Phillies Notes: Lidge, Happ, Feliz

Trading for Roy Halladay would go against the history of this ownership group, so I don't see that happening, unless they trade Victorino. As for thirdbase I think they will get Beltre if they don't bring back Feliz or trade for a young thirdbaseman, like Alex Gordon or Brandon Wood.

I actually kind of hope that the Phils don't go after Halladay this offseason. He's going to have a huge pricetag, and while we need him, I'd rather save the farm and go after him next offseason. I hope they decline Feliz's option and sign him to a 1 or 2 million dollar deal and have him be a bench bat and put some money into Beltre. I think he'd be a wonderful fit and could do that lineup wonders. I would love it if the Phils also went after Sheets and Bedard.

Happ most likely could not be the centerpiece of a Halladya trade. He is already in his mid twenties and doesnt look to have that huge a cieling. the phils kinda gave away some good prospects for lee (although they havent panned out) and trading for halladay could potentially wipe out their system. plus, then they would be faced with the problem of re signing both lee and halladay next offseason. so then if they fall out of contention they might trade one of them midseason- the whole thing gets so complicated.

i think beltre would be perfect. great defense and going back to the NL might rejuvinate his bat.

At this point I can't see any team being willing to give up a quality mlb pitcher for 1 year of Halladay. Unless Halladay allows (or is allowed) to talk extension, then I don't think anyone will trade quality young mlb pitching (ala Happ, Billingsley or Joba) for Halladay, and certainly not multiple blue chip prospects.

....involving Happ being made withOUT an extension already done for him or Lee?

I really dont get why so many ESPN writers believe that Happ is really as good as his 09. He had ONE GOOD YEAR! Not even a full year. He has a #3 potential, nothing more. Its amazing.

And I dont put Joba or Happ in the category of Billingsley. Billz needs to cut down his walks and will be an ace. He has ace stuff, strong FB, great curve, nice slider, along with a slighty differnet curve, thats slower with the same break. If Torre doesnt throw him out there when he can barely walk to the mound because of how many pitches he has already thrown, he will become an ace.

Joba may have had that potential, but I think the Joba rules messed up his arm and he needs to be allowed to pitch w/o restriction to see what he can do. Either he becomes a starter, or is the heir aparant to Mo.

I still can't wrap my brain around a guy whose sig is "lakersdodgersyankees4life"

I mean seriously... you should just change that name to

"frontrunningbandwagoner4life"

also ... Buster is smoking crack... JA Happ is not better than a compensatory pick ... unless Drabek is coming the other way ... its a no go...

Buchholz and Kelly for Doc.

"Buchholz and Kelly for Doc."

The first reply to that trade offer would be a dialtone.

How can a guy who struggles at defensively at 2b claim to be "more comfortable" at 3b? Uggla needs to check himself.

If the Jays are smart, they trade Halladay for whatever they can salvage this offseason. If a deal centered around Happ is the highest, then they should suck it up and take it.

If the Jays are smart, they trade Halladay for whatever they can salvage this offseason. If a deal centered around Happ is the highest, then they should suck it up and take it.

Posted by: d32123 | November 08, 2009 at 07:53 PM"

Somebody will give up someone better than Happ.

JA Happ? Really? Guy has the definition of average stuff.

I'm just wondering when Sox and Yanks fans are going to realize that the Jays are most likely not going to trade within the AL East. I know you guys think you deserve every great player, but that is not the case. The way most Yankee fans think is that they should just have an "American All-Star" team also known as the New York Yankees. It's a joke and yeah I know their three big signings weren't that great in the WS, but they prob would not have gotten there or possibly not in the post season without them. Having all the great players on one team makes the games a non-event and frankly it's bad for baseball. The sad thing is that so many Yanks fans think they deserve all the great players just because they're "The Yankees." Please grow up, get over yourselves, and realize what your team is doing to baseball as a whole. Also, have fun with headcase Lackey next year...

OK now for the Halladay talk; Happ is a great rookie pitcher, since when is 12-4 and 2.93 ERA mediocre? He would have had more starts and prob more wins if he had been the starter all year, but they had to give it to Chan Ho because he had a better spring training and more experience overall. Domonic (not Dominic) Brown and Taylor are top 25 prospects in the country and the Phils only need one future outfielder, so they can deal without having one of them. Also, Drabek will prob be ready for 2011 and possibly late in 2010 so giving up Happ for a year (and possibly more who knows)of Halladay would prob work out ok. The Jays were stupid and didnt trade Halladay last trade deadline when they should have and now they won't be able to get as many prospects for him. A trade of Happ, Taylor or Brown, and another decent prospect is prob what the Phils would offer. I;m not saying the Jays will take it, but it would prob be smart if they did.

And furthermore, where is there any indication that the Phillies are going to increase payroll in 2010? From what I understand their payroll will be roughly the same as it was this year. Are they going to upgrade 3rd base & pay Roy Halladay on top of that?

Well payroll will increase with the amounts granted in the contracts of a lot of the current players and players like Victorino and Ruiz may get paid more as well. They need a 3B, BP help, and a right-handed bat off the bunch more than a top of the line starter, but it wouldnt hurt. I agree Happ prob won't have nearly as good a year as he did this year considering it was the first time these teams had seen him; young pitchers are rarely as effective after a stellar year (i.e. Cole Hamels). I would love to have Halladay, but the Phils could manage without him.