Odds & Ends: Lackey, Stanton, Blue Jays, Vazquez

Links for Monday, as Johnny Damon enjoys a little revenge against his former team…


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  1. 04Forever 5 years ago

    victor martinez? why would they trade him when they may have to sign him long term

    • fitz 5 years ago

      I really don’t think they are going to sign Victor because of legitimate concerns regarding his defense. Beltre, Ortiz and Lowell will all be gone freeing up a lot of money and leaving the need for a strong defensive catcher (not Victor), DH (which could be Victor) and a 3rd baseman or a 1st baseman if they decide to move Youk to third which I hope they don’t. I don’t think Victor will be back next season but we shall see.

      A trade could be plausible as I also don’t see the Sox making the playoffs this year and if they’re really out of it why not entertain offers for him? Let’s just hope they don’t end up with another full time DH who is incapable of playing the field.

      • Nice, honest review of the Sox which is too often lacking around the net. If Gonzalez is the perfect fit, which I’m not sure he is because Youk is settled at 1B, then it’s going to be better to wait until the off season because SD is playing much better then the Sox. Plus, if you look at run differential, it doesn’t bode well for the Padres falling out of the race….or the Sox getting back into it.

  2. NYBravosFan10 5 years ago

    Wow, what did the Red Sox offer for him?!?!?! You know, I actually don’t want to know. If Frank Wren passed up on Jacoby Ellsbury or Daniel Bard I will probably explode. Not that it’s likely that he did but there is still a chance and I don’t want to gamble.

    • alxn 5 years ago

      probably one of their over-hyped bottom of the rotation pitching prospects

    • Zack23 5 years ago

      He didnt pass up Ellsbury or a reliever for Javy

  3. So wait…all the big moves the Yankees have made over the last 2 season have just been waiting to hear what the RED SOX were doing and then offer more? Way to run a team Cashman.
    Look like the RED SOX really Deaked the Yankee with that Vasquez move though.

    • Zack23 5 years ago

      How do you know Theo didnt follow Cashman?

      Red Sox deaked the Yankees after 5 starts by Javy? Think you’re giving Theo just a little bit too much credit.

      • “Red Sox deaked the Yankees after 5 starts by Javy? Think you’re giving Theo just a little bit too much credit.”

        Not if you look at Vasquez’s career numbers in the AL…this is pretty much what everyone should have expected from him.

        • Zack23 5 years ago

          Like it was stated before, he has a 9.78 ERA and 7.95 FIP after 5 starts this season.
          You can try to claim that’s what you should expect from him, but everyone knows that’s not true.

          And obviously Theo gave Beckett that extension because he knew Cashman was going to go after him if he became a FA. Looks like Cashman deaked Theo on that one, right?

    • bj82 5 years ago

      Yeah, but Javy is only for one year, besides everyone knows he is better than this.

      • Not in the AL he isn’t.
        In his career this is pretty much what he has done in the AL. He’s a NL pitcher, it’s the only league he’s had any sustained success.

        • ugen64 5 years ago

          Javy’s ERA in seasons with an AL team:

          4.91
          4.84
          3.74
          4.67
          9.78

          one of these is not like the others.

          • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

            Obviously nobody thinks he’ll stay at a nearly 10.00 ERA. That’s extremely bad. But the point is the other numbers show only one decent ERA number, and the last time with the Yanks he was a disappointment. He’ll level out at a more respectable number, but the point is he will likely not get close to his numbers with an NL team. And that’s the point Qbass is making; this guy is not built for the American League. A 4.50 ERA probably won’t be a complete failure on his part with the Yanks, because of their offense, but it’s not what they paid for.

          • Zack23 5 years ago

            Somehow I doubt the Yankees expected him to repeat his numbers from last year, that’s pretty stupid. You take 1 year and ignore the previous 4.

            “but it’s not what they paid for”
            They gave up Melky and a SP prospect, who’s 3 years away from the majors. And his salary is ~12m. They got him to stabalize the rotation so they didnt have 37 year old Andy + 2 young kids at the end of it.

            For the “disappointment” he was his first time in NY, he did make the All Star team- and I dont buy the “it hit Aug-Sept and he couldnt have the pressure”

          • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

            Well, I guess I just take the “disappointment” feel from most Yankees fans I know, who were hoping for much more than what he gave them. He’s always been touted as a #2 or #3 guy who can give you really solid stuff, so when he turned into a (dependable, I’ll admit) 4 or 5 starter for the Yanks, it was a surprise. (maybe I’ve got this history wrong? I just seem to remember Vazquez having a near-ace reputation coming into new york) And then, when he returned to the NL and played at a Cy Young worthy level, it’s got to have been a factor in the Yanks decision to trade for him. While yes, you don’t take 1 seasons info and disregard the other 4, you likewise can’t completely ignore his most recent year. So at best the Yanks were looking at what would have been an improvement on their last version of Javy. And so far at least, yes in only five starts, he hasn’t even been that. And so, if he does revert back to Javy as with the Yankees for the first time, it will still be a disappointment from New York’s point of view. Plus, while Arodys was a prospect far off from MLB, he was pretty well regarded, so it’s not as if NY gave up nothing for Javy.

          • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

            Well, I guess I just take the “disappointment” feel from most Yankees fans I know, who were hoping for much more than what he gave them. He’s always been touted as a #2 or #3 guy who can give you really solid stuff, so when he turned into a (dependable, I’ll admit) 4 or 5 starter for the Yanks, it was a surprise. (maybe I’ve got this history wrong? I just seem to remember Vazquez having a near-ace reputation coming into new york) And then, when he returned to the NL and played at a Cy Young worthy level, it’s got to have been a factor in the Yanks decision to trade for him. While yes, you don’t take 1 seasons info and disregard the other 4, you likewise can’t completely ignore his most recent year. So at best the Yanks were looking at what would have been an improvement on their last version of Javy. And so far at least, yes in only five starts, he hasn’t even been that. And so, if he does revert back to Javy as with the Yankees for the first time, it will still be a disappointment from New York’s point of view. Plus, while Arodys was a prospect far off from MLB, he was pretty well regarded, so it’s not as if NY gave up nothing for Javy.

  4. TwinsVet 5 years ago

    Minnesota and Detroit gleefully await the dismemberment of the White Sox…

    • danks50 5 years ago

      Haha, good one. I’ll enjoy the Twins getting absolutely dismembered once again in the playoffs, what is that 9 straight playoff loses? Quite the streak you guys have there.

    • jphenix2002 5 years ago

      why? They aren’t that good anyway. If anything those guys could be traded to an AL team that the Tigs or in your case Minnesota will have to worry about.

  5. aap212 5 years ago

    A lesson nicely illustrated by the Callis piece: if a position player is the consensus best or second best player on the board, don’t be scared off by price concerns. Of all the position players on that list not drafted number one overall, all of them have surpassed most or all of the guys drafted ahead of them: Teixeira, Wieters, Alvarez, Upton. Without the added risk of a pitching prospect, a few million really isn’t much for a shot at a singular positional talent.

  6. Dang, don’t want to take a once in a lifetime pitcher anywhere close to that list. It really puts the pressure on Strasburg.

  7. bomberj11 5 years ago

    Curtis Granderson would be a Red Sock if the Tigers didn’t want Ellsbury/Buchholz + more.

  8. fitz 5 years ago

    Stanton with his 15th homer tonight. What an absolute beast.

  9. dickylarue 5 years ago

    I’m sure the Red Sox offered the immortal Michael Bowden for Javy and Granderson in a radical offer where the Braves and Tigers would share Bowden during the course of the season and the Red Sox would acquire both former All Stars straight up for him and also receive both the Braves and Tigers top prospects per Keith Law’s recommendation.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      That’s sarcasm, obviously. May I ask what your point was? That the Red Sox rip off everyone by overvaluing players? The Yankees rip off guys on nearly every trade they’ve made (this Javy trade not included). The Red Sox gave up Hanley Ramirez to the Marlins, when all the Marlins were looking to do was cut payroll. Now they have the best shortstop in baseball.

      Sorry, maybe I’m just on edge today. But this idea of “ooh sarcasm, I’m a certain internet sensation!” really bugs me, and that was just stupid.

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