Orlando Hudson Rumors: Tuesday

3:00pm: MLB.com's Bill Ladson talked to Adam Kennedy, who said the Nationals "basically let us know that they are kind of waiting on Orlando."  Hudson earned about $7MM last year after incentives and seemingly isn't ready to accept the inevitable pay cut.  He's not coming off an injury this time, but it may be difficult to top last year's $3.38MM guarantee.

9:04am: The Mariners "remain a long shot candidate" to sign free agent second baseman Orlando Hudson, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.  Morosi admits that some roster maneuvering would be necessary to accomodate Hudson, as the Ms already have Jose Lopez at second and a full slate of position players.  I should add that whether Hudson is an upgrade over Lopez overall is an open question.

Morosi names the Nationals, Indians, and Twins as Hudson's other suitors.  We learned yesterday that the Twins are serious, while the Rockies are out. 


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50 Comments on "Orlando Hudson Rumors: Tuesday"


bobbybaseball
5 years 7 months ago

I wish the Cubs would consider him, though I doubt Hendry has any money left to spend. Going with Jeff Baker is a risky move, similar to last year when they went with a small sample size of success and determined that Mike Fontenot was their guy.

jhawk90
5 years 7 months ago

So the question is do the Twins spend more on the bigger name in Hudson, who lost his job last year, or take a chance on the resurgence of a 2-years-younger Felipe Lopez, whose greatest moments of career suck came as a Nat? As much as I like Hudson, plan B may be the better move.

WisBrave
5 years 7 months ago

I agree Felipe Lopez would be a great pickup by the Twins. He won’t cost any prospects and add some versatility. Although I think they also need to find a way to upgrade the rotation yet this off season if they want to claim the Central again.

rorad
5 years 7 months ago

Hudson isn’t going to cost a team any picks either.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

HUDSON FOR THE CUBS!

im ready to start a petition…

raffish
5 years 7 months ago

Plenty of M’s fans want Hudson over Jose Lopez, but I don’t see it. Focus on the #3 starting pitcher unless someone wants to trade for Lopez.

cubbies12
5 years 7 months ago

Out of all of the teams in the hunt, Hudson could not be a better fit for the cubs. Not only is he a left handed bat to balance out the right handed dominate lineup, but he brings gold glove caliber defense oh yea and he can steal bases. So, not only is he a left handed hitter with speed with great defense he can also lead off. I think he would bring alot to a club that has alot of question marks for me going into the season.

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

He doesn’t really steal bases all that much. Good stick and good defense though, for sure.

Can’t figure out why teams don’t keep him long term, and with LA last year was bumped for Belliard of all people.

Odd.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

Because his reputation exceeds his talent. I’m not saying I don’t want Hudson on the Twins; he’d be an upgrade over a Punto/Harris combo at 2B/3B… but the guy’s just not the elite player he’s made out to be.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

“Gold Glove defense,” unfortunately, does not always mean good defense. Also, Hudson doesn’t really steal bases. He’s registered double digit steals exactly once in his career– 10 in 2007.

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

Jose Lopez and his 25 Homers in Safeco could be a monster in Minnesota, and O Dog would fit in well with Seattle’s current style of ball.That’s a lot of moving parts, but seems like a win-win if decent value can come back in a Minnesota swap.I wonder what it would take to pull off that deal with Minnesota. Of course, Ms fans will say Francisco Liriano, but I’m a little bit more realistic than that. Anyone on the Minnesota side have a guess?Would Lopez/ Jason Vargas for Liriano do it, or would you surmise more of a Lopez/ Michael Saunders type deal?

Or is Liriano a Twin with no prospect of moving?

Drew
5 years 7 months ago

With the pre-season hype that Liriano is getting, I don’t think the Twins could move him without giving him “One Last Chance” to become his old self. Unless, of course, all the hype is being generated artificially to inflate his value. :)

The Twins do have a surplus of young pitching talent, however. I’m just not certain they’re willing to break the old rule of “don’t trade young arms.”

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

I like the philosophy of holding on to young pitching. It was kind of sad to see him so awful last year, because pre-injury he looked like a Lefty Felix. Some of the most exciting games I watched in 2008 (granted, 2008 sucked for Ms fans), were the Felix/Liriano matchups.

not_brooks
5 years 7 months ago

Felix and Liriano never faced each other in 2008.

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

I stand corrected. I meant 06

connorburke
5 years 7 months ago

lopez for cassila/perkins

rsrobinson
5 years 7 months ago

Jose Lopez’s undisciplined approach at the plate and mediocre glovework doesn’t really fit in with what Jack Z is trying to build in Seattle but I doubt he’ll be moved this year. The M’s are hoping that Dustin Ackley will be ready to take over at 2B in 2011 so Lopez will probably stay where he is for now.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

im starting to think ackley won’t be a second baseman for long. it sounds like they see him as more of a first baseman or corner outfielder. at least i think that’s what they said on ‘mlb network’s top 50 prospects’ and some other sources (if i remember correctly).

either way, i agree that lopez will be the 2b for the near future. figgins, wilson and kotchman are all very good defensively and lopez has some pop that they really need in the lineup. if they got hudson or felipe lopez in addition to ichiro, figgins and wilson, they would have so many 1,2 type of hitters. possible lineup with hudson:

1. ichiro rf
2. figgins 3b
3. gutierrez cf
4. bradley lf
5. griffey jr. dh
6. hudson 2b
7. kotchman 1b
8. wilson ss
9. moore c

with how great the infield defense is right now, i think keeping lopez for his power potential is more important.

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

All that I’ve read states the opposite regarding Ackley. At first they were cautious and saying that the Ackley to 2B move is just an expiriment, but lately it sounds like he’s going full speed ahead at second.

If he’s strong defensively to start the year, his bat is ready for the bigs. He’ll be fast-tracked and Lopez will become very expendable.

5 years 7 months ago

I think Lopez is better suited for the 6 spot in the lineup because of his 20hr or so power, if thats where he will be batting that is, Hudson is more of a 2 spot hitter in my opinion…defensively they are about the same and Lopez is a lot younger if he has a big year they can trade him next offseason and call up Ackley…no point in signing Hudson, I would rather see the Twins or Nationals sign him.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

oh i definitely agree that hudson is a two hitter, i just dont think he would hit there in seattle because of ichiro and figgins. and if lopez were in the lineup above i would have him in the five spot and griffey in the six spot. i was just trying to figure out where hudson would bat in seattle’s lineup.

any other ideas where he would fit in their batting order?

gson
5 years 7 months ago

John Paul Morosi naming the Indians as being in on Hudson makes as much sense as the Twins trading Francisco Liriano for Jose Lopez.. none..

Bernaldo
5 years 7 months ago

If (and that is a BIG if in my opinion) the Twins were to trade for Lopez, there is absolutely no chance that Liriano goes to Seattle. Next to the Mauer negotiations, it was pretty clear at TwinsFest this past weekend that the reports they are getting on Liriano’s performance in Venezuela are so good, there’s no chance they deal him. If the Mariners want starting pitching back, the Twins would probably offer Perkins off the major leaguer roster or an A or AA ball medium prospect in return. I suspect that the Twins have a dollar figure out there and if any of the free agent infielders they like accept it, they get signed. The Twins are not going to offer Hudson anything near what he is asking so if the money is most important, he’ll take the Washington offer. I’d guess the Twins offer to Hudson would be one year at $2.5 million or so guaranteed with some incentives tossed in. Only with some MLBTR posters and in Hudson’s mind is he considered an elite player. Major league teams don’t leave high value free agents to wind up the February bargain bin.

TwinsVet
5 years 7 months ago

I’ve always gotten the impression that fans over-value Hudson. And this off-season, I’ve increasingly gotten the impression he over-values himself as well…

minnesotawins
5 years 7 months ago

well if the twins offer is in the area of the indians and nationals, is it even a contest? why would you pick those two over a real chance to compete? he’d be batting 2nd in front of mauer, morneau, and kubel, let alone batting after on-base machine span. do i dare even type the names of the players on the other teams?

5 years 7 months ago

Dont underestimate the nationals this year…they will be a sneaky team and should be taken seriously unlike previous years, they probably had their best offseason since moving to DC.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

The Nats are improving, sure, but playoff talk at this point is just unrealistic. Best case scenario would be a third-place finish within their own division. When Jason Marquis and John Lannan are your two most reliable starters (and I’m not counting Strasburg yet), that doesn’t bode well. Marquis and Lannan are serviceable, but they’re #4, maybe #3 starters in a good year.

jhawk90
5 years 7 months ago

“Orlando Hudson, paging Mr. Orlando Hudson. Reality is on line 1 for you”.

Guest
5 years 7 months ago

I think getting benched cost Hudson a million dollars. So I would guess Hudson’s saying to hell with a incentive based contract..

osfan3000
5 years 7 months ago

As much as i would really like Hudson on the nationals. i actually wouldnt mind adamn kennedy as a place holder. If Hudson signs else where that is.

connorburke
5 years 7 months ago

Twins should either grab felipe lopez right now on the cheap or sign hudson to a 1yr/team option

bustercherrie
5 years 7 months ago

I like Hudson don’t get me wrong. But I personally think that the M’s trying to move Lopez is bull. I really don’t buy it for some reason. Lopez has two plus defenders on either side of him now unlike in years past. I think a lot of the negative that was attributed to Lopez was he had to deal with Branyan for example playing first, and Betancourt playing shortstop. Both of them, quite frankly, sucked playing defense. I think this year you will see a much better defense. Lopez’s bat isn’t all its cracked up to be, I think if he played in a park with a shorter left field he would be a 30+ home run dude.

But back to defense, I don’t think he will be as bad as he has been in the past. There will be a lot less pressure on him to cover as much ground with Wilson at short and Kotchman at 1st. I think he will never be above average defensively, but will he be killing the team this year I doubt it. Also, I cant remember where I saw it, but Lopez actually put up a positive if not decent UZR when Wilson started playing shortstop for the M’s. I think any team that does pick him up will be more than satisfied with the results if they carry other good defenders.

But is he worth Liriano, I don’t think straight up. And honestly, I don’t think I want Liriano personally right now. I just don’t know if he will ever be the same. And if we’re giving up Lopez plus prospect(s) for what Brandon Morrow could have possibly done, I’m not interested. I hope the reports are true that Liriano is turning around. I’d still like to see what he can do against real MLB talent though. The Dominican Winter League is one thing, but facing real MLB teams every start is another.

bustercherrie
5 years 7 months ago

I don’t mean Branyan was absolute garbage at first either. I just mean, that he is never going to win a gold glove at first. He is paid because of his home run power not catching everything hit in the same zip code as him…

Ferrariman
5 years 7 months ago

He might win a gold glove if his offensive is good enough *.^. No that wasn’t a type-o.. GG means nothing

coldog
5 years 7 months ago

if we get hudson for the twins take a sneek peek at the numbers from our team last year and my predictions for this year for pitching and hitting

starting lineup
CF Denard Span 2009/.312 avg/10 HR/63 RBI pred. 2010/.315 avg/11 HR/71 RBI
2B O-Dawg 2009/.283 avg/9 HR/61 RBI pred. 2010/.291 avg/8 HR/67 RBI
C Joe Mauer 2009/.365 avg/28 HR/108???/ pred. 2010 370 .avg/40 HR/125RBI
1B Justin Morneau 2009/ .283 avg/30 HR/100RBI?? pred. .308 avg/49 HR/ 131 RBI
LF Jason Kubel 2009/.303?avg i think?/28 HR/105 RBI/ pred.2010/.305 avg/30 HR/102 RBI
RF Micheal Cuddyer 2009/ .283avg/33 homers/11o RBI/ pred. 2010 .275 avg/31 HR/98RBI
DH Jim Thome 2009/ .244avg/25 HR/???RBI/ pred. .233 avg/19 HR/68 RBI
SS J.J. Hardy 2009/ .201 avg/11 HR/???RBI/ pred. .267 avg/18 HR/ 71 RBI
3B Brendan Harris 2009/ .268 avg/10 HR/68 RBI/ pred. .256 avg/13 HR/62 RBI
2B Nick Punto 2009/ .287 avg/ 1 HR/45 RBI/ pred. .266 avg/0 HR/33 RBI

NOT BAD :) but we have to get hudson or its not that good its just okayy

Drew
5 years 7 months ago

Interesting scenario. I wonder if that would put them in a stronger or weaker bargaining position. If they sign Hudson, they could call the Twins up and say, “We’ve got two top second basemen now. Wanna talk deal?” With Felipe Lopez still on the market, though, they could be left holding the bag if the Twins decide to go elsewhere.

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

admitting an overflow doesn’t quite give you bargaining power… then the twins are left saying “well you pretty much HAVE to trade one of them…”

Drew
5 years 7 months ago

Then again, you could call their surplus “holding all the cards.” Especially if Felipe signs elsewhere in the meantime. If the Twins decided they HAD to upgrade 2B, they’d HAVE to work with them. That being said, I think the Twins would have the upper hand since they’ve explicitly stated that they’d be satisfied going into the season with their in-house options.

I don’t think this would be a good strategy for the M’s, but I can’t honestly think of another reason to sign a second second baseman…

rootman1010
5 years 7 months ago

very good point… i didn’t think about it that way. it’s always nice when there’s a comment that has some kind of logic behind it 😉

as a twins fan, who would you like to see starting at 2b on opening day? orlando hudson, felipe lopez, jose lopez, alexi casilla, brendan harris, nick punto? jose lopez would sure add to a lineup that has tons of left-handed power in mauer, morneau, kubel, thome…

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

Jose Lopez’s complete lack of plate discipline and inability to draw a walk isn’t really appealing. The 25 home run power is nice, but I’d rather see someone who can slot into the two-hole a little better than a Delmon Young clone at 2B (albeit, a DY clone who has actually managed to hit HRs, unlike DY)…

Drew
5 years 7 months ago

I’m actually torn on this.

I like Felipe Lopez’s OBP numbers, and think he’d be a great #2 hitter. That being said, the rumor mill is that he’s a bit of a prima donna and not a great clubhouse presence. And of all the teams in the league, the Twins rely on good clubhouse karma.

I like Orlando Hudson’s supposed consistency. Our core of Span, Mauer, Morneau, Kubel, Cuddyer are the guys who we will either live or die by. All our 2B needs to do is not be a gaping hole in the lineup. Hudson is good not great, but will play + defense and be a legitimate batting threat. Although I’m not excited about what he may cost.

Jose Lopez would be nice. I LOVE the fact that he’s a right handed power bat. With the exception of Cuddyer, we just don’t have that. Plate discipline, yea, that worries me a bit. But I’m more concerned about what we’d have to give up to get him. In an ideal world, shipping off Perkins (young, good, but disgruntled (with the Twins) and surplus pitcher) +someone else would be nice. If the early reports on Liriano weren’t so good, I’d say “MAKE THIS TRADE NOW!” but the good news coming out of the Dominican makes me hesitate.

Harris is a 3B. Not really in the mix for 2B. I would LOVE for Casilla to step into the 2B role and fill this thing internally, to be honest. But he’d have to do it EFFECTIVELY. His plate discipline has been poor in his first couple years and like I said above, we just can’t have a gaping hole in our lineup. I wouldn’t be opposed to giving him a chance to get his numbers up to where they need to be.

If I had to pick a place for Punto to play it’d be 3B. He’s a + defender there, while only average at 2B. The guy’s gonna play no matter what (Gardy loves him) so it might as well be at his best position.

TwinsTapir
5 years 7 months ago

Personally, I see the two free agents as pretty much equivalent, with Jose Lopez slightly behind but still better than Casilla/Punto. My preference would probably be to sneak in and sign Felipe Lopez while everyone else is focused on Hudson.

The main problem with Jose Lopez is that at the plate he’s basically JJ Hardy, and we’ve already got one. For once the Twins don’t really need power as much as they need other skills.

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

In fairness to J Lopez, he’s improved every year he’s played in the bigs. Despite his knack for fouling off 12 straight balls, he doesn’t strike out much.

There’s certainly room for improvement in OBP, but he’s not by any means a Delmon Young clone. He’s relatively young too.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

The “Delmon Young clone” was in reference to his abysmal plate discipline. His walk rate has never risen about the 4% mark, and his career-high in OBP is .322. He’s also basically been a completely average defender at second base.

I’d rather see someone who can take a walk and run a bit playing at second base for the Twins, even if it means sacrificing some home runs. Hudson’s glove may not be elite anymore, and he’ll hit fewer HRs, but the Twins have enough power in the lineup as is. I’d take 10 HRs from Hudson and consistently quality at-bats, an extra 50ish OBP points, and decent speed from him in the two-hole over an additional 15 home runs from Lopez.

If the Twins were to acquire Lopez, I’d potentially be happy (depending on what we gave up) and call it an improvement. If Liriano’s name is still being thrown around in your scenario though, it’s a no-brainer to go for Hudson or Felipe.

tjspring
5 years 7 months ago

I’m not by any means proposing a Liriano for Lopez deal. My scenario w/r/t Lopez- Liriano was thrown out there to get a feel for what exactly it would take, in addition to Lopez, to make a Liriano deal even worth debate.

That said, I can’t disagree with your thoughts on Lopez’ and his walk rate, however, Lopez has trended upwards in power numbers, and downward in strike out numbers his entire career, and is a good 6 years younger than Hudson.

Regarding defense and speed, O-dawg’s speed has always been overrated, never a big base stealer, and is at best a push with Lopez. I’d be out of my league if I tried to debate defensive statistics with you, but based on UZR, Hudson’s trending in the wrong direction from zero, and Lopez is slightly above average (or at least not below average).

As such, it wouldn’t be an attrocious move to talk Lopez+ (insert name) for Liriano, depending on the name and basing the decision on speculation of some improvement during his next four years.

TwinsVet
5 years 7 months ago

Somehow people forget Liriano was the losingest pitcher in MLB last year, and has been completely miserable for 3 years.

Amazing how a 12-3 rookie start four years ago can skew people’s impressions, optimism, and hope for a player.

I say ship off Liriano while he still retains any illusions of serviceability. He has neither the stamina, attitude, or work ethic to pitch in Minnesota.

minnesotawins
5 years 7 months ago

compared to mauer and morneau (and then kubel)? and having a real chance at actually winning? not even close…

5 years 7 months ago

Pretty unfortunate about Liriano’s injuries when they traded Santana a few years ago, Liriano looked like he would have replaced him as the ace…he had really good stuff before the injuries.

$1529282
5 years 7 months ago

As stated, hitting in front of Zimmerman, Dunn, and Willingham isn’t so terrible. But I see your point.

One thing to consider, if he signs a one-year deal with a non-contender and plays well, he’s likely to be flipped to a contender at the deadline anyway. Veterans on one-year deals or in their contract seasons are often flipped at the deadline. Look at Orlando Cabrera, Jon Garland, Matt Holliday, Carl Pavano, Jerry Hairston, Eric Hinske, Vicente Padilla, Rafael Betancourt, Joe Beimel, etc. etc. last season.

Granted, it’s probably a better bet to just sign with the team who’s likely to contend in the first place, and I don’t get Hudson’s alleged interest in the Nationals, but it’s not like he’s sentencing himself to a division cellar for a season regardless of where he signs.

connorburke
5 years 7 months ago

how about perkins and casilla for lopez???? pretty good for both sides