Poll: Will Boston Re-Sign Beltre?

Earlier this evening, Brian MacPherson of The Providence Journal wondered if Adrian Beltre will figure into Boston's plans this offseason.  The third baseman, who will earn just $10MM for his outstanding play in 2010, is seeking a multi-year commitment in his next deal.  Beltre has exceeded all expectations this year by turning in a .326/.369/.563 slash line with 27 homers and a strong defensive play (15.1 UZR/150) at third.

The Red Sox would obviously love to have Beltre back but he may very well command more money and years on the open market than they would be willing to yield.  Tim Dierkes believes that the Scott Boras client may seek $50MM over four-years at the outset of this offseason.  And, as Ben Nicholson-Smith pointed out, there are plenty of potential suitors who could up the bidding for his services.  If Theo Epstein & Co. feel that Beltre is too rich for their blood, they could turn over the third baseman gig to either Jed Lowrie or Kevin Youkilis (if a new first baseman is found).  Of course, there would still be a void to fill in the absence of the 31-year-old Beltre.

Will Boston re-sign Adrian Beltre?

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4 years 11 months ago

Beltre took a very small deal from boston, and rebuilded his value. He may be 31, but if he can keep in shape, and keep his work ethic, he could be worth those 4 years.

4 years 11 months ago

Beltre took a very small deal from boston, and rebuilded his value. He may be 31, but if he can keep in shape, and keep his work ethic, he could be worth those 4 years.

j6takish
4 years 11 months ago

Detroit loves Scott Boras, and Scott Boras loves Detroit

4 years 11 months ago

Pitcher’s park doesen’t love Scott Boras hitter, Scott Boras hitter doesen’t love pitcher’s park.

j6takish
4 years 11 months ago

It’s probably his last big contract, doesn’t matter as long as it’s a ton of money. Brandon Inge sucks, Scott Boras clients put butts in the seats, and Mike Illitch doesn’t mind overpaying for premier (sometimes..sometimes not) players.

j6takish
4 years 11 months ago

It’s probably his last big contract, doesn’t matter as long as it’s a ton of money. Brandon Inge sucks, Scott Boras clients put butts in the seats, and Mike Illitch doesn’t mind overpaying for premier (sometimes..sometimes not) players.

4 years 11 months ago

Pitcher’s park doesen’t love Scott Boras hitter, Scott Boras hitter doesen’t love pitcher’s park.

4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, you’d be a fool to think Beltre would go to another pitcher’s park. He’s going to be looking for a hitter’s park on a contending team, hmm… sounds like Boston. 3y/43m is what I would offer if I was Theo, paying 12.5, 14.5, 16m. That would be enticing to Beltre as well setting him up for another big contract payout being only 34-35 if all goes well.

4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, you’d be a fool to think Beltre would go to another pitcher’s park. He’s going to be looking for a hitter’s park on a contending team, hmm… sounds like Boston. 3y/43m is what I would offer if I was Theo, paying 12.5, 14.5, 16m. That would be enticing to Beltre as well setting him up for another big contract payout being only 34-35 if all goes well.

4 years 11 months ago

and Dombrowski hates free agents. Not a single position player has signed a multi year contract with the Tigers as a free agent since Ordonez before the 2005 season.

j6takish
4 years 11 months ago

Detroit loves Scott Boras, and Scott Boras loves Detroit

redsox4120
4 years 11 months ago

It’d be great to see him come back to a healthy Red Sox team with a good pen and a shot at winning the East or Wild Card. I don’t know why, and please don’t crucify me for being optimistic, but I think both VMart and Beltre will be back next season.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 11 months ago

I don’t think V-Mart will be back, from watching some sox games, specifcally Beckett and Lackey at least to my POV, they are not on the same page with V-Mart’s game plan behind the plate. Both of those guys body language is not good and they seem to be very frustrated, They are obviously both struggling regardless, but it makes you wonder if it would be better to let him go.

The_Porcupine
4 years 11 months ago

I think the Sox have been trying to focus more on pitching and defense, which leads me to expect VMart going elsewhere (especially since Papi is staying).

The_Porcupine
4 years 11 months ago

I think the Sox have been trying to focus more on pitching and defense, which leads me to expect VMart going elsewhere (especially since Papi is staying).

4 years 11 months ago

couldn’t agree more with you sadly. I love V-Marts bat, but the difference when Varitek is behind the plate and V-Mart is behind the plate as far as the pitcher’s confidence go are completely different. Not in V-Marts favor.

ColoradoKurt
4 years 11 months ago

I hope you’re right. I think it’s a real possibility if Theo doesn’t play hardball with two of Boston’s most productive assests. I’d like to see Dice-K traded, despite alot of promise and some amazing games, he’s just too inconsistent. We’re stuck with Beckett and Lackey and can only hope they rebound. One more starter would be, obviously be great. The pen has to improve. Alot of work this off-season Theo, hope you’re up for it.

ColoradoKurt
4 years 11 months ago

I hope you’re right. I think it’s a real possibility if Theo doesn’t play hardball with two of Boston’s most productive assests. I’d like to see Dice-K traded, despite alot of promise and some amazing games, he’s just too inconsistent. We’re stuck with Beckett and Lackey and can only hope they rebound. One more starter would be, obviously be great. The pen has to improve. Alot of work this off-season Theo, hope you’re up for it.

redsox4120
4 years 11 months ago

It’d be great to see him come back to a healthy Red Sox team with a good pen and a shot at winning the East or Wild Card. I don’t know why, and please don’t crucify me for being optimistic, but I think both VMart and Beltre will be back next season.

bigpupp
4 years 11 months ago

I just don’t see it. Next years draft has an enormous amount of talent and it will most likely be the last draft without a hard slot. For the Red Sox this means the most picks they have, the better. Beltre may or may not be worth the enormous contract he will sign but he certainly won’t be worth the enormous contract PLUS the two top of the organization talents they could receive.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

They will still get picks from victor martinez likely unless the sign both. And is letting Beltre walk for 2 picks worth the risk of a team with a protected first round pick getting him?

bigpupp
4 years 11 months ago

In my opinion, yes.

At worst they will get a supplemental pick and a 2nd-3rd round. Best case is like what happened with Wagner (which is a team with the 16-20 pick signs him). I just think we’ve seen this before with Theo, countless times he has passed up the opportunity to buy high on someone when picks can be had. The strength of this years draft class just makes that decision all the easier to make.

The_Porcupine
4 years 11 months ago

You express some sound logic. Theo always try to stay ahead of the game abit and he’s been focusing more and more on the draft in recent years.

The_Porcupine
4 years 11 months ago

You express some sound logic. Theo always try to stay ahead of the game abit and he’s been focusing more and more on the draft in recent years.

bigpupp
4 years 11 months ago

In my opinion, yes.

At worst they will get a supplemental pick and a 2nd-3rd round. Best case is like what happened with Wagner (which is a team with the 16-20 pick signs him). I just think we’ve seen this before with Theo, countless times he has passed up the opportunity to buy high on someone when picks can be had. The strength of this years draft class just makes that decision all the easier to make.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

They will still get picks from victor martinez likely unless the sign both. And is letting Beltre walk for 2 picks worth the risk of a team with a protected first round pick getting him?

bigpupp
4 years 11 months ago

I just don’t see it. Next years draft has an enormous amount of talent and it will most likely be the last draft without a hard slot. For the Red Sox this means the most picks they have, the better. Beltre may or may not be worth the enormous contract he will sign but he certainly won’t be worth the enormous contract PLUS the two top of the organization talents they could receive.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

Let Beltre walk for the draft pics. Move Youkilis to third for 2 years. Trade for (then sign for 5-6 years) Fielder to play first. Sign Papi to DH for two years. When Papi is gone, move Fielder to DH and Youkilis to 1st. By then, hopefully, an internal 3rd baseman will develop. (Lowrie, Middlebrooks?)

Let VMart walk for the draft pics. Sign Werth and Varitek and work on the bullpen.

Ellsbury (L)
Pedroia (R)
Ortiz (L)
Youkilis (R)
Fielder (L)
Werth (R)
Drew (L)
Scutero (R)
Saltalamacchia (S)

If I really wanted to dream, I’d rather the Sox get Crawford instead of Werth, and wish that they’d try to somehow trade for Matt Kemp or Colby Rasmus, while dealing Ellsbury. But I would be happy with Werth and Fielder and bullpen help.

4 years 11 months ago

Your lineup and spelling blows!

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

Actually that line up is pretty damn good and the only words I misspelled are “picks” and “Scutaro”. What’s your excuse for spelling “home” wrong in your Twitter feed? Doesn’t look too “prodigal” to me.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

Actually that line up is pretty damn good and the only words I misspelled are “picks” and “Scutaro”. What’s your excuse for spelling “home” wrong in your Twitter feed? Doesn’t look too “prodigal” to me.

4 years 11 months ago

Im just curious what would your package to get Kemp look like?

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

It would probably be too much. Just daydreaming because I had read that he may have been a little disgruntled there at one point. Not sure of the Dodgers’ needs but sure it would take at least 2-3 of our top prospects+. Loney hasn’t shown much pop, so Rizzo may interest them. If they want pitching, Casey Kelly is our top prospect. He got roughed up a bit this year, but he’s young for the league. I expect him to look a little better next year.

I’m sure the cost in prospects would be prohibitive, but if there was a chance to buy low on him, I would hope they would at least look into it. Same thing with Rasmus, but sure his price would be higher.

Are you an LAD fan? What would you expect in return?

4 years 11 months ago

I don’t think the price for Kemp would be as high as you think. I would think at most it’s one top prospect. He is signed for a very cheap number next year, but he also has one year of arbitration left going into 2012 where, assuming he plays like he is capable of, he is due a very large raise before hitting free agency. Given the fact that you are really only getting one year of true undermarket salary, followed by at most a 20% discount, I think 2 or certainly 3 top prospects is too much for the Dodgers to reasonably expect.

4 years 11 months ago

Yes I’m a Dodger fan. I don’t really know what Kemp’s value is at this point thats why I was curious as to what you saw it as.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

I’d have to say his value is still very high. But with him having a down year and him publicly showing some displeasures with the Dodgers, now could be the only time to get him at somewhat of a discount. Think it would still take a decent prospect or two, including someone major league ready. I’d be interested in what could get Kemp and Broxton and hope a change of scenery would be good for both.

4 years 11 months ago

Yes I’m a Dodger fan. I don’t really know what Kemp’s value is at this point thats why I was curious as to what you saw it as.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

It would probably be too much. Just daydreaming because I had read that he may have been a little disgruntled there at one point. Not sure of the Dodgers’ needs but sure it would take at least 2-3 of our top prospects+. Loney hasn’t shown much pop, so Rizzo may interest them. If they want pitching, Casey Kelly is our top prospect. He got roughed up a bit this year, but he’s young for the league. I expect him to look a little better next year.

I’m sure the cost in prospects would be prohibitive, but if there was a chance to buy low on him, I would hope they would at least look into it. Same thing with Rasmus, but sure his price would be higher.

Are you an LAD fan? What would you expect in return?

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 11 months ago

Werth would tear it up in fenway, I would fear him more than crawford as a yanks fan

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

And I’d fear Crawford in NY. I don’t like facing him.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

And I’d fear Crawford in NY. I don’t like facing him.

chowdah219
4 years 11 months ago

I think you have to include ryan kalish in the OF discussion..

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

Certainly, I see him replacing Drew after next year, but I think he may spend another 1/2 season in Pawtucket for seasoning purposes.

Royal_Assbadger
4 years 11 months ago

Let Beltre walk for the draft pics. Move Youkilis to third for 2 years. Trade for (then sign for 5-6 years) Fielder to play first. Sign Papi to DH for two years. When Papi is gone, move Fielder to DH and Youkilis to 1st. By then, hopefully, an internal 3rd baseman will develop. (Lowrie, Middlebrooks?)

Let VMart walk for the draft pics. Sign Werth and Varitek and work on the bullpen.

Ellsbury (L)
Pedroia (R)
Ortiz (L)
Youkilis (R)
Fielder (L)
Werth (R)
Drew (L)
Scutero (R)
Saltalamacchia (S)

If I really wanted to dream, I’d rather the Sox get Crawford instead of Werth, and wish that they’d try to somehow trade for Matt Kemp or Colby Rasmus, while dealing Ellsbury. But I would be happy with Werth and Fielder and bullpen help.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

I think the Red Sox are starting to reach a point where they should invest in more solid, predictable offensive players and stay away from the gambling tent. Beltre, as nice as he has been this year, is playing completely out of his normal level.

If they were to invest 50 mil over 4 years and he lives up to his career avgs, it will be a huge disappointment…

andrewyf
4 years 11 months ago

You mean stop making moves like signing Beltre to a 1-year deal?

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

I think there is a big difference between a low-risk move (which that deal was) and locking up a player who has not shown consistency offensively for 4 years…

Taking a flier on Beltre to play third this year was a no lose situation. It was a one year deal, low money, and if it did not work out they are not tied down for multiple years..

What exactly was your point?

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

I think there is a big difference between a low-risk move (which that deal was) and locking up a player who has not shown consistency offensively for 4 years…

Taking a flier on Beltre to play third this year was a no lose situation. It was a one year deal, low money, and if it did not work out they are not tied down for multiple years..

What exactly was your point?

andrewyf
4 years 11 months ago

You mean stop making moves like signing Beltre to a 1-year deal?

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

Will that be worse than having Lowrie be our starting third baseman? Because he’s pretty much the next option. Or maybe Miguel Tejada…man, these names sound SO much better than an overpaid Beltre…oh wait…

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

Or we can sign/trade for a quality 1B and move Youk to 3B…Or did you forget about that?

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

Oh, no I didn’t actually. I just think that that is not really a viable option. Our farm system only has a few trade chips that would interest teams like the Brewers, and those guys (Kelly) have so far been untradeable. The only guy Epstein would trade for would be A-Gon, and at this point in his contract Theo would require basically a guaranteed contract extension before making the deal. And again, he won’t give up his prime talent.

Oh, and the simpler reason: I think its time for Youkilis to stop shifting around and play 1B. His defense is diminishing at third as he plays it less often, and as he’s getting older. Beltre will be guaranteed to have stronger defense at 3B, and will still have solid numbers for that position.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

I think the facade that Kelly is untradable will disappear this off-season. With 4 spots of the rotation locked up and potential free agents in the coming years, trading a pitcher such as Kelly for an everyday 1B (not sure who, Gonzalez doesn’t seem likely) would be the smart business decision. Also – Kelly really is not as good as everyone is making him out to be…

I don’t think signing Beltre for 4 years is warranted, especially considering that Youk can play third. Granted he isn’t as solid at 3B – he still isn’t a slouch. If the possibility of acquiring a 1B presents itself, the Red Sox should look to that route.

I just have bad feelings about locking up another 10+ mil player who doesn’t really serve as a middle of the order bat. The Sox desperately need that middle of the order bat and addressing it should be priority #1.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

Ok, so I agree that Kelly may become available. I also am not sure who would play 1B, if its not AGon, which is one reason I don’t think a move’ll happen. The next big guy who’d be on the market would be Prince Fielder, but Boston cannot be excited about his possible health issues and weak defense. That’s the kind of player that loses his skills early in his career.

Sure he’s not a slouch, but I think there’s also the risk than in a couple of years Youk may need to move back to 1B or DH, and that could be a problem down the road if we get a new 1B.

And lastly; do the Red Sox -really- need a middle of the order bat? Before the AAA team really took over, we had the best (or very close to) offense in the majors. It’s a very balanced lineup, and they proved in the first half that you -can- score a lot of runs with out a big bopper in the middle. Without injuries, our 3-4-6 hitters (Youk Papi Beltre) would all have 30+ home runs. Sure there’s no 45 homer guy, but that’s a lot of middle-of-the-lineup power. I think the Sox will have one of the best lineups even without adding a big bat. When healthy, I think our infield is one of the strongest offensively.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

Maybe it’s me, but I’m not exactly excited about the idea of Ortiz and Beltre being my 4 and 5 hitters. Ortiz can’t hit LHP and is 37 next year (don’t look at his birth certificate, it’s a lie) and Beltre will not give us this years line next year.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Yes Ortiz is 37, Miguel Cabrera is 34, Jesus Montero is 30, and Chapman is 29. Watch out for those foreign old guys!!!

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

Maybe it’s me, but I’m not exactly excited about the idea of Ortiz and Beltre being my 4 and 5 hitters. Ortiz can’t hit LHP and is 37 next year (don’t look at his birth certificate, it’s a lie) and Beltre will not give us this years line next year.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

Will that be worse than having Lowrie be our starting third baseman? Because he’s pretty much the next option. Or maybe Miguel Tejada…man, these names sound SO much better than an overpaid Beltre…oh wait…

MCMLXXVII
4 years 11 months ago

Beltre is NOT playing out of his normal level. His stats in Seattle only indicate that. I won’t say the real Beltre is the one from 2004 either. If you take a look at the splits from 2007, 2008, and this year, I think it’s pretty obvious.

HOME 07: .264/.319/.426 with 25 XBH
AWAY 07: .288/.320/.538 with 44 XBH

HOME 08: .240/.303/.400 with 24 XBH
AWAY 08: .292/.349/.512 with 31 XBH

HOME 10: .322/.365/.529 with 28 XBH
AWAY 10: .330/.373/.596 with 42 XBH

Career at Safeco field: .252/.305/.406
Career at Fenway Park: .297/.352/.476

He’s not going back to a pitchers park. I can say that much. I would venture to guess that his home XBH’s are low this year because of the Green monster.

ugotrpk3113
4 years 11 months ago

I think the Red Sox are starting to reach a point where they should invest in more solid, predictable offensive players and stay away from the gambling tent. Beltre, as nice as he has been this year, is playing completely out of his normal level.

If they were to invest 50 mil over 4 years and he lives up to his career avgs, it will be a huge disappointment…

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

I would take Beltre over Werth that was posted above and even with Beltre as a Boras client and Werth without and agent for the time being, Werth is going to cost more in the off season. Not to mention 3B is much more of a priority need next season over the OF and that glove of his alone is nearly priceless. Toss aside (no pun intended) the errors he makes.. His range and foot work at 3B alone and keeping Youk at 1B and get him to put up 2/3 of what he did this year IMO would be worth 4/50M.

Tim, I can’t see Boras this off season getting “just” 50M either that have seen mentioned also, or if he has to “settle” for that it’s going to be very late in the off season before he signs. Boston would also probably be where his ends up then if Oakland was already willing to give him 3/36M last year and he was coming off an injury and mediocre for the couple previous seasons.

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

I would take Beltre over Werth that was posted above and even with Beltre as a Boras client and Werth without and agent for the time being, Werth is going to cost more in the off season. Not to mention 3B is much more of a priority need next season over the OF and that glove of his alone is nearly priceless. Toss aside (no pun intended) the errors he makes.. His range and foot work at 3B alone and keeping Youk at 1B and get him to put up 2/3 of what he did this year IMO would be worth 4/50M.

Tim, I can’t see Boras this off season getting “just” 50M either that have seen mentioned also, or if he has to “settle” for that it’s going to be very late in the off season before he signs. Boston would also probably be where his ends up then if Oakland was already willing to give him 3/36M last year and he was coming off an injury and mediocre for the couple previous seasons.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 11 months ago

I could very well be wrong, but I think Beltre WANTS to return to Boston next year. He loves the fans, the clubhouse and the hitting-friendly Fenway. Boras may be a dollar-whore, but Beltre’s already made $87MM in his career and Beltre makes the decision; not his agent. I believe Adrian would accept a 3 year, $40-45MM deal with incentives and a 4th year option, just to stay here. I believe he’d be worth that kind of money if he just merely achieves his career average slash line and plays above-average defense. To quote the Geico commercial, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Beltre is a PREMIERE level player. What percentage of 1st round draft picks become premiere players? Maybe 5%. The odds are only 1 in 10 that we will eventually get a premiere impact player out of 1 of the 2 draft picks we’d receive as compensation in letting him go. I would advocate aggressively trying to re-sign both Beltre and V-Mart for 3-4 seasons, each.

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

With you pretty much on Beltre, he just puts everything into both sides of the game, regardless of the situation. Martinez may be pretty good on the offensive side for a catcher, but not for what he will be looking for and think Epstein is playing it right with him by letting him test the market. He is just not going to be worth nearly as much to the team as a “catcher” for more than 2 , 3 at the most years. Let him walk if more than 12M per over 3 seasons.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 11 months ago

Long John, I just don’t get the logic of that argument about him being worth more as a catcher. I know you didn’t originate it, because I’ve heard it thrown around ad nauseum everywhere. I did a little contract research on Cots to see what top-end catchers are earning. Here’s what I found:

McCann (ATL) Avg./Yr. in contract $5.2MM; Highest – Option Yr. $12MM
Pierzynsky (CHW) Avg./Yr. $6.1MM; Highest $6.25MM
Suzuki (OAK) Avg./Yr. $4.0MM; Highest $8.5MM
Soto (CHC) Avg./Yr. $4.7MM**/Highest $8.0MM**
Molina (STL) Avg./Yr. $3.9MM/Highest $7.0MM

My point is that basically, we can make V-Mart the highest paid catcher in baseball at a mere $8-9MM per season for 3-4 years and secure our catching future. But at $8-9MM per year, he is also right in line with the going rate for quality 1B/DH guys. We’re paying Youk $10MM per season and Papi $12.5MM right now. So even if Victor can’t catch after 2 more seasons, as long as he can turn in that .300+/- average, with 20 or so homers and 80 or so RBI, he’s still worth the $8-9MM/Yr. we offered him as a 1B/DH player in years 3 and 4 of the deal.

** Proposed contract extension extrapolated here

NOTE: I excluded Mauer, because he’s in a league of his own

Steve_in_MA
4 years 11 months ago

Long John, I just don’t get the logic of that argument about him being worth more as a catcher. I know you didn’t originate it, because I’ve heard it thrown around ad nauseum everywhere. I did a little contract research on Cots to see what top-end catchers are earning. Here’s what I found:

McCann (ATL) Avg./Yr. in contract $5.2MM; Highest – Option Yr. $12MM
Pierzynsky (CHW) Avg./Yr. $6.1MM; Highest $6.25MM
Suzuki (OAK) Avg./Yr. $4.0MM; Highest $8.5MM
Soto (CHC) Avg./Yr. $4.7MM**/Highest $8.0MM**
Molina (STL) Avg./Yr. $3.9MM/Highest $7.0MM

My point is that basically, we can make V-Mart the highest paid catcher in baseball at a mere $8-9MM per season for 3-4 years and secure our catching future. But at $8-9MM per year, he is also right in line with the going rate for quality 1B/DH guys. We’re paying Youk $10MM per season and Papi $12.5MM right now. So even if Victor can’t catch after 2 more seasons, as long as he can turn in that .300+/- average, with 20 or so homers and 80 or so RBI, he’s still worth the $8-9MM/Yr. we offered him as a 1B/DH player in years 3 and 4 of the deal.

** Proposed contract extension extrapolated here

NOTE: I excluded Mauer, because he’s in a league of his own

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

Right, it has been here for months here and pretty much everywhere with regards to VMart and even with his SB% getting some better, still don’t think his overall game will hold in 1-2 years at what it is know, but that is just my own pure speculation also, plus counting on one of the Boston catchers to come up, or another to be found in the mean time.

Do you think that Martinez would be willing even to settle for just 8-9M average over a 4 year deal also is something else, I don’t see that happening either and Youk plays GG caliber defense at 1B gives that back at 1B and out produces Vmart in just about every offensive category every season.

It just all does not add up to one of Epstein’s desperate contracts like the Drew deal did when he was replacing Nixon. Now would I complain? No, but just don’t see it happening.

If a choice here on Epstein looking to sign one of the pair (Beltre/Martinez) and get picks on the other, I would prefer Beltre, reason is they don’t have a replacement near MLB ready in the system even close at 3B yet (other than Lowrie/Youk) and think Salty and ‘Tek could probably handle it for a season, with maybe some help by the end of the season from Exposito if a problem came up.

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

Right, it has been here for months here and pretty much everywhere with regards to VMart and even with his SB% getting some better, still don’t think his overall game will hold in 1-2 years at what it is know, but that is just my own pure speculation also, plus counting on one of the Boston catchers to come up, or another to be found in the mean time.

Do you think that Martinez would be willing even to settle for just 8-9M average over a 4 year deal also is something else, I don’t see that happening either and Youk plays GG caliber defense at 1B gives that back at 1B and out produces Vmart in just about every offensive category every season.

It just all does not add up to one of Epstein’s desperate contracts like the Drew deal did when he was replacing Nixon. Now would I complain? No, but just don’t see it happening.

If a choice here on Epstein looking to sign one of the pair (Beltre/Martinez) and get picks on the other, I would prefer Beltre, reason is they don’t have a replacement near MLB ready in the system even close at 3B yet (other than Lowrie/Youk) and think Salty and ‘Tek could probably handle it for a season, with maybe some help by the end of the season from Exposito if a problem came up.

ehaz
4 years 11 months ago

Not a good comparison. All of those guys except for Pierzynski who is an inferior catcher signed those deals to cover their arbitration years, they weren’t going to be free agents at anytime during those contracts.

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

With you pretty much on Beltre, he just puts everything into both sides of the game, regardless of the situation. Martinez may be pretty good on the offensive side for a catcher, but not for what he will be looking for and think Epstein is playing it right with him by letting him test the market. He is just not going to be worth nearly as much to the team as a “catcher” for more than 2 , 3 at the most years. Let him walk if more than 12M per over 3 seasons.

Steve_in_MA
4 years 11 months ago

I could very well be wrong, but I think Beltre WANTS to return to Boston next year. He loves the fans, the clubhouse and the hitting-friendly Fenway. Boras may be a dollar-whore, but Beltre’s already made $87MM in his career and Beltre makes the decision; not his agent. I believe Adrian would accept a 3 year, $40-45MM deal with incentives and a 4th year option, just to stay here. I believe he’d be worth that kind of money if he just merely achieves his career average slash line and plays above-average defense. To quote the Geico commercial, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Beltre is a PREMIERE level player. What percentage of 1st round draft picks become premiere players? Maybe 5%. The odds are only 1 in 10 that we will eventually get a premiere impact player out of 1 of the 2 draft picks we’d receive as compensation in letting him go. I would advocate aggressively trying to re-sign both Beltre and V-Mart for 3-4 seasons, each.

sherrilltradedooverexperience
4 years 11 months ago

the sox have to have a clause in his contract where he voluntarily allows someone to hurt his ankle (or was it his knee) the way it was in 2004 when he had that mammoth year at dodger stadium no less. His opposite field power that year was out of control (not that that would be helpful in fenway). I’d swear the 2 have something to do with each other.

but maybe he was juicing to try to play through it or recover more quickly since it was his contract year…

sherrilltradedooverexperience
4 years 11 months ago

the sox have to have a clause in his contract where he voluntarily allows someone to hurt his ankle (or was it his knee) the way it was in 2004 when he had that mammoth year at dodger stadium no less. His opposite field power that year was out of control (not that that would be helpful in fenway). I’d swear the 2 have something to do with each other.

but maybe he was juicing to try to play through it or recover more quickly since it was his contract year…

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

I really would like to see Beltre in Boston for the next four years. He seems healthy (although of course that can change in the blink of an eye…there’s always risk though), sure he’s cooling off a bit, but he still looks much more comfortable hitting in Fenway then he did in Safeco. As Gordon Edes mentioned on ESPN, he hit two deep fly balls tonight that ended up being outs; two big reasons why he’s much happier to be playing in Fenway right now. I don’t expect him to keep up this great production, but I -do- hope for higher numbers than his career averages would predict, because of being able to consistently play in a friendly ballpark. Plus, he’s simply the best available third base option right now. I wouldn’t mind overpaying him a bit to keep that position solid, honestly. I have a feeling that in four to five years, unless some kid grows up to take it up, that third base will become our next rotating position. There’s just nothing to look forward to at that slot, in Boston’s farm system at least. Without Beltre that rotating could begin in 2011, and nobody wants that.

I would like to see our infield stay intact, Youk/Pedey/Scutaro/Beltre. Not sure yet whether I prefer taking the risk on V-Mart or taking the risk on Saltalamacchia, but I think those are the two major options right now. Drew and Ellsbury are staying in the outfield next year, which leaves a place for either a big free agent (unlikely), Mike Cameron (…ew…), or maybe a young guy (Kalish?). That’ll be interesting to watch unfold.

Pitching stays the same, except for a couple minor changes in the bullpen. I think Epstein likes to create his bullpen from the farm, plus low-risk/high-reward free agents, and I think he’ll stick with that this year. I’d be surprised if he signed Scott Downs (unless maybe it was to keep him away from someone like New York?)

4 years 11 months ago

Excellent points you bring up right there. Do you think Kalish could be able to start a full season?

Oh and, Scott Downs will not be going to NY. The Yanks have an excellent resigning to do with Kerry Wood and his .42 ERA thus far w/ NY. Joba might be fighting for spot next year(ugh..)and the way Wood has pitched, Cashman would be a fool not to resign him for a one year deal.

Marcos
4 years 11 months ago

This.

The Yanks love building their bullpen from the inside.
And I do hope we resign Wood! But I find it unlikely, he can get a better role and closer money on another team. Although, he might be a bit like Berkman who’s driven by success… who knows.
As for Downs, I’d LIKE to have him, but not at the expense of a draft pick, relievers are too volatile (excluding a guy named Mo, I’ve heard he’s OK. haha) to give away picks, particularly to division rivals.

4 years 11 months ago

Downs is 36 years old next year. He’s also a Type A. I wouldn’t sign him, and neither should Theo unless he wants to overhaul his bullpen. Wood is younger, and I suggest at least 6-7$MM with incentives and maybe an option. Berkman has stated he was there with NY for strictly 2010, no longer. He said he wants to go back with Houston.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

I dunno. I had higher hopes after his strong minor league season plus a good strong start in the majors, but he’s tapered off a bit offensively of late. It would depend on a strong spring training, I would think. He’s got the skills in the outfield, and has great baserunning instincts, and an overall strong feel for the game, he just needs to polish up his bat.

I only mentioned him because out of the three young guys of Kalish, Nava, and Reddick, that Kalish is the most well-rounded player of the trio. Nava can hit, and I think his bat would continue to improve next year, but he looks foolish in the outfield, and plus with some seasoning I think Kalish’s bat could improve to a similar level. And Reddick is looking more and more like a AAAA player, who can mash at AAA but can’t function in the bigs. If Boston sticks with a player within the system for their third outfielder, then I hope its Kalish (maybe Cameron with a strong spring…eh). If not, then maybe they go out and get a guy.

Fangaffes
4 years 11 months ago

I think the Sox will make a serious run at Downs. The bullpen this year was just pathetic and Downs is about a close to reliable as you can find on the market.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

I think otherwise. The bullpen was pathetic, yes, but they already unloaded a couple guys around the deadline, and brought up some guys from the farm who have been effective. I can foresee Bowden and Doubront staying in the bullpen, as well as Bard, Papelbon, and maybe Atchison. Plus, Okie has been a little better since coming back from the DL. He’ll make some small moves, but he’s not going to risk the years/millions on Downs. Sure he’s been reliable, but he’s also what, 36? And reliability runs out eventually, unless your name is Mariano Rivera.

4 years 11 months ago

Agreed. The bullpen would be a good group with Bard, Papelbon, Atchison. I have my doubts on Bowden though, he hasn’t had any control, and has been all over the place. Okajima would probably get non-tendered. Doubront might stay.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

The one question about Doubront I think is whether Boston wants him to return to starting or not. If not, I strongly believe he’ll be an important part of the ‘pen tomorrow. You’re probably right about Bowden, I wouldn’t really know; I’m in Iowa for college and haven’t been able to watch them play for a while. I’m just curious; what do you think about this kid Richardson? I know he’s had control issues as well, but it seems to me that he’s got some good live stuff as well. Might he be useful next year?

I’ve been pleased with our bullpen production since the trade deadline. I’m honestly not as worried about the 2011 bullpen anymore as I was in the first half. There are so many other things going on in the roster that the bullpen issues look pretty minor now. :)

4 years 11 months ago

Dustin Richardson, of course besides the control problems, could be a good middle reliever, maybe a long man because of his size in the future, like Brian Tallet, though hopefully with better control. Has a good mix of pitches and will go offspeed, though that is a working progress, and gets the ball high in the zone and gets puonded. He can stop that by just throwing th ball with control more down in the zone, he can get alot of hitters out with his deceptive delivery, and sink on his fastballs. Working progress, but might be good someday.

As for Doubront he has been the better of the callups, though he needs to work on some mechanics and control. He can start in the future.

4 years 11 months ago

Agreed. The bullpen would be a good group with Bard, Papelbon, Atchison. I have my doubts on Bowden though, he hasn’t had any control, and has been all over the place. Okajima would probably get non-tendered. Doubront might stay.

4 years 11 months ago

Downs is 36 though, and as much as I know Theo Epstein, he’d absolutely hate to give up a draft choice to any team, much more a division rival.

4 years 11 months ago

Downs is 36 though, and as much as I know Theo Epstein, he’d absolutely hate to give up a draft choice to any team, much more a division rival.

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Next year the OF will be Ellsbury, Drew, and Cameron barring a FA signing. No question in my mind. Cameron was hurt all this year and didn’t have a chance to prove anything. Kalish will take over for Drew in 2012.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

Ok, I’ll buy that.

Its possible Kalish gets some playing time next year as well, though, especially if Cameron does show some minor decline due to age. He seems to be getting close to being ready at the major-league level, and if they can get him some extended starting time, they’ll put him in. It would be kind of a drag to have him play a couple months in Boston in 2010, and go back to Pawtucket all year next year (because sitting on the bench would be detrimental to his growth) before popping back up to Boston in 2012. It’s a bit of a confusing situation, I’ll admit…

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah I love Kalish but I think another year of seasoning is needed for him. But I think he is the first long term answer for the Sox if need arises.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

Ok, I’ll buy that.

Its possible Kalish gets some playing time next year as well, though, especially if Cameron does show some minor decline due to age. He seems to be getting close to being ready at the major-league level, and if they can get him some extended starting time, they’ll put him in. It would be kind of a drag to have him play a couple months in Boston in 2010, and go back to Pawtucket all year next year (because sitting on the bench would be detrimental to his growth) before popping back up to Boston in 2012. It’s a bit of a confusing situation, I’ll admit…

jwredsox
4 years 11 months ago

Next year the OF will be Ellsbury, Drew, and Cameron barring a FA signing. No question in my mind. Cameron was hurt all this year and didn’t have a chance to prove anything. Kalish will take over for Drew in 2012.

BoSoxSam
4 years 11 months ago

I really would like to see Beltre in Boston for the next four years. He seems healthy (although of course that can change in the blink of an eye…there’s always risk though), sure he’s cooling off a bit, but he still looks much more comfortable hitting in Fenway then he did in Safeco. As Gordon Edes mentioned on ESPN, he hit two deep fly balls tonight that ended up being outs; two big reasons why he’s much happier to be playing in Fenway right now. I don’t expect him to keep up this great production, but I -do- hope for higher numbers than his career averages would predict, because of being able to consistently play in a friendly ballpark. Plus, he’s simply the best available third base option right now. I wouldn’t mind overpaying him a bit to keep that position solid, honestly. I have a feeling that in four to five years, unless some kid grows up to take it up, that third base will become our next rotating position. There’s just nothing to look forward to at that slot, in Boston’s farm system at least. Without Beltre that rotating could begin in 2011, and nobody wants that.

I would like to see our infield stay intact, Youk/Pedey/Scutaro/Beltre. Not sure yet whether I prefer taking the risk on V-Mart or taking the risk on Saltalamacchia, but I think those are the two major options right now. Drew and Ellsbury are staying in the outfield next year, which leaves a place for either a big free agent (unlikely), Mike Cameron (…ew…), or maybe a young guy (Kalish?). That’ll be interesting to watch unfold.

Pitching stays the same, except for a couple minor changes in the bullpen. I think Epstein likes to create his bullpen from the farm, plus low-risk/high-reward free agents, and I think he’ll stick with that this year. I’d be surprised if he signed Scott Downs (unless maybe it was to keep him away from someone like New York?)