Offseason Questions For The AL West

With all the offseason reviews completed, we're asking a few questions of every team.  The AL West is on the hot seat this time.


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43 Comments on "Offseason Questions For The AL West"


halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

The first question is ridiculous. Bobby Abreu proved his worth last year first of all, both what he did on the field and off (Figgins, Aybar, Izturiz, Napoli and now hopefully Wood all benefit from Abreu’s philosophy). Second, Pineiro is not there to replace Lackey. He is there to replace Palmer/O’Sullivan/Ortega/Bell or whoever was thrown into the fifth spot. The question is can Santana, Kazmir or Weaver replace John Lackey. Come on now man.

BentoBox
5 years 3 months ago

The Angels don’t need Pineiro to replace Lackey. Pineiro is their 5th starter. Weaver, Kazmir, Santana, Saunders and Pineiro. Pretty solid rotation .

5 years 3 months ago

Are we tired of explaining that to people yet? I hope Piniero actually does have a better year than Lackey so we can cram it in all these people’s faces.

fitz
5 years 3 months ago

This might actually happen… if Lackey’s arm falls off his body.

WasianCU
5 years 3 months ago

Or if Lackey keeps his arm and they just pitch the same as last season…..

Lackey: 176.1 IP, 3.83 ERA, 11-8, 139 K, 1.27 Whip, 47 BB, 75, ER
Pineiro: 214.0 IP, 3.49 ERA, 15-12, 105 K, 1.14 Whip, 27 BB, 83 ER.

MarinerFanSince1979woot
5 years 3 months ago

Pretty solid rotation? I think not. Weaver (apparently their Ace) only won 16 games last year. Santana and Saunders and Piniero are health risks and Kazmir still has to re-prove himself after having a down year the last couple of years. Don’t tell me that the Angels have a pretty solid rotation.

ryankrol
5 years 3 months ago

I think the only way this debate will be solved is to look back in October. 15-12 and 11-8 makes no difference. But Lackey is healthy now. Piniero has to prove he can repeat 2009. But then again, the Angels had 3/5 of their rotation out to start 2009, 2 of the 3 came back, and the rotation ended up being one of the best at full strength in August and September; Lackey wasn’t was probably the least consistent during that stretch. And they won 97 games…

Sinatrasratack
5 years 3 months ago

Pinero is not replacing Lackey, Pinero is replacing the career minor leaguers that kept rolling through the #5 spots all year long because of injuries and the death of Nick Adenhart, Kazmir is almost like an offseason move. He was a great pitcher since the trading deadline and it is him that the Angels are asking to replace Lackey—as other have stated… Also loosing Figgins isn’t a huge loss, he had a career year and got paid for it and good for him, however speed starts to slip as you get older.

Guest
5 years 3 months ago

The M’s are totally wasting Figgy’s value by putting him at 2nd.

I mean if Lopez can become a semi average defender at 3rd, I suppose it will work out.

derail76
5 years 3 months ago

but Figgins dosent have the Power to play 3rd either. Even if Figgins plays perfect defense, he still isnt a prototypical 3rd baseman. Neither is Lopez. Everybody keeps saying the Mariners are so much better this year, they are, but they arent good enough to beat the Angels or even the Rangers, in my opinion.

ryankrol
5 years 3 months ago

What is prototypical 3rd baseman? In fact, what’s the difference? Who cares? The Angels won 97 games with Figgins there. And 3B is as shallow as its been in years. It just happened to be a power position, for the most part, since the 1950s. Whether any position is a power position is relative to trends. As long as your offense gets enough run production, it doesn’t matter what position the power comes from. Are we going to move Ian Kinsler from 2B now?

derail76
5 years 3 months ago

The Angels had better options for the MI thna Figgins, so Figgins had no other place to play. 3rd base has been a hole since Glaus left. The Angels didnt win with Figgins there, they won despite Figgins being there. Brandon Wood fits the “prototype” much more if he hits like advertised.If a “trend” lasts 50+ years, it becomes the norm. The great thing about Kinsler is the fact that he is putting up those numbers from 2nd. Its what made guys like Jeff Kent so valuable. Besides, why would you have Kinsler play third when you have Michael Young?

Sinatrasratack
5 years 3 months ago

The Harden move in Texas can be the move of the year… high upside and didn’t have to commit a lot and he has something to prove. We could look back at the end of the season and say that was the best move.
Also if Texas is out of it he would be a great trade bait to a contending team, smart of Texas

WasianCU
5 years 3 months ago

I agree that at the end of the season this could look like a great signing, either from the season he has or his trade value midway. Of course spring training stats don’t really mean much, but if his 8.87 ERA this spring continues on through the season then the 7.5 million guaranteed could hurt but probably was worth the risk for his upside.

BentoBox
5 years 3 months ago

Couple more questions for the Angels :
*Will Brandon Wood finally live up to his potential ?
*Will Scioscia play Mike Napoli everyday ?
Plus, its going to be interesting how the Mariners will play this year.

MarinerFanSince1979woot
5 years 3 months ago

I agree. I won’t count the M’s in as winning it all yet as they still need to prove that heavy defense and limited offense will work, and we need Rowland-Smith, Snell, Fister, Vargas, or Bedard or all five to step up and make a solid move with their consistency and dominance.

But I am liking what I see so far.

Guest
5 years 3 months ago

Napoli isn’t going to play everyday.

MarinerFanSince1979woot
5 years 3 months ago

I agree. I won’t count the M’s in as winning it all yet as they still need to prove that heavy defense and limited offense will work, and we need Rowland-Smith, Snell, Fister, Vargas, or Bedard or all five to step up and make a solid move with their consistency and dominance.

But I am liking what I see so far.

derail76
5 years 3 months ago

Napoli wont play everyday.. ever heard of Jeff Mathis?

MarinerFanSince1979woot
5 years 3 months ago

I agree. I won’t count the M’s in as winning it all yet as they still need to prove that heavy defense and limited offense will work, and we need Rowland-Smith, Snell, Fister, Vargas, or Bedard or all five to step up and make a solid move with their consistency and dominance.

But I am liking what I see so far.

johnnynewguy
5 years 3 months ago

How about you guys correct the column itself by stating that Adrian Beltre didn’t play with the A’s last year but the Mariners? You guys should correct that.

BentoBox
5 years 3 months ago

No, no. I don’t think thats what Tim meant. The A’s were serious bidders on both Beltre and Scutaro though they missed out on both. I think thats what Tim meant.

MackNorth
5 years 3 months ago

What they meant by that is the A’s missed out on signing both Scutaro and Beltre to the Red Sox, as both players were rumored to sign with Oakland at one point over the offseason

johnnynewguy
5 years 3 months ago

How about you guys correct the problem in the column itself by pointing out that Adrian Beltre didn’t play for the A’s last year but the Mariners. That should be fixed.

kbrown2225
5 years 3 months ago

Q-Did the Angels overpay Bobby Abreu?
A-HELL NO! Abreu has proved his worth time and time again. The man is a great player and earns every dollar he makes. .300 career batting average, .400 career OBP, over 100 RBI’s year after year, nearly 100 runs scored every year, in the top of the league in walks, can steal bases with the best of them, works counts better than anybody in baseball, can still hit 15-20 Homers a season, still got a cannon for a right arm….When are you folks going to stop undersetimating Bobby Abreu?

bjsguess
5 years 3 months ago

Answers:

Angels – They absolutely overpaid on both Rodney and Abreu. Enough to really worry about? Not really. 2/$18 for Abreu isn’t much of an overpay considering that Damon got 1/$8. I would say in both deals they spent about $1-$2m more per year than they needed to. On a $110m payroll that’s really insignificant. As for Lackey – the better question is whether the 2010 rotation will be better than the 2009 rotation was. A full year of Kazmir could easily be as good as Lackey was in 09. Pineiro will most certainly be better than O’Sullivan, Palmer, Ortega was last year. Santana is healthy. I see no reason why the rotation will be worse in 2010.

A’s: The Dutch signing was solid. Crisp – not so much. Sheets is either going to look genius or stupid depending on his health. I’m leaning towards stupid. Can’t believe he scored $10m. The plan B’s will not be nearly as good as the plan A’s. They also don’t cost draft picks or gobs of money. I don’t see the A’s contending so these plan B moves are actually pretty smart.

M’s: Could have done much better than Kotchman and Griffey (although I don’t get the feeling that the M’s were working off a tight budget as is). They sold low on Morrow. They also needed to add a bat to their lineup. Bradley could be that guy – most likely he isn’t. The M’s are going to miss Branyan’s HR capabilities. There isn’t a single guy in that lineup that would worry me as an opposing pitcher. That said, their defense should be spectacular and Lee/Hernandez is pretty darn solid 1/2.

Rangers: Will ultimately be disappointed in Guerrero. He is toast. 120 games max with an OPS around 800. Not awful but definitely not what you expect when talking about Vlad. Lewis is a wildcard. Anything you get out of him should be viewed as a positive.Harden – who knows. Big time risk. With how good the Rangers were I’m surprised they didn’t target safer moves. Adding another 5-7 wins (combined) through safe transactions seems like the better play than signing a group of guys who might add 1-2 wins or 7-10 wins. Too much risk for me.

crashcameron
5 years 3 months ago

“There isn’t a single guy in that lineup that would worry me as an opposing pitcher.”

one word for you: ICHIRO!!!!!!!

uh, i’m guessing that since he’s a relative newcomer, coming over from the Japanese league without a lot of hype and all that, maybe you hadn’t heard of him

derail76
5 years 3 months ago

Ichiro, Bradley, Figgins… um, uh, they have Cliff Lee? Oh, hes hurt? They have Erik Bedard.. oh he wont be back till the AS break. They have King Felix!! And its a good thing, because 2 lead off men, and no power means a 3rd place finish in the division.

jshepcomm
5 years 3 months ago

Slight correction. They gained Kazmir and Pineiro.

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

this is dead wrong. “when you lose one thing and put another in its place, that is called replacing.” right. so lackey was the ace, and now weaver is. therefore, weaver replaces lackey. do you understand that extremely simply concept yet? stick to the mets brah.

crashcameron
5 years 3 months ago

something to chew on between sips of your Angels-red (i.e. dark pink) koolaid:
so Piniero (who looks good, by the way) isn’t “replacing” Lackey at No. 1, but the Palmers, etc. in the 5-slot. fine then. that works in terms of ability, expectations, stat-line, etc. But how about in salary?
i’m not sure if it’s a great position to be in when a team can’t/won’t sign to replace higher elite talent, but have to spend x-amounts to replace the replaceables

derail76
5 years 3 months ago

Is Piniero replacing the Ace John Lackey from 2007? Absolutely not. Is he replacing the real John Lackey, the guy who had an ERA which every year gets closer to 4, while his K numbers continue to plummet? Is he replacing the guy that won 19 games, or the one that hasnt won more than 12 the last 2 years. Is he replacing the guy that threw 200+ innings, 3 years in a row? The guy that had over 30 starts 5 yrs in a row? Is Lackey being paid to recreate those numbers, or is he being paid for yet another year of declining numbers, in whats now a hitters park, and a hitters division? So no, the Lackey we used to know, cant be replaced by a one year wonder in Piniero. But the Lackey we know now, compared to the Piniero, who seems to have really turned a page in his career after learning the sinker… yeah I not only think he can, but I think he will make Reagins look like a genius in the process.

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

We’re not dealing with a chair. we are dealing with a fluid pitching rotation, where ability comes into play. Not where the ace is the same as the bottom, like in a chair all the nails are the same. so your analogy is way off. There is not a “best nail” in the chair. If there was, and it fell out, you would move the next best nail into that spot (assuming the best nail has a purpose, like an ace in a pitching staff). The question is asking who will replace what Lackey was to the halos. Look at is as “Who will replace Lackey as the ace?”. The answer is not Pineiro nor was it ever supposed to be. The Angels needed a fifth spot starter and they got Pineiro for that job and nothing else. They still need the ace to be replaced. Weaver, Santana, or Kazmir are the contenders to replace what lackey was to the angels.

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

if the question was supposed to be taken like you are, then the answer is – just fine. pineiro has already physically filled the vacancy (or the new nail has been put in the chair or whatever the hell you were talked about). yes, lackey left and pineiro was added. but who gives a shit. pretty much every team “replaced someone” then. that is by no means a controversy. the question is can pineiro replace what lackey brought to the table (excuse the pun). which, again, was never the purpose of the pineiro signing.

derail76
5 years 3 months ago

wrong button. Yes, if you are looking at it as Piniero taking Lackeys spot on the roster, sure. You are correct. Who cares though? Before it seemed that you were trying to compare them by stats. It seemed that you were trying to say that Lackey was the better pitcher than Piniero, therefore saying the Angels werent as good a team with Piniero than with Lackey.

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

look man. an internet pissing match wasnt on my to do list today. i understand the chair is a metaphor but it is weak. a good metaphor would be a boss in an organization. the boss leaves, so they need a new boss. they can either hire from within or hire from outside the org. if you go the inside org route (like the angels), then the new hire to replace the dude that got the promotion is not automatically considered the boss. you wouldnt say the new hire is “replacing the boss” at all and you wouldnt even compare them. but the dude that got the promotion? he is the guy to compare to the boss. simple man.

“All the other pitchers in the rotation were already there, so their production remains the same”

this statement is dead wrong considering the fact you are dealing with a staff where 4/5 guys are under 30, 3/5 being well under 30 (kaz is still 26). but to be frank, i wouldn’t expect your fringe knowledge to cover that. the main point is that asking if pineiro is going to replace lackey is like asking if saunders is going to. no. and it was never the intention. so why pose the question in the first place. the real question is: Can Weaver adequately replace Lackey? did pineiro physically replace lackey? yes he did. but who cares. how is that controversial. every team had some movement in their rotation.

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

nice retort man. make sure your second grade teacher gives you a gold star for the day. have fun with your Mets!!!!!

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

alright man. you are an idiot. that is a fact. the angels did not hire a new “boss” from outside the org. if you read what i wrote (mr. reading comprehension), you would see that in this case the org hired from within. the angels did not make what would be equivalent to an “outside hire” to replace lackey. at no point did the front office indicate that the pineiro signing was to replace lackey. this why weaver is slated to pitch opening day and not pineiro. do you get that? good god man. please, please understand.

if i asked you, who was the ace or “boss” of your pitching staff (or whatever you want to call what the Mets have). you would without hesitation say santana. and there are reasons for that whether you want to admit it or not. so you can sit here and give me the there-is-no-such-thing-as-an-ace argument all you want, but that is what we are discussing. i know youre in second grade, but there is something people do in life called “close reading”. the question is asking can pineiro be the new lackey, or replace everything he has done for the team. he was our “lead dog”, ace, boss, motivation, coach on the field. all of what an ace usually entails. i am calling out mlbtr saying that its an unfair question because that was never pineiro’s job. the question should say “Can the Angels find someone within to replace Lackey?”

“In fact, and this is something your fringe knowledge wouldn’t be aware of, pitchers primes are usually OVER by the time they are 30. They aren’t like position players who may still be in their primes until 32 or so.”

this is dead wrong.

and for the love of god, please no more chair analogy.

halosphan
5 years 3 months ago

Asking: “Can Pineiro replace Lackey?” is like asking: “Can Clayton Richard replace Jake Peavy?” no. but he was never intended to, so its a dumb question.

WasianCU
5 years 3 months ago

I’m not saying Lackey will be outpitched by Pineiro. All I am saying is it doesn’t take Lackey’s arm to fall off for Pineiro to outpitch him for one season since it happened as recently as 2009 and Lackey still has two arms…

WasianCU
5 years 3 months ago

That’s true that Pineiro had a career year and is now moving to the AL. But you also can’t discount that Lackey is moving to a hitters park and to the AL East where historically he has pitched horribly. All I am saying is it is not inconceivable for Pineiro to outpitch Lackey. Again, not saying that he will, just saying it wouldn’t take Lackey’s arm falling off his body to happen like fitz the red sox biased person claims.

sacu
5 years 3 months ago

“Whereas Lackey is pretty much the definition of consistently pitching well.”

Yeah, but how well can one pitch when that one is consistently hurt? Just wondering…

sacu
5 years 3 months ago

Gotcha. I’m not one to argue online, I just like to understand people’s perspective. Thanks for the clarification.