Odds & Ends: Branyan, Orioles, D’Backs, Marlins

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Infield Fly
5 years 2 months ago

Cubs GM Jim Hendry stands by his investment in Carlos Zambrano, writes the Daily Herald’s Bruce Miles.

Ah yes…and this is the same Jim Hendry who [in his infinite wisdom] thought Milton Bradley a suitable addition to the team. Way to flip off your fan base, Jimmy-boy!

5 years 2 months ago

Not only did he sign Milton Bradley, he traded Mark DeRosa so he could have to payroll flexibility to afford him. DeRosa had just OPSed .857 for the Cubs in 2008.

sportsnut969
5 years 2 months ago

Ya but he got Archer in that deal who looks like he will be a fine pitcher at some point in the next 2 years and Stevens who hasn’t been bad what is Gabb doing.

I couldn’t believe the Indians gave archer up in that deal, prior to the deal shapiro had done nothing but praise his hugh up-side.

baseball52
5 years 2 months ago

It seems like we’re getting a great return on that deal. And with Silva pitching great, he could get us something good as well. It seems like Hendry’s big blunder will end up working out in the end.Well this Zambrano one likely won’t…

sportsnut969
5 years 2 months ago

+1

I’m telling you I follow an extreme amout of minor league baseball Archer is the real deal and he looked like it right out the shoot.

I think if the Indians Front Office had really thought it through Archer would be on the verge of the majors with us, but you know it like all the greats say that most fans don’t realize you have to give something up to get something.

And we really ended up with a good return on DeRosa getting Jess Todd and Chris Perez from the Cardinals they really look like the ones who was screwed in all this.

But I will say injuries aside Mark DeRosa is a very fine ballplayer and he was a leader in the clubhouse and on the field.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 2 months ago

Shapiro knew he was giving up potentially good pitchers to the Cubs. At the time of the deal he said he hoped all three would end up in the ML, and he fully expected 2 of the 3 to make it. He didn’t say which two, though. Too bad that DeRosa got hurt.

foxtown
5 years 2 months ago

What do you expect him to say?

“Yeah, I suck. Fire me now.”

Infield Fly
5 years 2 months ago

Hmm…let me see. No but OK, I’ll take it.

studio179
5 years 2 months ago

Last year had to be interesing if you were playing with the Cubs having Zambrano and Bradley in the same clubhouse.

YanksFanSince78
5 years 2 months ago

I could see the Yanks showing interest in Peralta. Provided the asking price isn’t more than a borderline low level prospect then why not? Peralta is nothing special with the glove but the Yanks have a very week bench w/ out any real pop and the guys we do have are very young and lack experience (Pena and Russo). In Peralta you get a guy who can spell Arod and Jeter, still has decent offensive skills, evident by his 20 dbls and 5 hrs in a week lineup and he’s show an ability to hit for greater power in the past (40 dbls/20+ hrs). He could be an excellent bat off the bench and a decent replacement for Arod and Jeter when they need a day off or need to DH for the day. Retain Pena for defensive purposes and all round utility guy and send Russo back to AAA.

sportsnut969
5 years 2 months ago

The Indians are looking to fill out the lower levels they are interested in SS / 2nd / centerfielder and RHed power hitting corner outfielder and corner infielders.

Would a guy like Zoilo Almonte be available? An A baller with power they would be very interested in.

YanksFanSince78
5 years 2 months ago

No Almonte is giving up too much. He’s a 21 year old who has improved on his bat avg, obp and power number sin 3 consecutive years. Right now, at age 21, with a modest .289/.362 line w/ 10 hrs and some speed I think the Yanks would be smart to hold on to him. Ma

However, maybe someone like a Melky Mesa? Tone of power and speed ability but still very raw.

sportsnut969
5 years 2 months ago

He is slightly old for that level but he from the Dominican Republic so he may get a pass on the age thing.

I like his numbers If I was Shapiro he is a righthanded bat with pop and some speed I would do Peralta for him.

The Indians on a 1 for 1 though would never eat the rest of Peralta salary this year so I think that would be a done deal if the Yankees are willing to pick up the rest of Peralta’s pay.

sportsnut969
5 years 2 months ago

Paul Hoynes said the same thing about Branyan, Hoynes said nobody would wnat Branyan because of the 5 million option that could be player exercised and look they picked up what looks like what may be a fine SS prospect and a servicable centerfielder that was a top 12 prospect with a C Tier prospect rating.

IMO Peralta will be dealt, it might not be by the trading deadline but I would bet he will be part of a waiver wire deal and I would not be totally shocked to see Carmona end up with the Mets for Fernando Martinez, Bradley Holt and Kirk Nieuwenhuis ( With Niewenhuis being the key who could replace Sizemore when he is dealt this time next year )

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

That’s just a weird package. It’s sort of too much AND too little. Martinez and Holt’s stock have basically never been lower.

ReverendBlack
5 years 2 months ago

they picked up what looks like what may be a fine SS prospect and a servicable centerfielder that was a top 12 prospect with a C Tier prospect rating.

15th, actually, in the Mariners weak system – projects as a serviceable fourth outfielder. And Diaz isn’t even a rated prospect.

It’s good to be optimistic though I guess.

sportsnut969
5 years 2 months ago

I sort of agree with you to a point but IMO they really gave Martinez the Express Rush Job to the majors IMO if he was picked up and moved back a level and not rush him and he would come back around.

I’m a bif Holt fan IMO he will come back around and will be a very good 4 or 5 starter in the next 2 year he was another they may have put to much pressure on to early.

Niewenhuis is the key with the Indians about to lose Sizemore he would be making it the the majors in the perfect time to take over for Sizemore, Nieuwenhuis would be a much better option for the Indians than Brantley who is showing to be more of a 2 tool player than the 4 + tool guy he was hyped to be ( in 60 games he is batting 285 with 7 double and 3 were in one gane and 2 triples he has only stole 7 bases and been caught 4 times he is basically Co Co Crisp lite IMO ).

I could see the Indians packaging Brantley in one of their trades with the play of Crowe to upgrade a prospect quality return.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

The bigger problem with Martinez is that he can’t stay on the field. He hasn’t been good OR healthy this year. And for all your optimism about Holt, it’s still speculative. He’s been downright terrible. Profoundly bad. And Nieuwenhuis is showing some promise, but a lot of people think he’s a fourth outfielder, and there are definitely holes in his game.

5 years 2 months ago

Another classic MacFAIL.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Clever. Original.

baseball52
5 years 2 months ago

I have never heard this one, especially from my fellow Cub fans. /sarcasm

basemonkey
5 years 2 months ago

Very creative.

5 years 2 months ago

“Marlins shortstop Hanley Ramirez was sorry to see skipper Fredi Gonzalez go before he could tell him off himself since he really is that immature.”

There, fixed it.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Hi-yo.

Scott23
5 years 2 months ago

Getting Branyan back says only one thing the mariners are desperate to please there fan base because they screwed up this offseason

Christopher_Oriole
5 years 2 months ago

…That’ll happen?

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

But switching to the AL East from Coors Field was sure to improve his stats.

Smileybush
5 years 2 months ago

That is classic MacFail though. Look at his history with the Cubs. He was constantly signing mediocre 30 year old guys coming off career years that ended up being anomalies. He thinks he is so much smarter than other GMs, but he fails to consider so many red flags. He may know accounting, but his baseball acumen has been demonstrably low for some time now.

malcolmec
5 years 2 months ago

Sure, in retrospect it didn’t work out, but I don’t know if what you’re saying is entirely fair. Before this season, Atkins had ONE bad season in the Major Leagues, which was his most recent one in 2009. In every other full season of his career I think it’s fair to say he put up numbers worth paying $4.5 million for, and most of them were worth more than that. The Orioles obviously can’t afford (or won’t afford) big time free agents, so they pick up Atkins for a modest price because there’s still reason to believe he can produce. The Cubs’ Milton Bradley signing was much worse, and in general signing players based on one great year is much more foolish than taking a chance on players who’ve only had 1 bad year. Many, many players have recovered successfully from 1 bad season. It was a medium risk/high reward situation (medium risk because $4.5 million isn’t, by today’s standards, a whole lot to spend on a veteran player). Unfortunately it didn’t work. But just because something doesn’t work out doesn’t mean someone made a poor decision.

vtadave
5 years 2 months ago

You comment makes no sense.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

When did I say AL East pitching is dominant? It’s just a whole lot better than the NL West last year and the year before, especially with half your games in Coors.

Also, Zobrist didn’t struggle elsewhere–he was in the minors elsewhere. Swisher had a one year dip, then moved to a particularly friendly home park in that division. Papi was actually pretty good with the Twins, who didn’t give him a full chance, and Boston signed him just in time for his prime. That’s not struggling elsewhere. And A-Rod, Tex, and Manny have hall of fame caliber bats, so you wouldn’t exactly expect them to struggle anywhere.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

81 home games at Coors is more significant than the road parks in your division. And the Red Sox, Yankees, and Blue Jays all have deeper pitching staffs than anyone in the NL West had last year.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Nice cherrypicking. The Giants have the flashiest staff from last year, and even then, you name one guy that only pitched a few games for them and two that were slightly above average and durable. I’m saying that the Sox, Rays, Yankees, and Jays this year have overall better staffs that last year’s Giants, Diamondbacks, Dodgers, and Padres. No rotation that Atkins has faced in the AL East is NEARLY as bad as the Padres staff last year, for instance. And bear in mind that those NL West pitchers had their stats padded by facing a couple of ridiculously weak lineups.

rzepczynski
5 years 2 months ago

actually the jays traded for bautista, and settled on 2.4 million before arbitration
robinson diaz I believe is the player the jays sent

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Toronto and Baltimore had much better lineups than San Diego, San Fransisco, and Arizona. Those teams had, what, six very good hitters combined?

On to your challenge, to name a hitter who hit worse after leaving Colorado in his prime: Matt Holliday DID put up markedly worse numbers in Oakland. Neifi Perez DID lose his semblance of power. Jeff Cirillo collapsed. Tom Goodwin was never useful again. Jeffrey Hammonds collapsed. Mike Lansing’s bat died the second he left Coors. Preston Wilson’s basically did too. Bichette lost 75 points of slugging. You don’t give good hints.

Also, focusing on Coors ignores the league change factor, which is very important right now.

crashcameron
5 years 2 months ago

Very observant comments:
if it was 10 years ago.
you sound like the TV highlight guys who still refer to Coors “the launching pad.”
it ain’t what it used to be. take a cigar from the humidor and have a puff while you update yourself.

BTW: Larry Walker did not leave Colorado in his prime. that was his prime.

crashcameron
5 years 2 months ago

Very observant comments:
if it was 10 years ago.
you sound like the TV highlight guys who still refer to Coors “the launching pad.”
it ain’t what it used to be. take a cigar from the humidor and have a puff while you update yourself.

BTW: Larry Walker did not leave Colorado in his prime. that was his prime.

rzepczynski
5 years 2 months ago

adrian gonzalez, upton, sandoval…. I only count 3 good players mayyyyyyyyyyybe reynolds because of HR but his strikeouts make ryan howard look like david eckstein

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Preaching to the choir, dude.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

You didn’t ask me to only name guys who had their very best years in Coors! You talked about what guys did after leaving Coors. And of course you’re running into the obvious problems of when guys played at Coors relative to their primes. And if you want to pick outliers like Bautista (who’s going to regress like mad), then sure, you could make an incorrect argument that the AL is easier than the NL. But it would be wrong. But pointing to a good year from Neifi with the Cubs later on, which was only 23 games, and picking on the Sox rotation without even mentioning Buchholz is nonsense. You cherry pick data (counting stats for the guy with decreasing rate stats, rate stats for the guy who hardly played) and dodge points you can’t refute. It’s late. I’m tired. I’m done with you.

aap212
5 years 2 months ago

Oh, so you were talking about a year in which Neifi had an OBP under 300 and a SLG under 400. Gotcha. Your arguments are ridiculous. You don’t see how the AL is better than the NL or how the AL East is stacked compared to the rest of baseball, then that’s your failure. And I don’t root for any team in either division if that’s going to be your next asinine argument. Good night.

Christopher_Oriole
5 years 2 months ago

Ever seen the movie “Super Troopers”, it fits.

But, it does sort of make sense. Some people have brilliant years and then just fall off dramatically. That’ll happen.

Smileybush
5 years 2 months ago

Since 2006, Atkins’ numbers have gone down – HRs, RBIs, BA, OBP, SLG, BBs – and his strikeouts have gone up. Every year they kept going down across the board. So why should anyone expect that trend to not continue? Especially taking him out of Coors? Those are the red flags that MacFail always seems to ignore.

Smileybush
5 years 2 months ago

Since 2006, Atkins’ numbers have gone down – HRs, RBIs, BA, OBP, SLG, BBs – and his strikeouts have gone up. Every year they kept going down across the board. So why should anyone expect that trend to not continue? Especially taking him out of Coors? Those are the red flags that MacFail always seems to ignore.

malcolmec
5 years 2 months ago

In 2008 Atkins hit .286 with 21 homers and 99 RBI. His OBP was only .328, but if I’m the Orioles he’s going to hit in the middle of my lineup (probably th or 6th), so I’m not really worried about his OBP. paying $4.5 million is a bargain if you can get that kind of production or something close to it. You do have a good point about Coors Field though–Atkins is something like a career .327 hitter at Coors and dramatically worse away from it.