Top Trade Chips: NL East

Let's continue our top trade chips series today with the NL East…

  • Braves: The Braves aren't going to move Tommy Hanson and/or Jason Heyward, and they already traded away their top piece of bait this winter when they sent Javier Vazquez to the Yankees. What Atlanta does have is cache of big time pitching prospects in 20-year-old Randall Delgado,19-year-old Julio Teheran, and 19-year-old Arodys Vizcaino that they could dip into if needed.
  • Marlins: Florida has been reduced to flipping players before they get expensive through arbitration, nevermind get close to free agency. Dan Uggla is the team's highest paid player and also one of its most productive, but he's perpetually on the block because he's owed $7.8MM this season and will make even more in 2011 through arbitration. The Marlins could trade him, put Chris Coghlan back at second (his natural position), and call up super-prospect Mike Stanton to fill the vacant outfield spot.
  • Mets: Even though Carlos Beltran's knee is problematic and Jeff Francoeur is a perennial non-tender candidate, the team's best piece of trade bait is 21-year-old outfielder Fernando Martinez. Lefty reliever Pedro Feliciano could be used as trade fodder, but if ownership decides to part ways with GM Omar Minaya, then they could be in for a full blown firesale. Everyone not named David Wright would be available.
  • Nationals: Forget Stephen Strasburg, it's obviously not happening. However, GM Mike Rizzo has a valuable piece in Josh Willingham, who is no stranger to the trade rumor circuit. He is under team control through 2011, and his production isn't far off from Bay's. Relievers Matt Capps and Brian Bruney could be dealt as well.
  • Phillies: Philadelphia unloaded most of their top prospects to acquire Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay in the last nine months, so the cupboard is pretty bare. They could shop hard-throwing and oft-injured reliever Scott Mathieson, but the doomsday scenario could find Jayson Werth on the block if the Phils don't think they can re-sign him after the season. Of course that's highly unlikely, he's only the second or third best player on the top team in the league.


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103 Comments on "Top Trade Chips: NL East"


Boz
5 years 4 months ago

“he’s only the second or third best player on the top team in the league.”

Phillies are not the top team in the league.

Guest
5 years 4 months ago

Nice. Who is it then?

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

Until someone clearly shows that they are better than the 2-time defending NL Champs, then, yes, they are.

Not to mention that they have the best offense so far and the second best ERA in the NL.

5 years 4 months ago

Well no denying they are a good team, but come on look at the competition or lack there of they have played. The Nationals, Astros, and Nationals again. Two of, if not the worst, teams in the National League. They can hit, but that pitching staff and bullpen would really worry me.

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

How can you logically say that they are not the best team in the NL after they have gone to the World Series two years in a row and essentially have the same team (except for swapping out their ace and their 3B for better alternatives)? I don’t care who they have played this year. It really is ludicrous to say that any other team is better right now.

Guest
5 years 4 months ago

You can’t.

Ferrariman
5 years 4 months ago

Of course their the best. But not by a huge margin. And they did have an easy schedule to start the season.

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

I never alluded to the margin of which they lead the pack by, just that it just doesn’t make sense to say that anyone else is better.

Ferrariman
5 years 4 months ago

Actually you did allude to it lol

But I get what you meant. And don’t to full of yourself just yet. Cards/rockies aren’t far behind at all

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

I’m a Giants fan, so I don’t know how my Phillies comments would suggest that i am full of myself.

5 years 4 months ago

I didn’t say they weren’t the best, I just said they have played an easy schedule so far. I also didn’t say any team was better than the Phillies, but I will say that a bullpen that is missing Lidge and Romero and a rotation that outside of Halladay and possibly Hamels is very mediocre at best. They are the two time defending NL champs, so technically they are the best. I am just curious as to how things will shape up. Don’t assume I don’t think they are the best team, just because I point out some flaws!

foxtown
5 years 4 months ago

The Phillies are SO good… They are almost like an AL team.

Garyoldman
5 years 4 months ago

I would really love to hear who is then.

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

i dont think the mets are going to trade fernado,ike davis,josh thole

one that i dont mind if they trade him its wilmer flores but i prefer to kept him because hes 18 years old and have to minor league years under his belt so he can come up in 2 years easily

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

atlanta should trade a couple of those prospects for a power hitter and they will be a hard team to beat

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

“Everyone not named David Wright would be available.”

There are more players than Wright who wouldn’t be traded if they have a fire sale.

5 years 4 months ago

Not by choice.

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

They’re not trading Reyes or Santana since you can’t replace them. I don’t think they want to give up on Pelfrey either. Even trading K-Rod is pointless since it’s not easy to find an upgrade, especially in NY. He didn’t have a great year (his ERA is inflated from 2 bad outings when he gave up 10 runs in 0.2 innings) but with closers, everyone is more or less on the same level except Rivera.

5 years 4 months ago

1. Reyes: If they go fire-sale, he’ll be gone. Guarantee you. They will get a haul for an amazing lead-off hitter.

2. Santana: Okay, that’s two. I’ll give you him. He won’t be traded.

3. K-Rod: Terrible contract. He’s untradeable. He has never been a shut-down closer, just a good closer on a team that plays a lot of close games.

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

1. No. First, who is going to give you the same offensive production he is capable of? Ruben Tejada isn’t ready.

2. Three. I said Pelfrey wouldn’t be traded.

3. He’s still a good closer. IMO, there are 3 tiers of closers in baseball: Mariano Rivera, guys who have no business closing and end up losing their jobs, and everyone else. The “everyone else” have some flaw but you can live with them.

5 years 4 months ago

Whatever we disagree on, we can agree 100% on your closer tiers.

If you need a shutdown inning, the best in history is Rivera.

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

1. When teams trade players, they don’t always have a backup that can match their production. They often don’t. As long as they have somebody who could play short if they wanted to trade Reyes they would do it.

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

They’re not trading Reyes. He has a cheap option for 2011 and they’re not a small market that they couldn’t afford an extension. Because of his injury last year, they won’t get fair value for him. They’d be trading him for the sake of trading him which is just pointless.

stl_cards16
5 years 4 months ago

So what’s the point in having a fire sale if your not going to trade anyone worth a damn? The point in a firesale is to re-build…and if their not willing to trade Wright, Reyes, or Johan….well then they will just be lucky to dump the rest of their salaries. Those are the only 3 players that are going to bring a good haul of young talent that can improve the team in the future. If none of those 3 are leaving they might as well stand pat and be ok with being bad for the next 5 years.

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

We need to kill this myth that a team needs to have a fire sale to get better. Sometimes they do, like the Astros. But, contrary to what everyone wants to believe (since it’s always popular to hate on New York teams), the Mets aren’t in as bad a situation the Astros are.

Wright has a chance to be one of the top 5 3rd baseman of all-time. You don’t trade that type of player. Those trades rarely work out for the team receiving prospects.

Reyes’ value is too low that you won’t get back what you should. The only other reason to trade him would be his contract. However, he has a 2011 option for $11M (which isn’t outrageous) and they can sign him to an extension easily.

That leaves Santana. The first hurdle is getting him to agree to a trade because of his no-trade clause. Next, you’re going to have to find a team. Unless they want to eat a lot of his salary, their only options would be the Red Sox, Yankees, and maybe Angels. Finally, you have to get enough back for him to make trading him worth it.

stl_cards16
5 years 4 months ago

The only reason the Mets aren’t in as bad a shape as the Astros is because they have more money to spend….With an extra 30mil a year I’m sure the Astros would have a couple more solid players too

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

That’s not the only reason.

icedrake523
5 years 4 months ago

We need to kill this myth that a team needs to have a fire sale to get better. Sometimes they do, like the Astros. But, contrary to what everyone wants to believe (since it’s always popular to hate on New York teams), the Mets aren’t in as bad a situation the Astros are.

Wright has a chance to be one of the top 5 3rd baseman of all-time. You don’t trade that type of player. Those trades rarely work out for the team receiving prospects.

Reyes’ value is too low that you won’t get back what you should. The only other reason to trade him would be his contract. However, he has a 2011 option for $11M (which isn’t outrageous) and they can sign him to an extension easily.

That leaves Santana. The first hurdle is getting him to agree to a trade because of his no-trade clause. Next, you’re going to have to find a team. Unless they want to eat a lot of his salary, their only options would be the Red Sox, Yankees, and maybe Angels. Finally, you have to get enough back for him to make trading him worth it.

stl_cards16
5 years 4 months ago

So what’s the point in having a fire sale if your not going to trade anyone worth a damn? The point in a firesale is to re-build…and if their not willing to trade Wright, Reyes, or Johan….well then they will just be lucky to dump the rest of their salaries. Those are the only 3 players that are going to bring a good haul of young talent that can improve the team in the future. If none of those 3 are leaving they might as well stand pat and be ok with being bad for the next 5 years.

5 years 4 months ago

Werth the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Phils? What about Utley, Howard, Rollins, Halladay, etc.???

5 years 4 months ago

As an all-around player, Werth is better than Howard and might be better than Rollins.

5 years 4 months ago

Let’s get real here. Howard > Werth

5 years 4 months ago

What does Howard do besides hit homeruns and get walked?

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

Those are pretty damn good attributes to have to go along with consistently average defense. If Werth puts up another year like 2009 with the bat and displays significantly above average defense (both to prove that he is capable of doing it consistently), I’d say that they are pretty close in value. I think, for now, that Howard gets the edge because you know what you are going to get because he has done it for a longer period of time.

5 years 4 months ago

strike out…

alphabet_soup5
5 years 4 months ago

And strikeout

5 years 4 months ago

I guess you thought Barry Bonds, V2.0 (‘roids), sucked, too.

Yankees10
5 years 4 months ago

Uh…No way. Howard is ten times better than Jayson Werth. Rollins is also better.

5 years 4 months ago

Rollins is 50/50. If he has a normal year, then yeah, he is, but if he has another 2009, no way.

5 years 4 months ago

SS is a scarcer/tougher position than OF.

Rollins is a top 5 SS.

Werth is not a top 5 OF.

Think about it.

Utley, Halladay, Howard, and Rollins are unquestionably better/more valuable than Werth is. AT BEST, he’s the Phil’s 5th best player, not 2nd or 3rd.

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

last year rollins didnt play great so take him out of the list

Roy Halladay good every five days so take him out of the list

Victorino could be in that list to so i say hes the 3 best player,utley the second best best player,howard the beast so werth its the 4 best player

5 years 4 months ago

Having an off-year shouldn’t take that much away from how good a player is.

Halladay is far and away a better player than Werth, SP or not.

And yeah, Victorino is arguable. I only listed guys who aren’t really debatable.

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

look at reyes

5 years 4 months ago

Howard is terrible at everything but hitting homeruns. The only two clear-cut better-than-Werth are Halladay and Utley.

5 years 4 months ago

1. HRs are a pretty big deal.
2. I think Howard had a better AVG than Werth last year.
3. Let’s Compare their MVPs/Silver Sluggers/next contracts.

Muggi
5 years 4 months ago

Ah, the hype machine at work. It cracks me up people still think this, when virtually every stat says you’re wrong.

5 years 4 months ago

Who’s hyped, Werth or Howard? And what stats are you talking about?

5 years 4 months ago

Rollins isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Werth these days. Howard hits a ton more homers, but Werth does everything else better.

5 years 4 months ago

I love how defense, position, and HRs are irrelevant to some of you. Not sure why I’m even bothering with someone like that.

aap212
5 years 4 months ago

Werth isn’t better than Utley, Halladay, Rollins, or even Hamels, if he bounces back at all. There are so few remotely good shortstops that Rollins is clear, and while Howard is flawed and overrated, a first basemen with a career OPS+ over 140 is better than a corner outfielder the same age who’s never topped 130 and has a significant injury history.

berkaderk
5 years 4 months ago

lol at Mets having a firesale. they have $60M coming off the books after next year and it consists mostly of all their bad contracts (Ollie, Castillo, and i dont consider him a bad contract but K-Rod too if you wanna count him)

BrocNessMonster
5 years 4 months ago

K-Rod isn’t a bad contract?

5 years 4 months ago

A “problematic knee” would not be a problem to moving Beltran, his no trade clause would be. And I would hate to move him, he’s severely undervalued by Mets fans…

5 years 4 months ago

Don’t forget the high price.

crunchy1
5 years 4 months ago

Matt Capps to the Cubs…I wish they could have signed him when they had the chance. As a bullpen guy with good control he would give the Cubs a great set up guy and a much needed insurance policy for Marmol.

Taskmaster75
5 years 4 months ago

Matt Capps has 3 K’s to 5 walks. Don’t get too hasty…

crunchy1
5 years 4 months ago

That’s 3 or 4 games worth of stats compared to a lifetime 6.7/1.8 K/BB ratio. Sounds to me like you’re the hasty one.

Taskmaster75
5 years 4 months ago

According to that logic, if he had a horrific start to this year, you would still want him then?

crunchy1
5 years 4 months ago

Not sure what you mean…if he’s still performing poorly by, say, June or something? If that’s the case then I guess it would depend. If his peripherals were decent, I’d still take a chance — it may even be an opportunity to buy low. If his numbers are bad top to bottom, then they should probably look elsewhere.

BravesRed
5 years 4 months ago

The best player on each team:

Mets – Wright
Nationals – Zimmerman
Phillies – Utley
Marlins – Ramirez
Braves – Prado

These are as of 04/11/10.

Guest
5 years 4 months ago

Prado over McCann?

BravesRed
5 years 4 months ago

Well, Prado did better than McCann last season and this season so far, so yep.

RiverKKiller999
5 years 4 months ago

He has been the hottest Brave getting on base so why not?Prado,Heyward,McCann :)

Muggi
5 years 4 months ago

Wow you like Prado over McCann or Escobar? (not mentioning the kid, too little info obviously).

That surprises me. Prado’s a good player, but McCann is a top-5 C in baseball IMO.

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

You were making sense until you determined that Martin Prado is a better player than Brian McCann, Yunel Escobar, Chipper Jones, et al. Let’s try to use more than one week’s worth of games to estimate a player’s worth. Don’t get me wrong, Prado is having great start to his season. But do you really think he’s going to put up anything more than a low .800s OPS and average to below-average defense over the course of an entire season?

RiverKKiller999
5 years 4 months ago

Braves Red is talking about baseball games played through April 11th not overall hitting .

Jason_F
5 years 4 months ago

Obviously not, or else his list would’ve looked a little more like this:

Mets – Frenchy
Nationals – Willingham
Phillies – Utley
Marlins – Cantu
Braves – Prado

Any “Best Player” conversation obviously involves past success and assumed future performance. Can you read Braves Red’s mind?

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

Beltran its so much better than wright but hes not healthy so i give you that one.
And prado!!!! what the H3ll are you thinking.Mccan its a beast

wallyball
5 years 4 months ago

ok, let’s say that the Nats did the unthinkable and waited the year from signing, and offered to trade Strasburg to the highest bidder. Would he get a Texeira like package? Do you think someone like texas gives up Perez and Smoak in a deal?

Taskmaster75
5 years 4 months ago

Depends. If Davis develops, they might consider it, but otherwise, they say no immediately.

losbravos
5 years 4 months ago

Mccann is the best catcher in the NL and second in the majors behind Mauer. I like Prado, but Mccann is the heart of the Braves. Prado will hit .300 this year and Mccann will hit at least .290 but he will have many more HRs

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

come on yadier molina has to be at least the best defensive catcher without doubts of the mlb

losbravos
5 years 4 months ago

Overall, Mccann is better

JonATLBraves
5 years 4 months ago

Molina’s defensive stats (caught stealing %, etc…) are far superior to McCann’s. However, this is the result where 3 out of every 5 days, a pitcher doesn’t hold the runner on first close enough; Hudson and Lowe do more so than our younger pitchers. Our middle infielders also tend to drop the ball or make a horrific tag. McCann is the overall best NL catcher. Even the HOF Smoltz wanted to use him as a game caller during his early years because he knew that aspect plus his bat would keep us in the games. If he hit in Citizens Bank Park, he would put up better offensive numbers, where pop flys would be home runs like Howard, lol. Just wait and see, another good defensive catcher will have an above average offensive year and McCann will sit on Charlie Manuel’s All-Star bench until the 8th (reference Soto, Molina, Martin).

bobbybaseball
5 years 4 months ago

The Braves aren’t going to move Jason Heyward? Only the biggest “DUH” ever.

CaseStreet
5 years 4 months ago

“Everyone not named David Wright would be available.”

Umm, these guys are not getting traded.

1. Full No Trade Clause – Santana, Beltran, Bay
2. Limited No Trade Clause – K-Rod,
3. Home Grown Super Talent – Reyes
4. Team’s Top Prospects – Davis, Martinez, Mejia

When’s the last time you have ever heard of a team with one of the highest payrolls and so many star players, conducting a “fire sale”. Sorry, it’ll never happen but thanks for taking so much time and thought for this great insight.

rollinphillies
5 years 4 months ago

lol, home grown super talent. that’s ufcking hilarious, thank you for that laugh.

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Trades? Trades? How can Mets even think of a trade when Beltran can’t even run yet? what is going on???? when is he gonna start earning his $$$$$$$$ Its been 3 months already

BravesBallboi
5 years 4 months ago

Grady Sizemore to the braves for prospects?

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

i think they have a RF prospect

Guest
5 years 4 months ago

“How could Jeff Francoeur possibly be a perennial non-tender candidate when he is only 26 and has two 100 RBI seasons under his belt?”

Career OPS is 749. Defense is slipping, has no idea what plate discipline is, doesn’t have much power, doesn’t steal bases, and hes not cheap.

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Is Beltran alive ? When is Beltran going to stat to earn his $$$$ in 2010.

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

about the plate discipline.im a met fan and believe me he has improve a lot! At least in this first six games he has showed big improvement.
defense hes not a great fielder but he have a great arm and its acurate

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

hes better and youre right hes a player that its winning 100mm plus.what do you expect from him??

when a player cash in that kind of money he start to not care anymore about baseball.

of course next year hes gonna kill the league i can bet a million buck

BIGPELF
5 years 4 months ago

and power

Guest
5 years 4 months ago

So having a good arm equals good fielder? Come on now. The guy had 29 HRs and a 742 OPS, a sub 300 OBP. Sounds like a pretty empty 29 HRs to me. His HR totals, ISO, and OBP have all gotten worse since that season.

stl_cards16
5 years 4 months ago

Best arm in the majors? I would recommend you look up some videos on Rick Ankiel….ask any Rox fan….you will never see an outfield arm like that…It’s just too bad ol Ricky can’t hit

stl_cards16
5 years 4 months ago

Best arm in the majors? I would recommend you look up some videos on Rick Ankiel….ask any Rox fan….you will never see an outfield arm like that…It’s just too bad ol Ricky can’t hit

VoteForPrado
5 years 4 months ago

If they stay healthy (mainly referring to Glaus and Chipper) they have one of the best offenses in baseball. I think they also have the best rotation 1 through 5 in the national league. Though you can’t tell from tonight, they just lost 17-2 to the Padres. But once some of their hitters start catching up to the season, such as Escobar/Glaus/Chipper, I’m expecting big things. Heyward looks great, by the way. His opposite field power is ridiculously good. He just needs to get the butterflies out; he’s looked a little impatient lately, but the last 2 or 3 games he’s been showing great discipline.

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

I love Beltran but this is ridiculous. It’s 3 months already> He needs to get up and go to work

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

This is a joke – I love Betran but he is so done

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Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Its been 3 months, its time for him to get back to work

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Pagan is a way better hitter and can probably hit well enough to play everyday, but he looks soooooooooo shaky in the OF. His jumps are terrible, he gets to the ball very late, he simply relies on his athletisism to get by. I like him but he scares me in CF. GMJ can’t hit but is a more reliable OF. With teh Mets away from Citifield and starving for offense, Manuel will just have to roll the dice defensively and start Pagan.

Also, the 1B situation is rough right now. Believe it or not, Murphy’s injury really has put a lot of pressure on the organization. They want to give Ike about 200-250 at bats at AAA and now they are down to 3rd and 4th stringers there. If they think Murphy can be back before May 1st then they should just ride it out otherwise they should bring Davis up for a cup of coffee b/c the Tatis/Jacobs is a joke.

Finally, ifReyes and Bay don’t get going soon, whatever else lineup decisons
Mauel or any other manager makes won’t matter as you can’t make a gouret meal out of chicken
sh!t. Manuel may not be a great manager, but this is really unfair to blame him when he’s has his leadoff hitter still getting back into form, is playing short handed at 1B, and is missing an irreplaceable player in Beltran.

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Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

If u think Manuel sucks I can accept that. But there is no denying he’s behind the 8 ball.

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

If u think Manuel sucks I can accept that. But there is no denying he’s behind the 8 ball.

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Day game after night game rest for Barajas

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Day game after night game rest for Barajas

rollinphillies
5 years 4 months ago

come on, “super talent” is hilarious. even the most homerific mets fan retracts statements like that at this point in his career.

rollinphillies
5 years 4 months ago

come on, “super talent” is hilarious. even the most homerific mets fan retracts statements like that at this point in his career.

CaseStreet
5 years 4 months ago

you don’t have to be a homer to know Reyes is one of the best short stops in baseball.

“at this point in his career”? You do know Reyes is only 27. He’s hit 90 hits since 2005, while stealing 50 plus and hitting double digit triples.

Sorry if Jose doesn’t qualify as a super talent in your eyes. Either way, there’s no way the Mets trade him.

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

Fair point. Hopefully, Bay can get it going in the mile high city

Ricky
5 years 4 months ago

I love late West Coast and Mountain games as well

RiverKKiller999
5 years 4 months ago

You do know Francoeur use to be a pitcher back in College right?Only great pitch he had was his fastball because they couldn’t catch up to it .Just letting you know.