Odds & Ends: Ripken, Angels, Athletics, Lewis

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AmericanMovieFan
5 years 4 months ago

Suzuki is worth more than double what Anderson was guaranteed, at least IMO.

2011:$3MM 2012:$5MM 2013:$8MM 2014:$11MM with a $1MM signing bonus and vesting options for 2015: $11MM and 2016: $13MM.

Total guaranteed: $28MM over 4 years; Total potential earnings: $52MM over 6 years.

5 years 4 months ago

How do you figure? Anderson is becoming an elite starting pitcher, whereas Suzuki showed terrible OB skills in 2009. The two aren’t comparable, with Anderson on top.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

You don’t always become an elite starting pitcher after 1 good season. Ask Rick Ankiel, Dontrelle Willis, etc.

Although Suzuki had a low OBP last season, his OPS went up from 2008 and he scored 20 more runs than in 2008.

5 years 4 months ago

“More runs scored” just means that the player hitting behind him happen to get a hit, enabling Suzuki to score. If anything, having a higher OB gives a player more opportunities to score since a player can only score if they’re on base.

In Ankiel’s one good season as a pitcher, he never had the control Anderson displayed in 2009. As for Willis, he arguably had three elite seasons from 2003 to 2005, so he was hardly a one-year wonder.

Before 2009, Anderson was considered one of the best pitching prospects in baseball. Granted, it will take a good sophomore season to seal his status as an elite pitcher, but I think given his ability to throw strikes, limit walks, and his high ceiling for K’s, the A’s new contract is perfectly justified.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

I agree that it is irrelevant how many runs he scored if his OBP was lower, I just cited it because it’s pretty. Put Adam Dunn/Adrian Gonzalez/etc. in the cleanup spot for the Phillies and put Ryan Howard in the cleanup spot for the Nats/Padres/etc. and lets see how many RBI’s Howard gets. ESPN loves to praise Ryan Howard for his RBI’s.

But beyond that, I think Brett Anderson will be a fine pitcher but I don’t know about elite. He should be able to handle being the ace of the A’s. But when I think of elite I think Greinke, Verlander, Halladay, Lincecum, Hernandez, Sabathia, etc.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

I agree that it is irrelevant how many runs he scored if his OBP was lower, I just cited it because it’s pretty. Put Adam Dunn/Adrian Gonzalez/etc. in the cleanup spot for the Phillies and put Ryan Howard in the cleanup spot for the Nats/Padres/etc. and lets see how many RBI’s Howard gets. ESPN loves to praise Ryan Howard for his RBI’s.

But beyond that, I think Brett Anderson will be a fine pitcher but I don’t know about elite. He should be able to handle being the ace of the A’s. But when I think of elite I think Greinke, Verlander, Halladay, Lincecum, Hernandez, Sabathia, etc.

Suzysman
5 years 4 months ago

“You don’t always become an elite starting pitcher after 1 good season. Ask… Dontrelle Willis”

After which of his 4 such seasons should we ask him? Maybe after his first where he was ROY, or after his 3rd when he was 2nd for the CY?

Willis was elite from 03-06 and didnt even completely fall off in 07. He never had fantastic rates, but between his GB tendencies stuff and extreme delivery he made it extremely difficult for hitters to put together back to back hits in order to actually score runs.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

Believe me I wish Willis was an elite pitcher, I’m a Tigers fan. He put together a few elite seasons but his career lacks consistency as of late, which is more what I meant.

Suzysman
5 years 4 months ago

okay, can understand that. Just people tend to look at today and forget how special he was for 5 seasons so… Of course, I cant, he should have been on the Cubs for those years :( But knowing us, we will probably sign the new nut-case Willis that cant keep his head in check long enough to get 6 outs.

Suzysman
5 years 4 months ago

okay, can understand that. Just people tend to look at today and forget how special he was for 5 seasons so… Of course, I cant, he should have been on the Cubs for those years :( But knowing us, we will probably sign the new nut-case Willis that cant keep his head in check long enough to get 6 outs.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

Believe me I wish Willis was an elite pitcher, I’m a Tigers fan. He put together a few elite seasons but his career lacks consistency as of late, which is more what I meant.

Suzysman
5 years 4 months ago

“Total guaranteed: $28MM over 4 years”

That would give him the third highest AAV among catchers, behind only Mauer and Posada, to a player not even in arbitration yet…

“Total potential earnings: $52MM over 6 years.”

That (8.7 MM AAV) is more then the Twins gave Mauer (8.25 MM) to cover his arbitration seasons, where Mauer had hit .321/.399/.471/.870 leading up to that deal, Suzuki has provided a .270/.328/.396/.724.

As far as what is actually realistic, I would say something around this deal
1.5 MM, 4.75 MM, 5.75 MM, 6.75 Option, 1.5 Bonus which could be added in

That 3/14.25 – 4/21 contract was given prior to 2009 to cover 3 Arb and possibly 1 FA to Chris Snyder who had provided a near identical line of .238/.332/.404/.737 in 1480 PA

Ironically, the DBacks have since tried to trade that deal but have apparently been told its too much money committed by a couple teams.

joshamaral
5 years 4 months ago

“Angelos, however, was reluctant to create any perception that MacPhail was not fully in control, a source said.”

and he avoided this by pulling rank on MacPhail…

switchhitingjesus
5 years 4 months ago

More and more I really begin to hate Angelos.

ba9oriole
5 years 4 months ago

That Ripken article REALLY made my blood boil.

Triteon
5 years 4 months ago

Ripken has nothing to offer younger players today, other than a sense of loyalty, sportsmanship, hard work and the wisdom of a Hall of Fame player. True ambassadors of the game should frequently be pushed out of the sport.

It’s good to see that at least part of the old Browns’ unofficial slogan is still in effect” First in booze, first in shoes, last in the American League.

5 years 4 months ago

Deunte Heath is an idiot.

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

“Bobby Valentine said on Sirius XM Radio that coaching the Mets isn’t something he’s considering”

I wouldn’t put much weight in this. Only a moron like Gary Carter campaigns for a job that isn’t open.

5 years 4 months ago

I really, really hope the Mets pull Napoli from the Angels. The guy is a heck of a hitter, and is being incorrectly used by Mike Scioscia. Napoli has some experience at 1B (in the minors), so maybe he could play some 1B when not catching to help fill that awful void.

TimotheusATL
5 years 4 months ago

Angelos is really taking bold steps to put himself out there nationwide as one of the more idiotic owners — of any franchise — on the planet. Yeesh.

gwells
5 years 4 months ago

angelos is a complete moron.