Odds & Ends: Ellsbury, Pirates, Soto, Drew

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fitz
4 years 11 months ago

I really don’t understand all the desire to deal Ellsbury. If the Sox add Werth or Crawford (unlikely) then make Mike Cameron a 4th OF then their outfield will be pretty solid.

redsox4120
4 years 11 months ago

Better yet, who do the Mets have that the Red Sox want?

Montero1220
4 years 11 months ago

Hypothetically : Jose Reyes, Jason Bay, David Wright, Carlos Beltran.

Of course it’s highly unlikely that the Red Sox and Mets make a deal involving any of the aforementioned players. However if they do the Mets would have to eat alot of salary and the Red Sox would have to give up at least two B prospects.

But I really can’t see anything happening. But I can see the Red Sox being interested in those Mets players especially because they fill holes in their team (SS, 3B, LF, CF). And the Mets could certainly use a better leadoff hitter like Ellsbury with a good OBP and speed but I doubt the Sox will be willing to give up one of the best leadoff men in the AL after one injury plagued season.

But whatevs.

adropofvenom
4 years 11 months ago

“Hypothetically : Jose Reyes, Jason Bay, David Wright, Carlos Beltran.

Of course it’s highly unlikely that the Red Sox and Mets make a deal involving any of the aforementioned players. However if they do the Mets would have to eat alot of salary and the Red Sox would have to give up at least two B prospects.”

I’m pretty sure there aren’t too many people opposed to dealing Bay or Beltran right about now. That’s pretty much the only way such a deal would make sense anyways since the Mets starting OF is pretty set with Bay, Beltran, and Pagan. One would need to go to make room for Ellsbury, hypothetically.

“But I really can’t see anything happening. But I can see the Red Sox being interested in those Mets players especially because they fill holes in their team (SS, 3B, LF, CF). And the Mets could certainly use a better leadoff hitter like Ellsbury with a good OBP and speed but I doubt the Sox will be willing to give up one of the best leadoff men in the AL after one injury plagued season.”

Mets already have 2 leadoff men as good, if not better then, Ellsbury in Reyes and Pagan.

4 years 11 months ago

Jason Bay has negative trade value though, and Beltran is pretty close to negative. Even though Ellsbury’s value has taken a hit, he is more valuable of a commodity than Beltran and Bay. The David Wright thing is a possibility, I could see them deal Ellsbury and more for Wright if they don’t re-sign Beltre.

adropofvenom
4 years 11 months ago

Except there’s 0.0% chance the Mets would shop Wright.

4 years 11 months ago

This is the Mets we’re talking about. Even if the chance is 0.1%, there is a chance.

4 years 11 months ago

Ells doesen’t have a good OBP. His high is .355 over a minnimum of 100 games
played, it’s average at best but, It’s an upgrade over Reyes at leadoff.

adropofvenom
4 years 11 months ago

Reyes OBP 2006-present

.354, .354, .358, .355, .322

Other then this year, he’s always been in that range himself (And it seems safe to think this year is an outlier based on how much time he’s missed over the last year and a half). So how is it an upgrade?

4 years 11 months ago

Because Reyes has recurrent health issues while this is the only season Ellsbury has been injured. Besides Jose is bound to decline fast since he’s older+health issues.

alphabet_soup5
4 years 11 months ago

It has yet to be seen if Ellsbury has recurrent health issues.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

@montero1220

What about Ellsbury for Beltran straight up with the Mets eating most of his salary?

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

I doubt it. Ellsbury is cheap and should fully recover from his rib injuries after a full offseason. Beltran is a bigger question mark.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

What? How is Beltran a bigger question mark? Ellsbury has virtually missed the whole season while Beltran has played since the break so doesn’t that make ellsbury the bigger question mark? What makes you think that Beltran won’t have a comeback season next year? And if both are healthy, beltran is a better player while Ellsbury has more speed and will hit arbitration for the first time this off-season.

4 years 11 months ago

Beltran is older and had problems with his knee. Ellsbury broke his ribs in a collision. Simply put, knee problems linger, rib problems don’t.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Okay, but what makes you sure that beltran isn’t finally healthy? Ellsbury’s been back but reinjured himself 3 twice.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Because he got brought back maybe a little too early. An entire offseason is more than enough time for the ribs to fully heal and be good as new. Broken bones (when given time) don’t linger. And I’d rather have ellsbury the next 3 years than Beltran for 1.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Point about the injury is, you can say that anybody will recover 100 after an off-season of recovery.

But you just said something that convinced me to agree with you…Beltran is a free agent after next season. So maybe the deal needs to be a little bit sweeter for the Sox.

The Mets have some decent prospects in Kirk Nieuwenhius, Brandon Moore, Jheurys Familia, and Mark Cohoon just to name a few. I wonder if the Mets eat some salary, a trade of Beltran and Parnell for Ellsbury, Drake Britton, and Reynaldo Rodriguez will do.

Potrzeba
4 years 11 months ago

This guy named David wright. Other than that nothing.

lefty177
4 years 11 months ago

i’d be scared to see Ellsbury on 2nd base & Reyes on 1st base because then they’d probably both score on a single!

4 years 11 months ago

ellsbury to the mets? i dont see it. no one’s going to take beltran unless the mets eat most of his salary, and then what’s even the point of trading him? i really hope they wouldn’t involve reyes or wright in any deal where jacoby ellsbury is the main return, and i doubt that bay’s going anywhere for now, considering that contract and the fact that his stock is ridiculously low right now. bay, beltran, and pagan is going to be the mets’ outfield next year, unless they unload beltran for basically nothing

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 11 months ago

The only player the Mets have who the Sox would want or consider for Ellsbury is Wright. Boston would have to sweeten the deal a little to make it happen though!

SoxFan99
4 years 11 months ago

A deal like Wright, Beltran for Ellsburry, Lowrie, Pimentel, Anderson, Reddick, Lavarnway, A first round draft pick, Sox and Mets Split Beltran’s Salary. Mets would have outfield of Ellsburry, Bay, Pagan, Would have Lowrie to fill in at second, Reddick forth outfielder, Anderson, Pimentel and Larvanway can help in future, Sox get two power hitters and dont have to over pay beltre. Left to Right, Kalish, Beltran, Drew,— Infield- Wright, Scutero, Pedrioa, Youk, Martinez Catching, Ortiz DH… Both Sides win in trade. SOx win right away, Mets win in years to come

Coreno
4 years 11 months ago

no. ….. just, no.

redsox4120
4 years 11 months ago

Only in Omar Minaya’s dreams. No way Theo would part with that much young talent in return for basically just David Wright. Beltran’s knees are done, he should just retire.

4 years 11 months ago

the funny thing is you’re completely serious

4 years 11 months ago

oh here it goes…

bleachercreature
4 years 11 months ago

yeah, great well thought out trade over there. anyone else going to the mets? I would laugh if anything close to this happens.

icedrake523
4 years 11 months ago

Teams can’t trade draft picks.

4 years 11 months ago

wth were you smoking when you wrote that proposal?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

@zachary heffernan

No.

4 years 11 months ago

I’d imagine the Braves would have some interest in Ellsbury if he were to become available.

Just_MLB
4 years 11 months ago

the mets love players who are injury prone, it gives them the perfect excuse to give to their fans !
I see the mets trading for ellsbury and signing ben sheets to be their opening day starter !

icedrake523
4 years 11 months ago

Why do the Mets want Ellsbury? He’s a worse version of Jose Reyes who plays a position they have the most depth at. And it’s not as if Ellsbury is 3-4 years younger than Reyes.

Jessamynn
4 years 11 months ago

I had to look it up but — unbelievably — you’re right. They’re actually both 27.

Seems like Reyes has been around forever.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

I’d do any deal with the Mets that includes Beltran as long as it involves the Sox sending Lackey or Dice-K back to them.

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

Why would it involve Lackey? Possibly due to a high dollar contract on a iffy player at best that Minaya didn’t give out and he wants all of those types for himself?

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Why send Dice-K for a 4th OFer? Dice-K actually has value.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

Well, so we have room to sign Lee, duh! 😉 J/k

4 years 11 months ago

As long as the Mets are dreaming, they may as well ask for a pony.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Seriously though, the Royals should inquire on Ellsbury. Maybe, this might be a deal where Billy Butler could be moved. There was some talk that since they may not want to pay him a big salary because he is one dimentional and Hosmer is 1 year away, they might trade him…Do I think they should? No…But it’s something to think about. They could re-sign Wilson Betemit for a season and when Eric Hosmer is ready, Hosmer takes over…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

I know. I was just bringing that up. I actually really like the idea of Ellsbury on pretty much any team.