Heyman On Haren, Oswalt, Lilly, Piniella

One GM tells Jon Heyman of SI.com that there are plenty of complementary pieces available on the trade market, but few impact players. That echoes what Theo Epstein said earlier in the week: there’s not a ton of All-Star caliber talent available at the moment. Here's what Heyman is reporting on the market for starting pitchers:

  • One general manager hears that interim GM Jerry DiPoto is asking for two starters plus bullpen help in exchange for Dan Haren. Wow.
  • Another GM says every member of the D’Backs is available “except Justin Upton and maybe Ian Kennedy.”
  • No team appears willing to commit to the $25MM or so remaining on Roy Oswalt’s contract. Some GMs believe Oswalt wants his 2012 option picked up at $16MM if he is traded.
  • A few GMs believe the Mets make sense as a destination for Ted Lilly.
  • One GM doesn’t get the impression that the Blue Jays would move young starters like Shaun Marcum.
  • People connected to the Cubs expect manager Lou Piniella to retire after the season when his contract expires. Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg could replace Piniella as Cubs skipper.


103 Responses to Heyman On Haren, Oswalt, Lilly, Piniella Leave a Reply

  1. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    wait, the two starters and BP help, are they referring to 2 minor league starters and BP help or 2 guys already in the majors.

    • icedrake523 5 years ago

      If the latter, I’m sure the Mets could spare John Maine and Oliver Perez.

  2. aap212 5 years ago

    Would the Tigers pony up Turner, Oliver, and one of their young flamethrowers?
    Would the Cardinals pony up Miller, Garcia, and Sanchez?
    Would the Reds pony up (pick ’em)?
    Would the Twins pony up a package headlined by Gibson?

    I have no idea where teams’ threshold for pain is in terms of their farm systems.

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      i can tell you right now that Garcia alone is an overpay for haren.

      • jwredsox 5 years ago

        A pitcher with a low K rate whose early season success was due to high high GB rate which has since lowered? A pitcher who strikes out only 7.2 per game and has as low of a GB% as he has had recently doesn’t have much upside in the majors. Plus he is walking over 3 per game too. Point: It isn’t overpay.

        • Ferrariman 5 years ago

          im confused who is the pitcher with the low K rate? surely ur not referring to shelby miller who is “only” striking guys out at a 12.7k/9 inning clip. and that was before yesterday when he had a 5ip line with 8 K’s.and it cant be eduardo sanchez who is also striking out guys at a 9.4K/9inning clipwho is this mystery person??and u can’t seriously be faulting a guy coming off TJ surjery to be perfect in his first year back, can you? besides, Garcia is cost controlled for a long long time. while haren makes over 10million a year.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            Yes I’m faulting Jaime. Not that I expect him to be perfect but he can’t still be feeling the affects of TJ surgery, he wouldn’t be pitching if he did.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            ok fine, fault a rookie. shows how much patience you have.

            but please inform me who those other mystery players you were referring to were.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            All of those were about Jaime

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            ok fine, fault a rookie. shows how much patience you have.

            but please inform me who those other mystery players you were referring to were.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            Yes I’m faulting Jaime. Not that I expect him to be perfect but he can’t still be feeling the affects of TJ surgery, he wouldn’t be pitching if he did.

        • Ferrariman 5 years ago

          im confused who is the pitcher with the low K rate? surely ur not referring to shelby miller who is “only” striking guys out at a 12.7k/9 inning clip. and that was before yesterday when he had a 5ip line with 8 K’s.and it cant be eduardo sanchez who is also striking out guys at a 9.4K/9inning clipwho is this mystery person??and u can’t seriously be faulting a guy coming off TJ surjery to be perfect in his first year back, can you? besides, Garcia is cost controlled for a long long time. while haren makes over 10million a year.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        And I could tell you right then that Haren alone was an overpay for Mulder. God Bless America!

    • Dermick 5 years ago

      it would probably be Lance Lynn instead of Jaime Garcia

      • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

        The D’Backs would, and should, say no to that.

    • Dermick 5 years ago

      it would probably be Lance Lynn instead of Jaime Garcia

    • Turner AND Oliver? No. How about Galarraga and Oliver?
      Want Dan Schlereth back?
      Galarraga, Oliver, and Schlereth for Haren and Drew?
      Substitute any position player prospect for any of the above.

      • Dermick 5 years ago

        why would someone want a 28 year old righty who hasn’t been really successful?

      • jdub220 5 years ago

        No thanks.Galarraga… well, he isn’t good. Has been putting up an xFIP over 5 for two years now.And Schlereth… he walks everybody. That’s why we traded him away in the first place.Galarraga, Oliver, and Schlereth isn’t enough for Haren, let alone Haren and Drew.Why would the D’Backs trade Haren, an ace, for a #5 starter/long reliever, a good but not great pitching prospect, and a reliever?

      • jdub220 5 years ago

        No thanks.Galarraga… well, he isn’t good. Has been putting up an xFIP over 5 for two years now.And Schlereth… he walks everybody. That’s why we traded him away in the first place.Galarraga, Oliver, and Schlereth isn’t enough for Haren, let alone Haren and Drew.Why would the D’Backs trade Haren, an ace, for a #5 starter/long reliever, a good but not great pitching prospect, and a reliever?

      • aap212 5 years ago

        Galarraga is a back of the rotation starter. Yes, Turner and Oliver. Turner hasn’t done anything in pro ball yet. If a rental of Cliff Lee gets Smoak AND Beavan, then a locked up below market Haren should net AT LEAST that.

      • aap212 5 years ago

        Galarraga is a back of the rotation starter. Yes, Turner and Oliver. Turner hasn’t done anything in pro ball yet. If a rental of Cliff Lee gets Smoak AND Beavan, then a locked up below market Haren should net AT LEAST that.

    • ToledoFan 5 years ago

      Turner, Oliver and say Weinhardt would be doable.

      The question is, what would the Dbacks think is fair to get Drew?

      • aap212 5 years ago

        I still think the Tigers would have to get really creative to get both Diamondbacks. It’d be a huge package. Turner, Oliver, one of the big young relief arms, and Sizemore maybe?

      • aap212 5 years ago

        I still think the Tigers would have to get really creative to get both Diamondbacks. It’d be a huge package. Turner, Oliver, one of the big young relief arms, and Sizemore maybe?

  3. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    I agree with that one GM who thinks it`s unlikely Jays will move Marcum. It would have to take a really blow-me-away offer to acquire Marcum. Jays staff is too young and inexperienced and Marcum is a great young pitcher who is a great mentor for the kid and he is awesome in the clubhouse.

    Next year may be a possibility though.

    • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

      Agreed. He has the most experience (albeit 81 starts) out of anyone in the rotation.

  4. Homer Bailey, (pick from Matt Maloney, Matt Klinker, Sam Lecure), and (pick from Enerio Del Rosario, Nick Masset, Daniel Herrera, or Jared Burton)

  5. Homer Bailey, (pick from Matt Maloney, Matt Klinker, Sam Lecure), and (pick from Enerio Del Rosario, Nick Masset, Daniel Herrera, or Jared Burton)

  6. PujolsHollidayWestbrook 5 years ago

    There isn’t a team in baseball that would pay that if it is the way it sounds. Especially if they are having to take on Haren’s contract as well. The Cardinals don’t have the goods to get him. I would be much happier to look at other D-Backs, especially Stephen Drew. What about Stephen Drew and Rodrigo Lopez for Brenden Ryan, Lance Lynn, Fernando Salas, Daryl Jones, and maybe lower level guy? What do you think?

  7. PujolsHollidayWestbrook 5 years ago

    There isn’t a team in baseball that would pay that if it is the way it sounds. Especially if they are having to take on Haren’s contract as well. The Cardinals don’t have the goods to get him. I would be much happier to look at other D-Backs, especially Stephen Drew. What about Stephen Drew and Rodrigo Lopez for Brenden Ryan, Lance Lynn, Fernando Salas, Daryl Jones, and maybe lower level guy? What do you think?

  8. nnother1 5 years ago

    From TFA:
    “2. Joakim Soria, Royals, relief pitcher. It’s a long shot that he’ll go anywhere… But if he becomes available — and that’s a big “if” — it’ll be a feeding frenzy.”

    You could write the same thing about Mariano Rivera.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      Yes but Mariano isn’t going to be traded while there is a chance Soria will.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      Yes but Mariano isn’t going to be traded while there is a chance Soria will.

    • PileOfSandwich 5 years ago

      what “feeding frenzy” would there really be for an aged over rated closer really?

      • lol, overrated? I don’t think so.

        • He is so overrated, when i was watching the all-star game the announcers kept saying that if it was a close game to the end the NL had a chance to win because no Mariano to close it out, I mean come on there are plenty of other players that could close a game its just BS to give him that much attention and saying you cant win because hes not pitching is a joke.

          • PileOfSandwich 5 years ago

            They treat him like a god, but he has choked more times then I can count. He WAS amazing…. like 10 years ago. Now he is just living off of what he used to be. Don’t be a homer he is an average reliever now.

          • bjsguess 5 years ago

            Dude – I can only hope that you are joking.

            Rivera hasn’t posted a FIP above 3 since 2000. Right now he is sitting at 2.27 with an ERA just a bit over 1. How is that overrated?

            Rivera has been just as crucial to Yankee success over the past 15 years as Jeter or Posada. The guy is an absolute stud. And this is coming from a Yankee hater.

          • bjsguess 5 years ago

            Dude – I can only hope that you are joking.

            Rivera hasn’t posted a FIP above 3 since 2000. Right now he is sitting at 2.27 with an ERA just a bit over 1. How is that overrated?

            Rivera has been just as crucial to Yankee success over the past 15 years as Jeter or Posada. The guy is an absolute stud. And this is coming from a Yankee hater.

          • Sleepykarl 5 years ago

            Trivia, what pitcher holds the record for the best career ERA+? Overrated closers are guys like Feliz and recent Papelbon.

          • Sleepykarl 5 years ago

            Trivia, what pitcher holds the record for the best career ERA+? Overrated closers are guys like Feliz and recent Papelbon.

          • BentoBox 5 years ago

            If my team have a reliever that is as reliable as Mo, I’d treat him like a God too.

          • BentoBox 5 years ago

            If my team have a reliever that is as reliable as Mo, I’d treat him like a God too.

          • PileOfSandwich 5 years ago

            They treat him like a god, but he has choked more times then I can count. He WAS amazing…. like 10 years ago. Now he is just living off of what he used to be. Don’t be a homer he is an average reliever now.

          • icedrake523 5 years ago

            Rivera isn’t overrated. He’s not in his prime anymore, but he’s still the best closer in the game. There’s no one I would rather have as my team’s closer.

          • I understand and completely agree he is in fact the best closer, but what i am trying to say is that people cant just say that just because Mariano is not pitching your team has zero chance to win. Come give other people in the game credit they are all stars for a reason?

          • I understand and completely agree he is in fact the best closer, but what i am trying to say is that people cant just say that just because Mariano is not pitching your team has zero chance to win. Come give other people in the game credit they are all stars for a reason?

        • He is so overrated, when i was watching the all-star game the announcers kept saying that if it was a close game to the end the NL had a chance to win because no Mariano to close it out, I mean come on there are plenty of other players that could close a game its just BS to give him that much attention and saying you cant win because hes not pitching is a joke.

    • PileOfSandwich 5 years ago

      what “feeding frenzy” would there really be for an aged over rated closer really?

  9. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    Ted Lilly would be perfect for the Mets! Fly ball pitchers play well at Citi Field. He can play under intense scrutiny- Cubs fans are rough and tough on players, and they love him. He’s a fierce competitor who won’t wilt in the bright lights. He’s only under contract for the rest of the year, easy to let go, or if he does well, you get a leg up on bringing him back.

    He is so perfect for the Mets, I’d say Minaya is negligent if he DOESN’T at least attempt to bring him in.

    • oleosmirf 5 years ago

      I agree but it depends what they want in return…even though he is a type A, im not willing to give up Mejia, Thole, Flores, Havens or Nieuwenhuis.

    • oleosmirf 5 years ago

      I agree but it depends what they want in return…even though he is a type A, im not willing to give up Mejia, Thole, Flores, Havens or Nieuwenhuis.

  10. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    Let me add here, after looking at what the D’Backs are asking for Dan Haren, I’d say he’s really not available. That’s what the D’Backs are telling you by their demands, he’s yours ONLY if you make us an offer we can’t refuse.

    He’s still under contract for 2 more years; the D’Backs can always but him out there next year or the year after too.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      Unless they’re setting the bar really high and would be happy with something a tick below that if that’s the best they can get.

    • aap212 5 years ago

      Unless they’re setting the bar really high and would be happy with something a tick below that if that’s the best they can get.

  11. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I’m some what proud of the pitcher IPK has become in AZ. Obviously, the NL West is very condusive to his ability. I don’t think he would’ve faired the same in the AL East. Most surprisingly is the fact that the kid with the much maligned 90 mph fastball gas managed to amass a nifty 8 ko/per 9 rate and is sandwhiched in between some pretty good company (Latos and Jiminez). Good for you IPK. Oddly, of the three big Yankee prospect pitchers from 2007 (Hughes, Joba and IPK), the one with the best pure stuff is the one struggling the most right now (Joba). I truly think the Yankees messed things up by moving him back and forth. I’m almost willing to send him down to the minors for a month or so and let him regain his confidence.

  12. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I’m some what proud of the pitcher IPK has become in AZ. Obviously, the NL West is very condusive to his ability. I don’t think he would’ve faired the same in the AL East. Most surprisingly is the fact that the kid with the much maligned 90 mph fastball gas managed to amass a nifty 8 ko/per 9 rate and is sandwhiched in between some pretty good company (Latos and Jiminez). Good for you IPK. Oddly, of the three big Yankee prospect pitchers from 2007 (Hughes, Joba and IPK), the one with the best pure stuff is the one struggling the most right now (Joba). I truly think the Yankees messed things up by moving him back and forth. I’m almost willing to send him down to the minors for a month or so and let him regain his confidence.

  13. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Shocked on Oswalt … only been saying that for a few months. You either get a team to assume the entire contract (which will include the option) OR you pick up a portion of the contract and get some decent talent back. No way someone pays all the freight on Oswalt AND pays for talent.

    The DBacks must not realize that Haren is not the same guy this year as he has been in years past. That nifty 4.36 ERA is the highest of his career since 2004. He has been unlucky as FIP is showing a more generous 3.74. In any event, a team is not going to assume all of Haren’s contract + give up 2 ML Starters + another ML talent. Simply won’t happen. Way too steep of a price for Haren.

    And Kennedy is untouchable? The guy has a FIP near 5. Once his BABIP regresses you are looking at a pitcher with an ERA in the 4.5 range. Not bad, especially at league minimum, but hardly untouchable.

  14. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Shocked on Oswalt … only been saying that for a few months. You either get a team to assume the entire contract (which will include the option) OR you pick up a portion of the contract and get some decent talent back. No way someone pays all the freight on Oswalt AND pays for talent.

    The DBacks must not realize that Haren is not the same guy this year as he has been in years past. That nifty 4.36 ERA is the highest of his career since 2004. He has been unlucky as FIP is showing a more generous 3.74. In any event, a team is not going to assume all of Haren’s contract + give up 2 ML Starters + another ML talent. Simply won’t happen. Way too steep of a price for Haren.

    And Kennedy is untouchable? The guy has a FIP near 5. Once his BABIP regresses you are looking at a pitcher with an ERA in the 4.5 range. Not bad, especially at league minimum, but hardly untouchable.

  15. I’d love the mets to try to get a 3 way trade with the cubs and another team that would need an outfielder. Then maybe they can unload franceour if hes even worth anything and let Pagan play.

  16. I’d love the mets to try to get a 3 way trade with the cubs and another team that would need an outfielder. Then maybe they can unload franceour if hes even worth anything and let Pagan play.

  17. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Dan Haren is still an excellent pitcher. He simply has gone thru a rough start. Since June over the course of 8 starts he’s avg’d 7 IP and 2.5 ER. His walk to ko rate is still excellent (2nd in the NL behind Halladay) and his Ko/9 is still amongst the best (8th in the NL). Factor in that a team can have him for 3 years at less than market value (assuming he returns to TOR status) thru his 30, 31 and 32 age then 2 starting pitching prospects and a reliever seems reasonable.

  18. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Dan Haren is still an excellent pitcher. He simply has gone thru a rough start. Since June over the course of 8 starts he’s avg’d 7 IP and 2.5 ER. His walk to ko rate is still excellent (2nd in the NL behind Halladay) and his Ko/9 is still amongst the best (8th in the NL). Factor in that a team can have him for 3 years at less than market value (assuming he returns to TOR status) thru his 30, 31 and 32 age then 2 starting pitching prospects and a reliever seems reasonable.

  19. Why the hesitation to trade prospects who dream of growing up to be like Dan Haren, when you can have the real deal? Prospects are just that. Two blue chippers is too much, though, if they’re not picking up any salary in the deal.

    For Oswalt, the Strohs still have to eat some salary if they expect more than a couple of B level prospects back. As a fan, I’d rather my owner pay the full salary and keep the prospects.

  20. Gumby65 5 years ago

    So, with no ground to stand on, Oswalt can “demand” a trade AND demand his next team pick up his option. Brilliant!

    • bjsguess 5 years ago

      Oswalt isn’t demanding a trade (from what I’ve read). Instead he gave permission for the Astros to look for a trade partner. As for having his option picked up – that’s pretty standard for guys who have a NTC. It’s compensation for them waiving the right to be traded.

    • bjsguess 5 years ago

      Oswalt isn’t demanding a trade (from what I’ve read). Instead he gave permission for the Astros to look for a trade partner. As for having his option picked up – that’s pretty standard for guys who have a NTC. It’s compensation for them waiving the right to be traded.

  21. Gumby65 5 years ago

    So, with no ground to stand on, Oswalt can “demand” a trade AND demand his next team pick up his option. Brilliant!

  22. dc21892 5 years ago

    It still confuses me why teams don’t want to take on Oswalts contract. He’s a proven ace. I believe Lilly would be a good fit for the Mets but as all Mets fans know, one more arm will not cut it, they need a Lilly-Carmona type package somehow. Whether it’s a 3 team trade or two separate trades the Mets need arms. And the asking price for Haren? Seems too high since he’s having an OKAY year.

    • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

      It still confuses me why teams don’t want to take on Oswalts contract.

      It’s just how the baseball economics are now. Rarely do you see the ridiculous contract be offered anymore, unless it’s the Yankees who they have even tamed a bit.

      • dc21892 5 years ago

        The rich continue to get richer though, so I’m not sure that’s so true. If the big market clubs had a serious need they’d take it on.

        • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

          A few teams have been interested apparently. Oswalt keeps playing the “won’t accept a trade to…” game.

          • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

            I actually meant to reply to dc21892’s original post…

          • HerbertAnchovy 5 years ago

            I actually meant to reply to dc21892’s original post…

        • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

          I do agree with that, but to use the Yankees again because Steinbrenner was a genius as a business man, he dumped in a ton of money into the payroll and gained so much money back that if the economy crumbled, they would have a large net to fall in to.

          This is actually a perfect example because when the economy did crash, they signed Teixeira, Burnett and Sabathia to insane contracts because of drawing in billions starting in the late 90’s.

      • dc21892 5 years ago

        The rich continue to get richer though, so I’m not sure that’s so true. If the big market clubs had a serious need they’d take it on.

    • Encarnacion's Parrot 5 years ago

      It still confuses me why teams don’t want to take on Oswalts contract.

      It’s just how the baseball economics are now. Rarely do you see the ridiculous contract be offered anymore, unless it’s the Yankees who they have even tamed a bit.

  23. dc21892 5 years ago

    It still confuses me why teams don’t want to take on Oswalts contract. He’s a proven ace. I believe Lilly would be a good fit for the Mets but as all Mets fans know, one more arm will not cut it, they need a Lilly-Carmona type package somehow. Whether it’s a 3 team trade or two separate trades the Mets need arms. And the asking price for Haren? Seems too high since he’s having an OKAY year.

  24. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    In reading the article I’m going to assume that they want two mlb ready starting pitchers and maybe a pitcher already in the majors pitching out of the pen but not already and established closer.

    Factoring in the 2013 option, Haren is signed for a reasonable price at 3/40 mil, especially if he continues to pitch well in 2010 and returns to form from beginning to end in 2011-2013.

    Maybe the Tigers can work out a deal for Haren:

    Phil Coke (Possible future closer w/ 2 years exp).
    Rick Porcello (Starter w/ mlb experience. Was probably rushed).
    Andrew Oliver (drafted in 2nd rnd in 2009. Debuted in AA in 2010 and has made 4 starts in mlb this year).

    Detroit needs a solid #1/#2 to go along with Verlander and to compete against the Sox and Twins this year. With Verlander, Haren, Bonderman, Galarraga and Scherzer they might be able to go deep in the playoffs.

    • dc21892 5 years ago

      Porcello would make a potential deal interesting. I like the idea you have but the Tigers would probably have to throw in another lower prospect or two.

      • Andy_B 5 years ago

        If I’m the Tigers, no way do I give up Porcello for Haren

      • Andy_B 5 years ago

        If I’m the Tigers, no way do I give up Porcello for Haren

    • gamaize 5 years ago

      Coke isn’t going anywhere.

      Tigers have already lost Zumaya and Coke has been an integral part of the pen so no way he leaves.

    • gamaize 5 years ago

      Coke isn’t going anywhere.

      Tigers have already lost Zumaya and Coke has been an integral part of the pen so no way he leaves.

  25. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    In reading the article I’m going to assume that they want two mlb ready starting pitchers and maybe a pitcher already in the majors pitching out of the pen but not already and established closer.

    Factoring in the 2013 option, Haren is signed for a reasonable price at 3/40 mil, especially if he continues to pitch well in 2010 and returns to form from beginning to end in 2011-2013.

    Maybe the Tigers can work out a deal for Haren:

    Phil Coke (Possible future closer w/ 2 years exp).
    Rick Porcello (Starter w/ mlb experience. Was probably rushed).
    Andrew Oliver (drafted in 2nd rnd in 2009. Debuted in AA in 2010 and has made 4 starts in mlb this year).

    Detroit needs a solid #1/#2 to go along with Verlander and to compete against the Sox and Twins this year. With Verlander, Haren, Bonderman, Galarraga and Scherzer they might be able to go deep in the playoffs.

  26. studio179 5 years ago

    “People connected to the Cubs expect manager Lou Piniella to retire after the season when his contract expires. Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg could replace Piniella as Cubs skipper.”

    No brainer, really. Lou had his run. Obviously, the Cubs will not have to pay Sandberg over 3MM they are paying Pinella and saves some money. I would rather see Sandberg as the bench coach for a year or two and then get the manager’s job. Bringing in a strong manager for a couple years will be difficult knowing he is grooming his replacement. It’s doubtful anyone with credentials would do that. When they bring in Sandberg, they better have a good bench coach in place to have another voice.

  27. studio179 5 years ago

    “People connected to the Cubs expect manager Lou Piniella to retire after the season when his contract expires. Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg could replace Piniella as Cubs skipper.”

    No brainer, really. Lou had his run. Obviously, the Cubs will not have to pay Sandberg over 3MM they are paying Pinella and saves some money. I would rather see Sandberg as the bench coach for a year or two and then get the manager’s job. Bringing in a strong manager for a couple years will be difficult knowing he is grooming his replacement. It’s doubtful anyone with credentials would do that. When they bring in Sandberg, they better have a good bench coach in place to have another voice.

  28. dire straits 5 years ago

    Isn’t anyone gonna say it? Who are all these “GM’s”, and why are they stating the obvious?

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      I think these “GM’s” are general managers.

      • dire straits 5 years ago

        Oh, really? You want a like for that one? Here ya go!

  29. dire straits 5 years ago

    Isn’t anyone gonna say it? Who are all these “GM’s”, and why are they stating the obvious?

  30. If thats what they want, the Phillies should give them Happ, Kendrick (or Carpenter) and Werth, plus a relief prospect. Who cares. That’s a great deal. I think it’s smart.

  31. If thats what they want, the Phillies should give them Happ, Kendrick (or Carpenter) and Werth, plus a relief prospect. Who cares. That’s a great deal. I think it’s smart.

  32. Hmm?

    By that logic…Blanton Moyer and Baez for Haren. xD

  33. Hmm?

    By that logic…Blanton Moyer and Baez for Haren. xD

  34. I forget, but at the time it seemed like a good decision not to do it. And I still believe it was.

  35. aap212 5 years ago

    Hughes. They’re happy to have Hughes and C.C. instead of Santana, much as I love Johan.

  36. aap212 5 years ago

    Hughes. They’re happy to have Hughes and C.C. instead of Santana, much as I love Johan.

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