Cliff Lee Rumors: Thursday

The Twins aren’t close to a deal for Cliff Lee, but the Rangers are working hard to acquire him and a number of other clubs are involved. The Mariners are seeking a monster return for Lee, according to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com and Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Click here to check out yesterday’s Lee rumblings and check back throughout the day for the latest on the lefty:

  • MLB.com's Mark Sheldon reports that talks between Seattle and the Reds have yet to "hit the serious stages." No formal proposals have been exchanged between the two teams.
  • Lee appeared on ESPN 710's Brock and Salk earlier today, and said that he and his agent approached the Mariners about an extension before the season only to be told that the team wasn't "going to go down that road."
  • The Mariners are interested in some of the game’s top prospects and young players, sources tell Jon Heyman of SI.com. Their wish list includes catching prospects Jesus Montero (Yankees) and Wilson Ramos (Twins) plus Justin Smoak and Wade Davis. A competing team says the Twins are a “real” threat to acquire Lee, though we’re not accustomed to seeing them give up lots of talent at the deadline.
  • A rival executive told Heyman that the Rangers discussed Chris Davis and Jarrod Saltalamacchia in a possible Lee trade. As we heard earlier today, the Mariners prefer Smoak and would want more than Davis and Saltalamacchia.
  • The Mariners asked the Yankees for at least three prospects, including Montero, according to Heyman.
  • B.J. Upton’s name has come up, but Heyman suggests the Rays haven't offered him to the Mariners.
  • Larry Stone of the Seattle Times hears rumblings that the White Sox, who just lost Jake Peavy to the DL, are at least 'kicking tires' on Lee. That would not be a surprise given Kenny Williams' track record.
  • One MLB GM told Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that the Rangers are the favorites to acquire Lee. The Rangers don’t want to include Justin Smoak in a trade and at least one rival executive believes they would be ‘crazy’ to do so. The Rangers’ desire to hold onto Smoak is one of the biggest barriers remaining between the two teams. If the Rangers trade Smoak, they could call on Chris Davis, who has a .961 OPS in Triple A.
  • Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hears the Mets mentioned with Lee less and less frequently (Twitter link). The Mariners are looking to obtain a major league-ready power bat, but the Mets don't want to part with Ike Davis
  • Jack Curry of the YES Network says the Yankees are being thorough and will inquire on Lee, just as they would on any available player of his caliber (Twitter link). That doesn't mean the Yanks are willing to out-bid everyone else, however.
  • The Rangers and Mariners continue to discuss a possible Lee trade, according to Richard Durrett of ESPNDallas.com. The Rangers have spoken to numerous teams to figure out what it will take to improve the club for the stretch run.
  • In case there was any doubt remaining about the Mariners' asking price, John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer clears it up. An insider tells Fay that "it's going to take a ton," but Fay does not get the sense that a trade is about to happen.
  • The Rangers have financial restrictions, but MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan reports that they have some money ‘tucked away’ for making moves. GM Jon Daniels is ‘fully engaged’ in the Lee trade talk.
  • We know a lot of teams are interested in Lee, but how many? “Pretty much every team within five games of the playoffs," a source tells Ken Davidoff of Newsday (That's 17 teams). We’ve heard that the Mets may have trouble adding payroll, but GM Omar Minaya and his front office are operating as though they can add salary. That means Lee and Ted Lilly could be targets for the Mets.


145 Responses to Cliff Lee Rumors: Thursday Leave a Reply

  1. Pat_M 5 years ago

    They’re asking for a haul and they’re going to get it. With so many races so close someone is going to be desperate enough to really overpay for this guy – and with the way he is pitching, he might be worth just about any package. Great job by the Mariners to get this guy on the cheap. Teams are always going to overpay for a guy that is pitching this good and who looks like he could single-handedly take you to the playoffs, ala CC 2008. The only thing remaining is who is going to put together the biggest offer.

    • Tigerfan93 5 years ago

      Just like Detroit did last year with Washburn too

      • boy9988 5 years ago

        …are you trying to compare CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee to Washburn?

        • Tigerfan93 5 years ago

          No, I’m saying Detroit overpaid for a pitcher that they didn’t need. Granted, CC was needed by the Brewers. Luke French and Maurico Robles were way too much for that Washed up Washburn.

          • billydisaster132 5 years ago

            the yankees do need cliff lee, after CC and Pettitte who do you have? AJ has been very rocky this year, Vazquez has been good and bad, and Phil Hughes is approaching his innings limit

        • Tigerfan93 5 years ago

          No, I’m saying Detroit overpaid for a pitcher that they didn’t need. Granted, CC was needed by the Brewers. Luke French and Maurico Robles were way too much for that Washed up Washburn.

      • boy9988 5 years ago

        …are you trying to compare CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee to Washburn?

  2. Cyyoung 5 years ago

    After the way Price pitched last night, I think the Rays go after Adam Dunn. I dont think Lee is on their radar. A true power hitter like that would make that team very formidable.

    • The Rays still have one bullet to fire for their offense and his name is Dan Johnson. .304/.411/.615 23hr 77rsbi! I still don’t understand why he hasn’t been brought up. He’ll make league minimum and has shown great plate discipline. With Johnson coming up the Rays can make a move for someone like Lee or Oswault. The O couldn’t cost more than Brignac and Davis. With Hellickson on the way Davis becomes expendable and has been overrated anyway.

      • bomberj11 5 years ago

        Because there’s a belief that Pena can still be able to produce stats similar to years past. Pena’s also much more experienced than Johnson. I mean it’s too big of a risk to have someone like Johnson starting with the division so close.

      • BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

        Because he’s a career minor leaguer who has never earned his weight in the majors.

      • BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

        Because he’s a career minor leaguer who has never earned his weight in the majors.

    • coolstorybro222 5 years ago

      isn’t Carlos Pena basically a latino adam dunn? and besides Adam Dunn has a no trade clause.

      • Yankees420 5 years ago

        Adam Dunn does not have a no trade clause, or even limited no trade protection, you sir are confused.

    • coolstorybro222 5 years ago

      isn’t Carlos Pena basically a latino adam dunn? and besides Adam Dunn has a no trade clause.

  3. hacker13 5 years ago

    How stupid is Amaro going to look when Seattle flips Lee for more than what they give the Phils for him? That trade will go down as the worst deal in the history of baseball!

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      Derek Lowe/Jason Varitek -> Bos for Heathcliff Slocumb
      Rafael Soriano -> Atl for Horacio Ramirez
      Shin-Soo Choo/Shawn Nottingham -> Cle for Ben Broussard
      Carlos Guillen -> Detroit for Ramon Santiago/Juan Gonzalez

      We have made some REALY BAD deals in our time. I’m hopeful that we can at least try to balence out this scale.

      • coolstorybro222 5 years ago

        wow. if I was the GM and I traded away Choo, and he’s having the year he is having, man. I would kick my own ass so hard.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      Derek Lowe/Jason Varitek -> Bos for Heathcliff Slocumb
      Rafael Soriano -> Atl for Horacio Ramirez
      Shin-Soo Choo/Shawn Nottingham -> Cle for Ben Broussard
      Carlos Guillen -> Detroit for Ramon Santiago/Juan Gonzalez

      We have made some REALY BAD deals in our time. I’m hopeful that we can at least try to balence out this scale.

  4. bbxxj 5 years ago

    Can anyone think of the few playoff teams that won’t be in the Lee bidding? I think it would be a fair bet that the Braves won’t be giving up Freeman(1B) and Bethancourt(C) plus another young player for Lee when you already have Hudson-Hanson-Jurrjens-Lowe-Medlen plus Kawakami and perhaps Minor and Resop making up a great staff with solid backup options. Maybe the Padres woud also not be in the mix as their pitching staff is already fantastic and they may not be willing to part with that level of prospects even if they are looking for pitching?

    • johnsilver 5 years ago

      Even with Beckett on the DL, can’t see Boston interested in Lee as one team still in the chase for the playoffs if they can hang on with half the starting 9 on the DL. Rest of the rotation of Lester, Bucholz, Lackey, Matsuzaka and Wakefield has been decent enough with Doubrant making emergency starts in between to go out and try to upgrade what is already one of the better right now even 4 deep rotations around.

    • BravesRed 5 years ago

      Wren already said they’ll being look for anything at the deadline, except for pitching, so Braves are out.

  5. scott4 5 years ago

    I see a big 3 way deal deal coming. Mariner’s trading away Lee, Aardsma, nd J. Lopez.

    • Dylan 5 years ago

      Phillies would def. be interested in Aardsma and Lopez at this point…

      • bbxxj 5 years ago

        Brown and Cossart for Lee, Lopez and Aardsma? I wouldn’t do it but would Philly get desperate enough to do it if they can’t make up some ground before the deadline?

        • Dylan 5 years ago

          I don’t think RAJr. will trade either…so Lee def. will not be a Phillie, but I don’t think that will stop them from going after him in the FA….but they will def. get outbid. They need to focus on RP and a bench guy…

      • scott4 5 years ago

        Kind of what I see happening, bu not sure who the Phils have to deal, D. brown isn’t going anywhere, who do they have of value in the minors?

        • Dylan 5 years ago

          After Brown and Cosart, they have Colvin, May, Gose, Valle, Bastardo, Savery, Matheison, Santana, and Singleton, but I don’t think any combination without Brown in it will get us Lee. Although, Singleton is ripping the ball but he is like 19, so he is prob. not of interest to the M’s.

  6. small_ball_13 5 years ago

    Where ever Lee goes. Its huge. Everyone knows it especially the mariners so they are asking for the bank here. Which they should. It will help them for years to come. Im glad everyone is bidding for it because it almost guarantees the yankees won’t be able to offer anywhere near the prospects most every other team will be able to offer. Rangers would be the AL favorite if they land him I do believe.

  7. huskydon 5 years ago

    As a Mariners fan, we wish Cliff Lee the absolute best and hope he wins a few games in the World Series. He has been a true competitor, great in the clubhouse and a fantastic mentor and influence to the young pitchers. Hopefully it will be a great deal for both (or all) teams.

    • Msforever 5 years ago

      Well said. The guy has really been fun to watch. It will suck to see him go.

  8. Spirit of '69 5 years ago

    Give credit to the Mariners on Lee. Either he and Felix Hernandez were going to be part of a resgurgent year or they were going to get something good for him. Lee has exceeded even the high expectations at the start of the year, so they will get a big-time haul for him.

    Favorites: Twins, Rangers
    Possibles: Mets, Phils, Rays, Tigers, Yanks
    Sleepers: Reds, White Sox

  9. scott4 5 years ago

    Mets get C. Lee, R. Johnson(just cuz Cliff likes him.)
    Red Sox get J. Lopez, D. Aardsma, J. Thole
    Mariners get W. Flores, L. Anderson, F. Martinez

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      The Sox would do that in a minute. Lars for 3 players? Sign them up.

    • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

      The Red Sox give up Lars Anderson and get Jose Lopez, David Aardsma, and Josh Thole? Doesn’t seem close to fair.

      • scott4 5 years ago

        No, it doesn’t. Was going to include Ryan Kalish as well, just forgot.

        • dc21892 5 years ago

          The Sox would not trade Kalish and Anderson for that, lol. They are tearing it up in the minors Jose Lopez won’t have a spot on this team once every one comes back and a BP arm? Come on man.

          • aap212 5 years ago

            Anderson isn’t tearing it up in the minors. I agree with you about the trade, but let’s not make things up.

  10. Pat_M 5 years ago

    If the Mariners aren’t biting on Hick & Ramos I’d have to think Texas becomes the huge favorite. With two big league ready 1B, couple of young catchers, and tons of pitching depth in the minors I can’t even speculate on what the Mariners would want but there is plenty to chose from. It would really put Texas over the top and they’d be a scary looking team come playoff time.

    • Texas has the highest playoff probability (85.1% according to coolstandings.com), so it definitely makes sense for them to get him.

  11. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    Rumor has it from a few reports now that Smoak isn’t off the table.

    • scott4 5 years ago

      Smoak would be the best centerpiece out there for the M’s I think. Him and a pretty decent pitching prospect should get the job done. I think they aren’t biting on Ramos/Hicks because of Hicks being a few years away yet and I think their brass believes Adam Moore is still a very good catching prospect and they aren’t sure if Ramos will be better.

    • As a Mariners fan, I would *love* to have Smoak. We’ve been needing a young mashing 1B type for a long, long time. It would be a lot to give up but he’s a guy that would enable the Rangers to get him now, instead of having Seattle wait around for other offers.

      Maybe Seattle could send Russell Branyan along with Lee, and take Rich Harden back along with Smoak (possible a few low level prospects) to offset salary? It seems like Texas could use Branyan’s bat at 1B for the stretch run.

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      Smoak/Holland/Font

      I would take that deal right now.

  12. Gunner65 5 years ago

    Well I guess that puts to rest those crazy ideas that some people have about getting Lee for one top prospect and some 2nd tier minor league players. While he’d look good in a Reds uni, I still can not justify over paying for the man without a pre-trade extension.

    • CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

      If your in the Rangers shoes, Lee is worth a load. With their offense and Lee leading the staff, they are legit WS contenders.

      • Gunner65 5 years ago

        Yeah, I agree there may be some team other then the Reds willing to over pay for two months of him … but I can’t justify it in my mind for a small market team who can’t afford to give away their top prospects like that …

      • aap212 5 years ago

        He’s not worth a load of players that you’re counting on as parts of your core for the next five years.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        He’s not worth a load of players that you’re counting on as parts of your core for the next five years.

    • The Reds have Alonso, Francisco, and Heisey. 3 men, 1 LF spot (unless you think Juan can play 3rd or Alonso will usurp Votto or Heisey will take down Stubbs). Trade 2 for Lee, offer him arb, watch him decline, and then get back 2 early draft picks.

      With those 2 picks, refill the farm system. The draft picks obviously won’t be as close to big league ready as Alonso/Francisco, but what’s the point of being big league ready if they don’t have position on the team?

      • Gunner65 5 years ago

        Because based on what Fay is saying, sending two of those guys on your list doesn’t sound like its going to be enough to be honest. If his gut feelings are correct, you are looking at the M’s asking for a package of: Alonso/Heisey/Wood … or subtract one of those & insert Mesoraco … that isn’t a price I am willing to pay.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        None of those guys is as good a primary piece as either Hicks OR Ramos.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        None of those guys is as good a primary piece as either Hicks OR Ramos.

  13. Ok does anyone really want Davis? Yeah he’s dominating in AAA right now, but he is still striking out a ton and not walking a ton. Smoak will headline the rangers package or this trade won’t happen. Now Smoak is a ton to give up for half a year of Lee. Do the Rangers really want to give up more than that?

    • boy9988 5 years ago

      I agree. With Smoak, Perez, and Scheppers off the table, I think the Twins and Reds become the leaders in the sweepstakes. Davis just isnt the kind of prospect that headlines this deal.

  14. SoCalAngelsFan75 5 years ago

    As an Angels fan, it’s scary to think that Lee may go to TX. With the Halos struggling, the Rangers keep stretching that gap. The AL West is almost guaranteed if they get Lee. Also, more than likely they’ll be facing the Yanks in the playoffs and Lee has pitched well against them. Not familiar enough with what TX would have to give up but winning the west and having a pitcher that can take on NYY seems like it would be worth it for a team that hasn’t made much noise in recent history.

  15. icedrake523 5 years ago

    If the Mets thought they might have trouble adding payroll in the future, why did they give Willie an extension during their 07 collapse? Or overpay for Castillo? Or re-sign Oliver Perez at all?

    • caseyB 5 years ago

      The “rumors” of payroll/financial difficulties came only AFTER the Madoff scandal, which was after ’07 and the Castillo/Perez contracts. Keep in mind that these are only rumors too, and they’ve been denied by many sources.

    • caseyB 5 years ago

      The “rumors” of payroll/financial difficulties came only AFTER the Madoff scandal, which was after ’07 and the Castillo/Perez contracts. Keep in mind that these are only rumors too, and they’ve been denied by many sources.

  16. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    Something else to consider is when people scoff at dealing away Smoak because he is a part of their current offense. He really isn’t hitting well at all in his first big league stint. The patience is there but he is getting pretty much overmatched by ML pitching so far. If Seattle threw in Branyan it would be an decent offensive upgrade at 1B for 2010.

    • It has nothing to do with him being up in the Majors. We don’t want our team to deal him because 5 years down the line, we want Justin hitting 40 HR’s for us and not for Seattle.

    • It has nothing to do with him being up in the Majors. We don’t want our team to deal him because 5 years down the line, we want Justin hitting 40 HR’s for us and not for Seattle.

  17. Just throwing it out there (In response to Buster Olneys latest tweet):

    Javier Vasquez and prospect for Jayson Werth.

    • Dylan 5 years ago

      No Thanks….IF Phillies trade Werth it will be for a RH corner outfielder OR a stud pitching prospect…not a guy who is struggling this year.

      • icedrake523 5 years ago

        He’s not been struggling lately.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        Which team will be sending you that stud pitching prospect for a rental of Werth’s home/road splits?

      • aap212 5 years ago

        Which team will be sending you that stud pitching prospect for a rental of Werth’s home/road splits?

  18. BigRedOne 5 years ago

    My sources tell me the main Reds brass, Walt Jocketty, Bill Miller and Cam Bonifay are all in Philadelphia to watch Wood and Maloney to decide which one to throw in the Lee sweepstakes. Look for Yonder Alonso to get pulled from his minor league game after the All-Star break…

    • scott4 5 years ago

      Alonso just isn’t Smoak. They would have to get Alonso, Francisco, and one of Maloney/Wood.

      • Gunner65 5 years ago

        If its Maloney …I can live with that deal … I will not be happy if Wood is included

      • Player Names: Career Minor League Stats…
        Justin Smoak .292avg/.403obp/.452slg/.855ops
        Yonder Alonso .293avg/.378obp/.459slg/.837ops

        Now…I know Yonder isn’t Justin…But Do not tell me that they are not EXTREMELY comparable to each other. And IMO, Alonso is a Edgar Martinez clone…I think SEA might find that comparison quite alluring.

        • scott4 5 years ago

          Wow, that’s quite a stretch. Edgar Martinez? You’re comparing a prospect, any prospect to Edgar? You think Alonso will hit about .325, get 30 hr, and drive in around 120 for 10 straight years or so, and turn around and start batting righty?

          As for Smoak and Alonso, it’s not all about stats in the minors, there are other factors otherwise C. Davis would be a ML All-star instead of back at AAA.

        • Msforever 5 years ago

          Edgar Martinez?

        • Msforever 5 years ago

          Edgar Martinez?

        • aap212 5 years ago

          Just because you hope a guy’s bat will come around and you don’t think he’ll ever be useful in the field doesn’t make him Edgar Martinez. Let’s see Alonso hit better, hit for more power, get over his platoon splits, and show anything at the upper levels before we compare him to a hall of fame caliber bat and perhaps the greatest DH of all time.

        • aap212 5 years ago

          Just because you hope a guy’s bat will come around and you don’t think he’ll ever be useful in the field doesn’t make him Edgar Martinez. Let’s see Alonso hit better, hit for more power, get over his platoon splits, and show anything at the upper levels before we compare him to a hall of fame caliber bat and perhaps the greatest DH of all time.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        I’d rather have the two picks than Alonso, Francisco, and Maloney.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        I’d rather have the two picks than Alonso, Francisco, and Maloney.

  19. ghost5599 5 years ago

    Well if the M’s get some kind of Smoak deal done I hope they don’t have to include Branyan as part of it. I myself would like to see both Smoak and Branyan in the Seattle lineup next year. Get rid of Branyan and they will have to go out and find another power bat. Which did not go well in their search and efforts for one this year.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      If the Rangers will give you Smoak in a deal for a rental and they want Branyan too, Jack Z will personally drive Lee and Branyan to Texas himself. As well he should.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      If the Rangers will give you Smoak in a deal for a rental and they want Branyan too, Jack Z will personally drive Lee and Branyan to Texas himself. As well he should.

  20. Belandsexo 5 years ago

    If we can land Smoak, the Rangers wouldn’t have to throw in much more. Hell I would do Lee for Smoak straight up. They could take Branyan back too if they wanted a short term 1B solution.

    A more realistic deal is probably Holland/Beltre/Salty or Davis. I just cant see Texas giving up Smoak. If he was still in the minors, he’d be the #1 prospect in baseball.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      I agree with you until the last sentence. He wouldn’t be number one, but he’d be mighty high.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      I agree with you until the last sentence. He wouldn’t be number one, but he’d be mighty high.

  21. tmoney352 5 years ago

    The Rangers are about to go through a brutal stretch after the All-Star break and in August, so I think the Rangers will get this deal done sooner than later, maybe even over the break. You would be gaining potentially 3-4 starts against great opponents (BoSox, Tigers, Angels) by dealing for him before the deadline. I’m a lifelong Rangers fan, and I say pull the trigger. Seasons like the one we are having don’t come often (i.e. – Rangers winning and Angels not as much), and we need to pounce while we can. Also, not to jump the gun by any means, but if the Rangers pull away and coast to the AL West title, getting Lee ASAP could help in gaining home field throughout. As much as I think we can compete with the AL East, I would feel infinitely more comfortable playing more games in Arlington in October, as the Rangers are one of the best home teams in the league.

    For me, I commit and don’t look back. Holland + Davis + 1/2 more prospects, and hope that Greenburg & Co. can shell some serious cash his way this offseason.

    • Holland + Davis + 1/2 more prospects would be a pretty good return. They’ve both put up good numbers at AAA, although the MLB numbers are less impressive. Still, both can go right into the 2011 starting lineup, I would think.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        For a second, I thought you meant half a prospect in addition to Holland and Davis.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        For a second, I thought you meant half a prospect in addition to Holland and Davis.

    • huskydon 5 years ago

      I am a Mariners fan, but I agree. Mariners/ Rangers don’t have many opportunities to make the playoffs and so when you have a chance, you really have to think about going for it all the way. Mariners have never been to the World Series, so I can think that way. Rangers haven’t been to the playoffs in while, either.

    • huskydon 5 years ago

      I am a Mariners fan, but I agree. Mariners/ Rangers don’t have many opportunities to make the playoffs and so when you have a chance, you really have to think about going for it all the way. Mariners have never been to the World Series, so I can think that way. Rangers haven’t been to the playoffs in while, either.

  22. ghost5599 5 years ago

    I admit I don’t know a whole lot about Smoak. But Texas is a pretty good hitters ballpark and he’s struggling right now. Would Smoaks offensive numbers still project to be good playing at Safeco?

  23. dont give up holland. give up harden, smoak or davis, beltre, and salty for lee and branyan if we give up smoak.

  24. diehardmets 5 years ago

    If the M’s are looking for an MLB power bat, what about Nick Evans? I know he’s not a blue chip prospect or anything, but he has had some success and showed some pop in his few stints in the majors. Just a thought.

    • Abraham Zapruder 5 years ago

      seriously? Nick Evans? Seriously?

      • diehardmets 5 years ago

        I’m not saying he’d headline the deal. But perhaps accompanying Mejia, he would fulfill the MLB ready bat part of the M’s demands.

      • diehardmets 5 years ago

        I’m not saying he’d headline the deal. But perhaps accompanying Mejia, he would fulfill the MLB ready bat part of the M’s demands.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      Evans is a throw-in at best.

  25. diehardmets 5 years ago

    If the M’s are looking for an MLB power bat, what about Nick Evans? I know he’s not a blue chip prospect or anything, but he has had some success and showed some pop in his few stints in the majors. Just a thought.

  26. baseball52 5 years ago

    I don’t think the White Sox really have the guns for Lee. I mean they have some good prospects, Hudson, Viciedo, and Santos, but no one that really strikes me as cornerstone. Beckham is the closest thing to that, and I still think he will be VERY good but I doubt they’ll give him up.

  27. baseball52 5 years ago

    I don’t think the White Sox really have the guns for Lee. I mean they have some good prospects, Hudson, Viciedo, and Santos, but no one that really strikes me as cornerstone. Beckham is the closest thing to that, and I still think he will be VERY good but I doubt they’ll give him up.

  28. dawgpaddlez 5 years ago

    anyone think the mariners would have interest in lucas duda as a complimentary piece in a deal…the dude has been on a home run tear in AAA for mets affiliate and was having a pretty good half a season in AA before getting the promotion..granted he’s not much a prospect but his numbers in AAA cant be ignored..i remember a couple of years back some prospect sites were thinking he might have a decent future in majors..he cant be a center piece in a deal but i would think someone with his power numbers on the year thus far cant be too far from at least being a very good platoon options on a major league roster

    • atlantaspike 5 years ago

      I can very easily ignore 76 AAA AB’s that look nothing like the rest of the minor league track record, and I’ll bet the Mariners can too.

    • atlantaspike 5 years ago

      I can very easily ignore 76 AAA AB’s that look nothing like the rest of the minor league track record, and I’ll bet the Mariners can too.

  29. dawgpaddlez 5 years ago

    anyone think the mariners would have interest in lucas duda as a complimentary piece in a deal…the dude has been on a home run tear in AAA for mets affiliate and was having a pretty good half a season in AA before getting the promotion..granted he’s not much a prospect but his numbers in AAA cant be ignored..i remember a couple of years back some prospect sites were thinking he might have a decent future in majors..he cant be a center piece in a deal but i would think someone with his power numbers on the year thus far cant be too far from at least being a very good platoon options on a major league roster

  30. BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

    “though we’re not accustomed to seeing them give up lots of talent at the deadline.”

    We’re also not accustomed to them having a 20 mil a year contract.

  31. BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

    “though we’re not accustomed to seeing them give up lots of talent at the deadline.”

    We’re also not accustomed to them having a 20 mil a year contract.

  32. ferg1025 5 years ago

    I’m a reds fan, I want Lee in a reds uni. But if Jon Daniels gives up Smoak in any deal for a rental ace then they should take him. Walt Jocketty can’t match nor would I want him to.

  33. ferg1025 5 years ago

    I’m a reds fan, I want Lee in a reds uni. But if Jon Daniels gives up Smoak in any deal for a rental ace then they should take him. Walt Jocketty can’t match nor would I want him to.

  34. budman3 5 years ago

    If the Mariners are interested in getting multiple ML “ready” players, maybe the would be interested in getting young ML players with experience. The Rays could offer a 24 year old Wade Davis who was a top prospect in all of the minors last year and has now added a decent frist half of the season(with some ups and downs) and a 25 year old power type hitter in Matt Joyce, who hit 12 HR’s in half a season with the Tigers and is getting good AB’s now with the Rays. That alone and maybe a mid-prospect would be a nice haul for the Mariners.

    • Why would the Rays give up Wade Davis for a half season of Cliff Lee. Wade Davis projects to be at least a mid Rotation pitcher for the rays for the next 6 years. He has good stuff and is cheap for the rays which is needed for the Rays to compete with the yankees and the Red Sox. The will never be able to resign Lee so giving up Davis + for 2 months of Lee just isn’t worth it. Besides the Rays need a big bat more than they do a pitcher

      • budman3 5 years ago

        Because this may be their best chance to “go for it” with a team that will probably lose Crawford and Pena this winter. The Rays have waves of pitchers in their system ready to replace Lee next year, including Hellickson who is blocked as it is right now. If they get Lee they could easily go out and get a RH bat to be their DH, like Jose Guilllen for next to nothing.

        • Desmond Jennings can replace Crawford next year and Pena hasn’t been all that good. It is easier to find a replacement first baseman than it is to find a cheap middle of the rotation pitcher for the next five years. The rays should make the playoffs anyway. Lee doesn’t guarantee them the WS so i wouldn’t sacrifice future seasons for an unsure thing. I think that the Rays with Lee would still have trouble getting by the yankees in the ALCS.

          • raffish 5 years ago

            I’ll tell you what Kevin, if I go out and buy a bunch of penny stocks I’ll consider letting you manage them. But as for an MLB team, I’m gonna pass.

            For what future seasons are you waiting to make your big move? When all the stars align and they’re way out in front of the Yanks and Sox? When all those big slugging prospects reach the majors and produce at the same time? Now is as good a time as any.

            Bottom Line: You go for it. Not necessarily ‘whatever the cost’ go for it, but you put your neck out and endure a little pain when you have a chance to win big. The Rays can take the Wade Davis hit. They’ll be just fine whatever the outcome.

        • aap212 5 years ago

          Crawford and Pena are not the most significant parts of the team. It’s not their best chance at anything. Let them walk.

  35. budman3 5 years ago

    If the Mariners are interested in getting multiple ML “ready” players, maybe the would be interested in getting young ML players with experience. The Rays could offer a 24 year old Wade Davis who was a top prospect in all of the minors last year and has now added a decent frist half of the season(with some ups and downs) and a 25 year old power type hitter in Matt Joyce, who hit 12 HR’s in half a season with the Tigers and is getting good AB’s now with the Rays. That alone and maybe a mid-prospect would be a nice haul for the Mariners.

  36. think there is any interest in Chad Tracy AND Davis + pitching? two bats, but we keep smoak and not give up a blue chip pitcher.

  37. If the Reds are able to land Cliff Lee it puts them in a great position to win the Central and perhaps the pennant.

    Potentially the Reds could add two quality arms to an already potent and dangerous team. Add Cliff Lee to the Front end of the Rotation and in some capacity add Arodlis Chapman to the back of the rotation or the bullpen.

    A second coming of David Price perhaps… Chapman hits triple digits on the radar gun and is left handed.

  38. invader3k 5 years ago

    link to blog.prorumors.com

    I hope this is not true. Lee going to the Yankees would be sick.

  39. bamf9 5 years ago

    Yankees apparently about to get cliff lee, depending on the other prospects I’m not happy or sad about the trade, but man I’m going to miss Jesus

  40. CrustyJuggler 5 years ago

    Main was already dealt to SF. And there’s quite a big dropoff when talking about Smoak and Davis.

    With Smoak I think Seattle would be lucky to get one other B-level guy. With Davis they should expect him to be the 2nd piece to a larger deal.

  41. Gunner65 5 years ago

    I think its stupid for most mid and small market teams … some mid market teams are better prepared to absorb the loss of prospects then others though. But small market teams … just can’t afford it IMO

  42. aap212 5 years ago

    They don’t have a good offer to bluff. No combination of Flowers, Viciedo, Hudson, and Danks is enough, and they won’t trade Beckham.

  43. aap212 5 years ago

    They don’t have a good offer to bluff. No combination of Flowers, Viciedo, Hudson, and Danks is enough, and they won’t trade Beckham.

  44. Both are the same player IMO. Both have power, both strike out a lot, both have OBP’s about 100 points higher than their average. Only difference for me is, Crush is the better defensive player.

  45. Both are the same player IMO. Both have power, both strike out a lot, both have OBP’s about 100 points higher than their average. Only difference for me is, Crush is the better defensive player.

  46. BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

    Smoak is probably completely unavailable. Chris Davis can be had, however.

    And i don’t think there’s any if about it. The M’s do not want a liability like Harden.

  47. BaseballFanatic0707 5 years ago

    Smoak is probably completely unavailable. Chris Davis can be had, however.

    And i don’t think there’s any if about it. The M’s do not want a liability like Harden.

  48. aap212 5 years ago

    Why do the Mets want Harden?

  49. aap212 5 years ago

    Why do the Mets want Harden?

  50. the only way i see giving up smoak is with a extension for the rangers before the trade is done and harden moving to make payroll..

    Rangers – Lee (w/Extension)
    Mariners – Smoak, Kiker.

    i really dont see why anyone should give up 2 blue chips like Holland/Smoak for 1/2 year of lee when itll come back to bite you when we play the mariners over 20 games a year….

  51. You’re right. Davis is the better defensive player. Why is it that so many people on these blogs contend that Smoak is the better defensive player? I mean, right now, it’s not even close. Chris Davis is a much better defensive first baseman at this stage of their careers and anyone who has seen the two play would agree.

  52. You’re right. Davis is the better defensive player. Why is it that so many people on these blogs contend that Smoak is the better defensive player? I mean, right now, it’s not even close. Chris Davis is a much better defensive first baseman at this stage of their careers and anyone who has seen the two play would agree.

  53. aap212 5 years ago

    Then what’s the trade?

  54. aap212 5 years ago

    Then what’s the trade?

  55. coachofall 5 years ago

    Mr. Davis time to understand your son is nothing more than a AAAA calibar player. I have watched both players (actually thought your son looked more comfortable at 3rd than First). I am not a Ranger fan, nor do a care about Seattle, however reality is Smoak is a budding star with very projectable talent. Davis is a poor mans Russell Branyon (AT BEST). Smoak will not be traded in a rental deal.

  56. coachofall 5 years ago

    Mr. Davis time to understand your son is nothing more than a AAAA calibar player. I have watched both players (actually thought your son looked more comfortable at 3rd than First). I am not a Ranger fan, nor do a care about Seattle, however reality is Smoak is a budding star with very projectable talent. Davis is a poor mans Russell Branyon (AT BEST). Smoak will not be traded in a rental deal.

  57. Ichiroll 5 years ago

    Chris Davis in his career has never had a positive UZR… While he may appear fancy to the naked eye, everything he does that’s flashy, he does simply because he’s that bad at ranging to the ball. Appearance isn’t everything, it’s what’s behind the curtains that matters the most. Smoak, in his brief time in the bigs, has done very well at 1B — I’d go as far as saying Smoak is the better defensive player.

  58. Ichiroll 5 years ago

    Chris Davis in his career has never had a positive UZR… While he may appear fancy to the naked eye, everything he does that’s flashy, he does simply because he’s that bad at ranging to the ball. Appearance isn’t everything, it’s what’s behind the curtains that matters the most. Smoak, in his brief time in the bigs, has done very well at 1B — I’d go as far as saying Smoak is the better defensive player.

  59. aap212 5 years ago

    UZR doesn’t work on first basemen yet. I like Smoak better, but don’t go by UZR.

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