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brewersnrays
Chris Capuano has moved all the way up to AAA, as well, and so far has strong number in a very limited sample of low-minors rehab starts. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the Brewers attempt to move Davis and replace him in the rotation with either Manny Parra or Chris Capuano somewhere down the line. We have a surplus of average veteran arms and a severe shortage of young, high upside arms (like most teams.) Perhaps we could help that situation out by moving a veteran starter or two, but the return would be pretty limited for anyone we’d be willing to move.
If we had any chance of re-signing him, I’d like us to entertain the thought of acquiring Cliff Lee from the Mariners, should he become available. Perhaps a package starting with Manny Parra, who still has a lot of promise, and Angel Salome, a catcher with some pop who has seemingly fallen out of favor with the Brewer’s brass, could get it done.
Flharfh
It’s been mostly the back end of the bullpen (now DL’d Hawkins and Hoffman), below average defense (everyone except Escobar and Gomez) and the bi-polar run support that have really killed the crew.
powertech84
Escobar’s defense hasn’t been stellar either, not that he wont surely improve
wakeupmacha
New_Law_Era, have you followed Bush closely over the last few years to even know what you’re talking about? I’m not saying he’s a great pitcher, but what else do you want from a #4 SP, unless you’re the Yankees or a small handful of other teams. 7 starts this year, 6 of them quality starts (technically 5 qs since going 5 innings giving up 1 ER doesn’t qualify). You think he’s overachieving do ya? Every year, it takes him a bit to get going, then he goes on a tear, only to have a stupid injury derail him.
Before pointing to your sabermetrics, have you actually watched him pitch? Strand rate is the most worthless stat available. Some pitchers bucker down and pitch better under pressure. Looking at numbers won’t tell you this. Watching games will. BABIP is also overrated, just not as much as strand rate. Sinkerball pitchers who have good defense behind them are going to naturally have a lower BABIP than a flyball pitcher at Texas stadium. My point is, generalizing and measuring every pitcher using BABIP does not prove how good a pitcher is or isn’t. Maybe a pitcher has a good BABIP because the movement on his pitches is so good that hitters don’t get the meat of the bat on the ball. Maybe a pitcher has a high BABIP because he has no movement and throws gopher balls like Jeff Suppan. It’s not always about luck and that the pitcher will revert back to the mean eventually.
Try watching real games pitched by Bush, and you’ll see he’s not that bad. No, he’s not a #1, 2, or 3, but we were never expecting him to be.
wakeupmacha
The Brewers need to just let him go? Really? Just eat $4.125 million and release a very serviceable #4 SP, when our pitching is the weak link? He’s getting paid like a #4 SP, and he has, is, and will produce like a #4 pitcher. What exactly are we supposed to want out of the #4 spot right now? More innings out of him maybe, that that can be said for every pitcher on the starting staff right now, especially Gallardo.
If it gets to the trade deadline and we are sellers, then they might look at trading him. No, we won’t get much of anything back for him, and no, legitimate contenders like the Yankees will want him. However, teams that are not out of the race, yet are not close enough to want to go “all in” at the deadline, would gladly take Bush if they have starting pitching/ injury problems. So, if someone trades for him, we at least get something back for him, whatever that may be, and that team pays the rest of his contract.
Tell me why we should just let him go?
wakeupmacha
One more thing, to avoid this getting into an argument on metrics. I may have sounded a little harsh on the topic and that metrics are completely useless. Metrics can be very useful in predicting how a player will perform in the future, but only when combined with actually watching that player. Seeing is believing. From metrics alone, one would assume Bush has been getting very lucky. From watching every game he’s pitched, I’ve seen that he has been very unlucky (last outing, shoddy defense with 2 outs extended the inning and his pitch count by 30 more pitches).
Take out the one bad outing where he gave up 7 ER, and what would his ERA be? Another example of how ERA doesn’t always tell the story of how valuable a pitcher is to his team. Everyone has a bad game; with Bush, his bad game is going to be really bad because he gives up a lot of HRs. That one bad game can not be used as an indicator of what he’ll do from here on out. Now, his ERA the rest of the year won’t be where it is without that one game, but sub 4.25 is very reasonable.