Odds & Ends: Sandberg, Nationals, Padres, Bautista

On this date in 1978, the Pirates purchased Cito Gaston from the Braves and the outfielder went on to play his last two major league games in a Pirates uniform (believe it or not, future managers Ken Macha, Phil Garner and Jim Fregosi also played on that Pirates team). When this season ends, Gaston will step down as Blue Jays manager, but he'll do so with a pair of World Series rings and at least 885 wins to his name. Here are today's links…


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  1. moonraker45 5 years ago

    I highly doubt bautista’s stellar season would have happened on the pirates regardless.

    • $3513744 5 years ago

      that’s not really the point of the article-he may or may not have done this for the pirates. the point is no one knows, and no one could’ve predicted he would have had such success.

      however, the point being is this is just another mistake by the pirates, who only shot themselves in the foot because of their own egos. it’s an interesting point on the matter actually, especially given the fact that organization has been so stellar lately. he’s just pointing out the fact that maybe they need to re-evaluate how they think as well. his comments seemed pretty harmless, and to trade a guy for comments like that seems to be quite an over-reaction.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        They didn’t trade him for comments, they traded him for lack of ability

        and it only becomes ‘just another mistake’ as you put it, if he goes somewhere else and excels, if he stays on the pirates and retires with a season high 16 hrs, and a lifetime .240 avg, then its not a mistake.

        • $3513744 5 years ago

          the point of that article was suggesting that he wasn’t just traded for his lack of talent. that’s what i’m commenting on. you’re right, it’s not just “another mistake” if he goes else where and succeeds, but the point is that if the story is true, it’s an absolutely ridiculous reason to have traded him and would only demonstrate further poor management by this club.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            Or it could be philosophy. Not many teams preach no patience and pull every ball you see. They changed his mechanics for this approach and he is showing it works for him. But this wouldn’t have happened with some other teams. Not saying that the Bluejays approach is better (in fact it would hurt some players) but to say it was poor management of the Pirates is wrong.

          • they don’t preach no patience especially in the case of Bautista. Bautista has almost 100 walks this year.

      • foxtown 5 years ago

        Please explain why the Pirates have been a “stellar” organization recently. Last time I checked, they are still one of the worst MLB clubs. If you’re being sarcastic, please use the “/sarcasm” thing until Disqus gets some kind of sarcasm emoticons.

        • Gumby65 5 years ago

          For some good fun, google “the onion pittsburgh pirates” for some nice parody articles.

  2. basemonkey 5 years ago

    Either way, considering Bautista’s phenomenal season, you have to feel for the Pirates. It’s like they’re snakebit. They held onto him for a while, like many guys they’ve held onto who carry the “potential” moniker, only to see him explode as soon as he leaves.

    • $3513744 5 years ago

      i probably would agree with you if it were any other team. but the pirates don’t strike me as an organization dedicated to winning. you can just look at their recent history to see that. and if the story is true, there’s no reason to feel sorry for them since it was their own doing. a reasonable person should have thicker skin than that.

      i feel sorry for are the guys who put their hearts and souls into the game and get treated like this by them. not to mention the fans, who are the ones that have had nothing to look forward to for 18 years now.

    • coolstorybro222 5 years ago

      I get a feeling a HGH suspension is in his future.

  3. iains 5 years ago

    So, does this mean Cito should manage the Pirates for two games before packing it in?

  4. BlueCatuli 5 years ago

    Sandberg anywhere but the north side of Chicago would be a huge disappointment.

    • Gumby65 5 years ago

      Was going to post pretty much those same exact words.

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      I don’t know much about him, mind sharing some info?

      • BlueCatuli 5 years ago

        He is the Pacific Coast league manager of the year, he is arguably the best second baseman to play the game, he is one of the most beloved Cubs, he was arguably the best player in the NL if not MLB while he was playing. He should be the top choice to succeed interim manager Mike Quade (who should be named bench coach as Alan Trammell just takes up space).

        Disclaimer: Notice I said arguably and left room for discussion. To leave his name out of the discussion would just not be fair to the talent pool itself.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          Thanks, appreciate it.

          Man AA is going to have a tough job to do to pick a manager. Some many candidates…

  5. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    When did Gaston announce he was stepping down?

    • shockey12 5 years ago

      He signed a contract for a front office job that starts after the season over earlier this year.

      • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

        Ok, that makes sense because I could have sworn everyone was overjoyed with his work in Toronto.

        • Sniderlover 5 years ago

          Lol fans hate Cito. At some level, me too just because how poorly he’s used Arencibia and Snider (well actually he hasn’t used them as much) and his line-ups are horrible. I mean for god sake, Snider is leading off. Should a slugger who project to be middle of the power hitter ever lead off? I realize we have no legit leadoff but Escobar could fill in nicely. He hits for a good average and gets on base which are the qualities you are looking for (and speed). And some of the lineups where McCoy is used over Snider because there is a lefty on the mound and obviously McCoy and his minor league career will hit better vs lefties.

          His use, well over use of Tallet is absolute non-sense.

          • start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

            Eh, ok, then I haven’t been paying attention… I do remember he was warmly received last season.

  6. jwredsox 5 years ago

    Blue Jays fans, could you please answer my question? The Blue Jays have this hit the ball as hard as you can type mentality. I know they didn’t have it under their old manager (who preached patience) so was the change Cito Gaston’s philosophy? Because if so and the team goes for another patience guy that can have big affects on Jays hitters like Bautista.

    • ellisburks 5 years ago

      Cito is a pretty decent batting coach. Has helped a lot of players like Alomar, Olerud etc. But he is a terrible manager. Better than Gibbons, don’t get me wrong, but not a great manager. I know he won in 92-93 but if you look at the talent he had on those teams and the money spent you know why they won. Caston cannot manage a bull pen and as mentioned by Sniderlover, it boggles the mind sometimes when you see his line-ups.

      As to the above question, I think as good a hitting instructer Cito is, the offence of the Blue Jays was pretty awful. When you have a team OBP of .312 that is not good enough. They could have been better than 9th in runs if they had more than Bautista that could get on base better than a .330 clip. Just think, if Lind or Hill or Lewis got on even 35% of the time how much more RBI oppertunities Bautista could have had!

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      Shouldn’t change Bautista approach at all actually. Bautista is a very patient hitter and is 2nd among the league in walks. He is a good hitting coach but I think the hitting coach deserves more credit but Cito does as well. They both helped him change his swing and Bautista has never looked back.

      EDIT: I like the fact this team bashes homeruns but to compete with the best, you need to have balance. Look at Yankees, Red Sox and Rays for example, they can hit homeruns and they get on base, they steal, they play small ball in the right situations which is what you need. Not too much small but not too much just bashing homeruns. Other than Bautista and perhaps Escobar, this team cannot get on base to save their life.

      I remember one game this year where they hit 6 solo homeruns and lost, lol.

    • Sniderlover 5 years ago

      Shouldn’t change Bautista approach at all actually. Bautista is a very patient hitter and is 2nd among the league in walks. He is a good hitting coach but I think the hitting coach deserves more credit but Cito does as well. They both helped him change his swing and Bautista has never looked back.

      EDIT: I like the fact this team bashes homeruns but to compete with the best, you need to have balance. Look at Yankees, Red Sox and Rays for example, they can hit homeruns and they get on base, they steal, they play small ball in the right situations which is what you need. Not too much small but not too much just bashing homeruns. Other than Bautista and perhaps Escobar, this team cannot get on base to save their life.

      I remember one game this year where they hit 6 solo homeruns and lost, lol.

  7. I would hate to see Sandberg manage else where. Though I would like to see how he would do with a young team that looks like it’s going to be good for the future. What I’ve heard from life after Lou is Hendry haspn his list.Don Wakamatsu- Fired from Seattle after a year in a half. 127-147. NO!Ryne Sandberg- Cubs legend would be loved more than Lou. Mike Quade – 18-8 since Lou retired. Looks to be better then a 3rd base coachJoe Girardi- Former Cub. Has a W.S. w/NYY. People said he would like to manage the Cubs.Bob Brenly- I love him in the booth. Has a W.S. w/ARI. Has seen the Cubs the last 6 years knows what he’s talking about. I would like to see what he can do as a manager, but Len Kasper is annoying and Bob needs to be up there with him. I’m 50/50 on this.Freddy Gonzalez- Already dismissed the idea. I just have him cause Hendry talked to him.

  8. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    Lol he is the one taking a shot at Bautista over something that hasn’t been proven and Bautista has said he’s been tested 4 times over the course of season randomly and he’s passed.

    You are an epic fail. Post less.

  9. Andy Mc 5 years ago

    That hurts coming from a Tigers fan! hehe.

  10. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    17 years is a long time and right now, I don’t even know world series are… or even playoffs. It’s been that dry here.

    But like I said, I don’t hate him completely. He’s done ever since he’s returned and really made us into a legit power hitting team but his managing is awful. Buck is playing and Arencibia is riding the pine because Buck has to hit 20 homers and until he does, Arencibia will not see playing time, lol. Usage of Snider is terrible, Tallet, his line-ups are so bad sometimes that even a clueless baseball fan can make a better one.

    Not saying he doesn’t deserve credit for what he’s done but in a rebuilding year, you don’t play minor leaguers like McCoy for future potential stars like Snider and perhaps Arencibia which is why most fans hate him but they acknowledge what’s he done.

  11. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    Is there any Jays fan expecting 50? Heck what is this? First player hitting 50 since 07? It’s not that easy.

    I do expect him to hit 25-35 HR in the future. I don’t know if you’ve seen him or not but if you do, you can see why it isn’t a fluke.

  12. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    He was great last september as well. And there have been people who are known to develop late in their careers. Bautista is a late bloomer who just needed the right opportunity and playing time.

    Compare his swings in the previous year to this year. You will see a big difference.

  13. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    What? Bautista is 29, not in his 30’s. Pena broke out at the same age as Bautista to give you a comparison.

  14. Sniderlover 5 years ago

    What? Bautista is 29, not in his 30’s. Pena broke out at the same age as Bautista to give you a comparison.

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