Odds & Ends: Hudson, Wang, Brewers, Cabrera

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rockiesfan_303
5 years 7 months ago

Wang to the Dodgers maybe to reunite with Torre? Seattle to be the 3rd starter(doubtful since he is still out so long). Mets a long shot probably.

markjsunz
5 years 6 months ago

Is Wang still able to get out major league hitters? Maybe a sprinfg training invitee, and go from there.

Hey Kelvin Says
5 years 7 months ago

There’s no chance seattle finishes last place, PECOTA predictions are a tad bit off this year.

I simply think the defense plus pitching has to award them atleast 2nd place finish, if not first.

Cliff Lee & Felix Hernandez, simply one of the best 1-2 punches. It’s epic.

I’m not a Seattle Fan, I’m a Yankee Fan. You gotta like how Jack Z is running the show though, good for them. Wish they signed Wang or someone else for more depth though.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I agree. and last year they predicted that the Indians would win the AL Central.

bjsguess
5 years 6 months ago

Finally a system that recognizes that Seattle just isn’t that good.

Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez are arguably the best 1/2 in baseball. Of course, the 3-5 guys are the worst in the AL West.

This team has no offense and significantly outplayed their expected win/loss. They are a 3rd place team at best – ending with a 500 record or possibly a few games north of 500. The Rangers and Angels will both be close to the 90 win range. The A’s are probably in the high 70’s.

zachdukerocksmysocks
5 years 6 months ago

No offense? I’m not saying they’re lethal but a core of Ichiro, Lopez, Gutierrez, Figgins is solid and if Bradley shuts up and plays he’ll produce. Wilson and Kotchman are nice complementary pieces. Griffey still has a little pop and Eric Byrnes has a slim shot of buncing back. Just because your not a line-up built to slug 180hrs doesn’t mean your bad. They have a good balance of speed and enough power.

zachdukerocksmysocks
5 years 6 months ago

No offense? I’m not saying they’re lethal but a core of Ichiro, Lopez, Gutierrez, Figgins is solid and if Bradley shuts up and plays he’ll produce. Wilson and Kotchman are nice complementary pieces. Griffey still has a little pop and Eric Byrnes has a slim shot of buncing back. Just because your not a line-up built to slug 180hrs doesn’t mean your bad. They have a good balance of speed and enough power.

Bravoboy10
5 years 6 months ago

No offense? I’m not saying they’re lethal but a core of Ichiro, Lopez, Gutierrez, Figgins is solid and if Bradley shuts up and plays he’ll produce. Wilson and Kotchman are nice complementary pieces. Griffey still has a little pop and Eric Byrnes has a slim shot of buncing back. Just because your not a line-up built to slug 180hrs doesn’t mean your bad. They have a good balance of speed and enough power.

bucs_lose_again
5 years 6 months ago

No one else finds it curious that the same exact response to bjsguess’ post is from two different handles?

Taskmaster75
5 years 6 months ago

I just read it and found it incredibly creepy.

Bravoboy10
5 years 6 months ago

No offense? I’m not saying they’re lethal but a core of Ichiro, Lopez, Gutierrez, Figgins is solid and if Bradley shuts up and plays he’ll produce. Wilson and Kotchman are nice complementary pieces. Griffey still has a little pop and Eric Byrnes has a slim shot of buncing back. Just because your not a line-up built to slug 180hrs doesn’t mean your bad. They have a good balance of speed and enough power.

rockiesfan_303
5 years 7 months ago

I think Wang would sign there but I dont think the M’s would do it because Wang is still hurt for so long and they have enough injury risk with Bradley/Byrnes already added to the team.

David
5 years 7 months ago

He wasn’t saying that Bryce Harper is ranked 10th best in their system. He was simply using it as an example that if they determine, after scouting him, that he’s 10th best, they’re not going to select him simply because other people say he’s the best. From the sounds of it, it appears that they haven’t really scouted him at all and don’t have any opinion on him.

humbb
5 years 7 months ago

You are absolutely right … this is really bad reporting by Kovacevic.Kovacevic: “General manager Neal Huntington made a striking pronouncement on the 2010 draft yesterday by telling the PirateFest crowd that Bryce Harper, …. is not currently among the Pirates’ top 10.”No he didn’t!Huntington: “We will scout Bryce Harper. But we’re not going to select him because somebody thinks he’s the best prospect in the history of the game and we think he’s the 10th-best.”Horrible.

humbb
5 years 6 months ago

Keith Law tweets the record straight:
“Neal Huntington did NOT say Bryce Harper was 10th on the #pirates’ draft board. He was speaking hypothetically about rankings.”

Nothing from Kovacevic yet, however. This is how really bad rumors start. Totally irresponsible journalism.

humbb
5 years 6 months ago

Keith Law tweets the record straight:
“Neal Huntington did NOT say Bryce Harper was 10th on the #pirates’ draft board. He was speaking hypothetically about rankings.”

Nothing from Kovacevic yet, however. This is how really bad rumors start. Totally irresponsible journalism.

0vercast
5 years 7 months ago

Well, that explains why the Twins didn’t throw in for Cabrera. I heard he may be willing to move to 2B.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I think Bryce Harper is #1. Deandre Smelting should be #2.

5 years 6 months ago

First off, it’s smelter not smelting. Second, there’s no way he #2, he’s not even top 10. That 6’7″ pitcher out of texas that throws straight gas (Taillon) is #2 in my opinion.

5 years 7 months ago

Wang would fit with the dodgers as the fifth starter, as of right now the dodgers sign him get him ready while Stults or McDonald fills in that role, Wang might be ready by May or June no need to push it just as long he stays heathy and come out strong

5 years 7 months ago

Harper 10th best?? And this is why the Pirates lost out on Sano and are a perrenial loser. The front office is retarded.

alxn
5 years 7 months ago

What do you know about Harper other than what you read in an SI article?

grtsm
5 years 6 months ago

According to the SI article, Harper is God!

And if baseball couldn’t even handle Herman Munster destroying their stadiums, how would they feel about God?

5 years 6 months ago

I agree with Aaron on this one. Every scouting report I have seen has Harper as the clear #1. Do you honestly think the PIRATES know something everyone else does not?!?

5 years 6 months ago

How old are those scouting reports? A lot of people got sucked into the Harper hype. Many at BA for example feel like he isn’t really the clear-cut #1 as people were making him out to be.

5 years 6 months ago

How old are those scouting reports? A lot of people got sucked into the Harper hype. Many at BA for example feel like he isn’t really the clear-cut #1 as people were making him out to be.

andyvanslyke
5 years 7 months ago

jason bay’d

5 years 6 months ago

If Omar had any brains, Wang would end up in Citifield. He’s a groundball pitcher, which, even with the Mets’s mediocre (at best) defense, will play well in a ballpark that already helps pitchers. The team desperately needs both starting pitching and to show that they’re actively trying to improve. Wang’s better than two, maybe four, of their current starters. And he’s a local hero; that couldn’t hurt in selling seats.

But Omar is focused on, what, John Smoltz? Feh.

mstrchef13
5 years 6 months ago

I really don’t think the Pirates think that Harper is the 10th best prospect in the draft. I think it’s much more likely that this was a random number that Huntington pulled out of his head as a “for instance”.

Ferrariman
5 years 6 months ago

maybe theo epstein will give Wang’s agent a call. He is coming off an injury, seems burnt out, wont project to have a lot of results. Goes nicely with the smoltz/penny signing of last year and the Cameron signing this year.

Ferrariman
5 years 6 months ago

maybe theo epstein will give Wang’s agent a call. He is coming off an injury, seems burnt out, wont project to have a lot of results. Goes nicely with the smoltz/penny signing of last year and the Cameron signing this year.

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

Reed Johnson as the 4th outfielder would be awesome, do it Ned!

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

Happy birthday, you got your wish.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

Happy birthday, you got your wish.

Guest
5 years 6 months ago

Reed Johnson as the 4th outfielder would be awesome, do it Ned!

LongTimeFanLongTimeFan
5 years 6 months ago

Harper was totally overmatched at the plate in the H.S. prospect all star game seen on national TV this past August. In his two AB’s that I saw, he had hard time even making contact. His swing and mechanics are way too elaborate, time consuming and long to to even catch up to good high school pitching. I think his value took a dive after that very unimpressive performance and if he doesn’t make adjustments at the plate, it seems to me he’s going to be blown away by good pitching.

Behind the plate, however, he has cannon for arm and quick release.

As far as Wang, he would be could signing for the Mets.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

Or that they don’t think he’s worth the ridiculous amount that people think he’ll demand…

Or that they just drafted a catcher in the first round last year…

Take your pick.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

You can’t trade players until a year after they’ve been drafted. By that time, Harper can prove to be on the track of a bust. And if you’re trying to trade him in 2011, other teams will pick it up that you’re shopping him and your leverage drops because they’ll see that there has to be a reason for it. And the Pirates can’t afford to spend money on a player that has that big of a risk.Why spend a boatload of cash to get Harper if you’re going to trade him anyways? Why not get a cheaper talent that has a high probability of being worth the money?

Macfan1
5 years 6 months ago

As a Yankee fan Wang was a solid pitcher for us, but even I must admit when it came to the big games he couldn’t hold a candle to CC Sabathia in the mental makeup of what you want in a #1 bonafide staff ace.

While I trust Sabathia to match up with Santana, Halladay, Lester, Hernandez, Lincecum I never had the same feeling about Wang.

Good pitcher but not a bulldog you could trust to go out there and shut down the other team. Put Wang in the place of Sabathia in the playoffs last season and the Yankees might have gone out again early, like they did with Wang as the #1.

No one knows what Wang is moving forward, this is the 3rd time shoulder issues have affected him. He had surgery in 2001, missed time in his rookie season in 2005 and then had surgery last season. That does not sound good at all for a pitcher.

5 years 6 months ago

To correct you: not a hero to SOME Mets fans. Some Mets fans appreciate him for what he is: a good pitcher, not an ace, who’s got plenty of local fans. He’s better than Oliver Perez on almost any day, and, until they prove they’re anywhere near what they were at their best, better than Maine and Pelfrey, assuming they and Wang are anywhere near the same level of health.

I’ll take Wang at Citi, thanks.

Civilization
5 years 6 months ago

How many teams would trade a haul of prospects for a single prospect? Yeah Harper’s got that really nice SI article, but he’s still a prospect in his own right… You’d have to ship him off to Dayton Moore or Omar to get maximum value for this type of trade.

And honestly I think this whole Bryce Harper being the 10th best player is on Ben. In the article it says he’s “not currently among” and Huntington admits to not scouting him yet. Ben words it as if they’ve already scouted him and have him at the 10th best.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

You’re not going to get a huge haul of prospects after he has a bad year, no matter if he has all the tools in the world. Hypothetically, if Heyward hits .200/.300/.350 in AAA next year, is he still an elite prospect that could net almost anybody in a trade? I doubt it.

It seems that you put too much weight in potential and not enough in results, and I’ll admit I’m guilty of doing it too every once in a while. I know minor league numbers don’t translate into major league success/failure, but at some point those numbers have to mean something, right? Especially Harper, who has been touted as an advanced talent, should tear up the minors. If he struggles, it tells teams that pitchers have exploited the hole in his swing.

Again, the Pirates don’t have the money to take a risk that big. And don’t bring up the Nats-Strasburg situation last year, because the Nats absolutely have the money to take a risk that big.

aap212
5 years 6 months ago

One bad year won’t ruin an elite high school catching prospect’s status? Tell that to Kyle Skipworth.

heavyhitter
5 years 6 months ago

Bedard has had more injuries than Wang.

heavyhitter
5 years 6 months ago

Bedard has had more injuries than Wang.

R_y_a_n
5 years 6 months ago

But the Mets shouldn’t be going after Wang because he was succesful as a Yankee. They should go after him because he was an above average pitcher in a tough division for two full-seasons, and good in his other partial seasons outside of 2009.

R_y_a_n
5 years 6 months ago

But the Mets shouldn’t be going after Wang because he was succesful as a Yankee. They should go after him because he was an above average pitcher in a tough division for two full-seasons, and good in his other partial seasons outside of 2009.

5 years 6 months ago

You don’t draft a prospect for the sole intention of flipping him the year after. Sorry. Plus you aren’t getting a huge haul of prospects back for a single one (unless that prospect it closer to the Bigs aka a Snider or Heyward, etc).

5 years 6 months ago

You don’t draft a prospect for the sole intention of flipping him the year after. Sorry. Plus you aren’t getting a huge haul of prospects back for a single one (unless that prospect it closer to the Bigs aka a Snider or Heyward, etc).

baseball52
5 years 6 months ago

Name some situations where one top prospect gets traded for multiple top prospects. Really. I’d like to see it.

baseball52
5 years 6 months ago

Name some situations where one top prospect gets traded for multiple top prospects. Really. I’d like to see it.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

While I would usually agree that the first year means nothing, I believe it should mean something for Harper because, like I said, his super-prospect status. A fair comparison for him would be a player on my favorite team: Justin Upton. They’re both so immensely talented and highly thought of that they are expected to put up good numbers from day one in the minors.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

While I would usually agree that the first year means nothing, I believe it should mean something for Harper because, like I said, his super-prospect status. A fair comparison for him would be a player on my favorite team: Justin Upton. They’re both so immensely talented and highly thought of that they are expected to put up good numbers from day one in the minors.

BaseballFan0707
5 years 6 months ago

The reason it hasn’t been done before is because that’s just bad for business.

No matter how much hype a player may have, he still needs to prove he can play baseball with the big boys. For every Gordon Beckham, you’ll have a Matt Bush, potentially.

It has and never will be done simply because GMs are aware of the break-or-bust potential of each and every prospect. Why take the risk of trading away a boatload of prospects for some super-hyped prospect only to see him not perform up to his ‘potential’, thus killing your team’s farm system and, possibly, future for a number of years? You could just as well wait for that player to make it to the big stage and perform for a few years, and then offer the boatload of prospects for him. Yeah, you might get shrugged off, but you don’t lose anything in the process.

You’re putting too much stock into the whole idea of a player’s potential. Fact is, when a GM is looking to acquire a player in a trade that would see him give up valuable youngsters, he wants a player that is proven, and not a player whose only accomplishment is having a whole bunch of potential.

BaseballFan0707
5 years 6 months ago

The reason it hasn’t been done before is because that’s just bad for business.

No matter how much hype a player may have, he still needs to prove he can play baseball with the big boys. For every Gordon Beckham, you’ll have a Matt Bush, potentially.

It has and never will be done simply because GMs are aware of the break-or-bust potential of each and every prospect. Why take the risk of trading away a boatload of prospects for some super-hyped prospect only to see him not perform up to his ‘potential’, thus killing your team’s farm system and, possibly, future for a number of years? You could just as well wait for that player to make it to the big stage and perform for a few years, and then offer the boatload of prospects for him. Yeah, you might get shrugged off, but you don’t lose anything in the process.

You’re putting too much stock into the whole idea of a player’s potential. Fact is, when a GM is looking to acquire a player in a trade that would see him give up valuable youngsters, he wants a player that is proven, and not a player whose only accomplishment is having a whole bunch of potential.

5 years 6 months ago

But it is a bad idea – hence why it hasn’t been done before. It would never happen anyways especially in this case so it’s a moot and pointless argument you’re making. But hey, if you want to continue to waste time – be my guest.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

But “one not so great year” will definitely hurt his super-prospect status. He sure as hell won’t be so valuable that he can get a huge haul of prospects in return.

I can’t think of any GM that will give up their farm for a struggling minor leaguer. Not even Dayton Moore.

jdub220
5 years 6 months ago

But “one not so great year” will definitely hurt his super-prospect status. He sure as hell won’t be so valuable that he can get a huge haul of prospects in return.

I can’t think of any GM that will give up their farm for a struggling minor leaguer. Not even Dayton Moore.

R_y_a_n
5 years 6 months ago

Then we agree on that, I think the Mets should sign over Bedard simply because Bedard has higher upside.

R_y_a_n
5 years 6 months ago

Then we agree on that, I think the Mets should sign over Bedard simply because Bedard has higher upside.

5 years 6 months ago

That’s true, he’s a good pitcher. But the fact that he has a built-in fan base in New York is certainly something the Mets can consider, after the disaster of an offseason they’ve had.

5 years 6 months ago

Please, give me a break. “Local hero” means what it sounds like: he’s popular in NYC. If you want to play semantic games over “hero”, we can talk about people who do meaningful things outside of baseball.

“Enemies” isn’t a term I’d bring to baseball fandom; I come from a time when that was used, and I prefer “rivals”. Even the may-they-never-again-win-a-game Red Sox and their so-called Nation are human beings. Except Curt Schilling, but every rule has its exceptions :-)