted by: soxfan93 | November 03, 2009 at 12:04 PM
i know ortiz had an abismal april and may, but from june on he was one of the hottest hitters in the league. i really dont think he's done. another season of 54 homers is not likely but i could see another 35 hr, 110 rbi season out of him. i could see the sox extending him another year or two for the right price
Posted by: xwoojinx | November 03, 2009 at 12:06 PM
David Ortiz = Mo Vaughn
Posted by: pmc765 | November 03, 2009 at 12:08 PM
""Love Big Papi but we all know that this is his last year in a Red Sox uniform. Hopefully he can come through with around a .260 average 30 home runs and 100 rbis that would be a solid year from him.""
isnt this similar production the red sox got from bay this year? obvioulsly bay was better than that but certainly those numbers are in the ballpark of bays numbers this year. and the red sox are looking to give bay 15M a season. ofcorse there are other factors involved but the point im trying to make is that if ortiz hits .260 30HR 100RBI why shouldnt the red sox give him an extension? maybe not for 3-4 years but what about 1 year with an option?
Posted by: Timmy B | November 03, 2009 at 12:16 PM
So Ortiz's contract is up at the end of the year and so is Prince Fielder's. HMMMMMMMMM
Posted by: TheKid19 | November 03, 2009 at 12:44 PM
3 or 4 more years? I lol'd.
Posted by: Gleb | November 03, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Please don't compare Ortiz to Matsui. Two completely different players with different approaches. Matsui is an a ten compared to Ortiz's 5 or 6.
Yes Ortiz = Mo Vaughn
Ortiz may get another 3 or 4yrs, but I have a hard time thinking with who. The sox for as much as their FO doesn't show, would like to compete. They sure as hell have the money, so past 2010, I don't see Ortiz there. He'll likely end up somewhere like the Royals, shoot perhaps even the Rangers or Indians as the DH on the cheap for 2 yrs.
Posted by: TheDugout | November 03, 2009 at 12:48 PM
It's not out of the question that he could return. I assume he won't, but if has a good year, then you need to consider that we need a DH and a 3B. In order for us to fill both 3B and DH, then presumably both Lars Anderson and Reddick would have to be ready, and then we could slide Youk to 3B and Reddick to LF and Bay to DH. If one or the other is not ready, it's possible that Papi could make more sense for one year than a FA will for multiple years.
Posted by: Joey B | November 03, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Just like Theo Epstein said Ortiz needs to be an offensive force.Ortiz hit.238 BA 28 HR 99 RBI if all those numbers don't go up (most important BA)let him go.
Posted by: redsoxfansince84 | November 03, 2009 at 01:09 PM
"So Ortiz's contract is up at the end of the year and so is Prince Fielder's. HMMMMMMMMM"
Not exactly true, under rules of arbitration he's still under Brew Crew control in 2011.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | November 03, 2009 at 01:10 PM
Not exactly true, under rules of arbitration he's still under Brew Crew control in 2011.
Thats what I thouch but I dont understand that. Can you please explain how that works? Cuz isnt it something that Fielder could deny and become a FA? he signed a two year contract before last year but why didnt he buy out next year then too?
Posted by: TheKid19 | November 03, 2009 at 01:15 PM
I'm not convinced that Ortiz can do anything to get a contract from the Sox, particularly if he's seeking a deal longer than 2 years. The Sox are smart and know that the odds are stacked against Ortiz being able to rebound to anything close to his former self.
Not only do the Sox have internal options to replace Ortiz, but there will most certainly be a hitter of a higher caliber available via trade or free agency.
Posted by: huzzah | November 03, 2009 at 01:31 PM
"So Ortiz's contract is up at the end of the year and so is Prince Fielder's. HMMMMMMMMM"
Fielder's contract is up, but he's not a free agent, he's still under the control of the Brewers for 2011 as well, that's his last arbitration year before free agency.
"Thats what I thouch but I dont understand that. Can you please explain how that works? Cuz isnt it something that Fielder could deny and become a FA? he signed a two year contract before last year but why didnt he buy out next year then too?"
Before a player can hit free agency, he must accumulate six years of MLB service time.
The team gets to choose a player's salary for the first three years of that service time, and during the next three, they're given raises through the arbitration system, unless a team would rather release the player than give them the raise, in which case they non-tender the player, effectively making him a free agent.
Before his first year of arbitration, Fielder signed a two-year, $20M deal with the Brewers to cover his first two arbitration years, 2009 and 2010, so that the two sides wouldn't have to go to court to have a judge determine who wins the arbitration hearings.
The signing only gives Fielder a set salary for those seasons, but has no effect on his service time, so he still needs to accumulate six years of service time in order to become a free agent, which won't happen until after the 2011 season, so Fielder is eligible for arbitration one final time during the winter of 2010.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 03, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Well that's a huge sigh of relief as a Brewers fan!
I do believe that with Papi's time coming to an end in Boston, Prince would be a perfect fit in Boston. Obviously Milwaukee would be the best fit in my eyes, but we all know that pretty wishful thinking. Especially when he has another 30 HR 100+ RBI season AGAIN next year.
Posted by: TheKid19 | November 03, 2009 at 02:12 PM
Thanks for the knowledge Scribble
Posted by: TheKid19 | November 03, 2009 at 02:13 PM
The only way the Red Sox are getting Fielder is if they trade Youkillis. that would actually be a nice trade
Posted by: Richard | November 03, 2009 at 07:53 PM
Ortiz = Vladdie
there both too old
Posted by: Richard | November 03, 2009 at 08:04 PM
Ahh, the uncertainties of baseball. Does Fielder = Mo Vaughan? IMO, Papi's future with the Sox is very simple. If he continues his 2009 2nd half success, and has a great 2010 (as Bill James predicts), his option for 2011 gets picked up. If he has an above average 2011, and ends the year healthy, he gets another year, maybe 1/1, giving him the 3-4 more years he wants. It's entirely up to him. The Sox would like to retire his number, but it's up to him.
Posted by: gerald troy | November 04, 2009 at 10:25 PM
There is NO WAY David Ortiz ends his career in a Red Sox uniform unless he retires after the year. All you need to do is look at history. The Sox don't have the best track record when it comes to keeping their stars for the long haul. Clemens, Lynn, Pedro, Mo Vaughn, Nomar, Fisk, Manny, and coming soon Big Papi.
Posted by: FenwayFaithfulSince81 | November 05, 2009 at 05:10 PM