Odds & Ends: Greinke, Marlins, McGwire, Daniels

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JDortmunder
4 years 8 months ago

e’s more to look at than just game day pressure and amenities.

Greinke should consider a nu All players aren’t right for the RS and the RS aren’t right for all players. However…
thermber of things. Terry Francona is one of the easiest guys to play for in this game. And I’m sure Epstein would listen to his concerns. I would imagine the RS are interested given the possibility of other moves.

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4 years 8 months ago

Wonder when the Marlins are going to do what they always do(trade their star players), and trade Josh Johnson and Hanley Ramirez.

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4 years 8 months ago

Wonder when the Marlins are going to do what they always do(trade their star players), and trade Josh Johnson and Hanley Ramirez.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

When are the Marlins going to figure out that Maybin is a ceiling AAAA player. He tears up AAA pitching and is one of the most lost hitters have seen at the plate on the MLB level. This guy is a virtual twin to Emilio Bonifacio, only with a slightly better glove and they continue to give him starting chances because they gave away Donte Willis and Cabrera with him as the headline piece, along with Andrew Miller, another 100% bust.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah that deal looks horrible from the Marlins perspective. Maybin crushes it in the minors but can’t seem to get going in the bigs. Miller just can’t stay healthy.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

When are the Marlins going to figure out that Maybin is a ceiling AAAA player. He tears up AAA pitching and is one of the most lost hitters have seen at the plate on the MLB level. This guy is a virtual twin to Emilio Bonifacio, only with a slightly better glove and they continue to give him starting chances because they gave away Donte Willis and Cabrera with him as the headline piece, along with Andrew Miller, another 100% bust.

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4 years 8 months ago

The only reason Mark McGwire took the job as the Cards hitting coach was to get his name back in the limelight and possibly improve his chances of getting voted into the HOF. He failed.

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Taskmaster75
4 years 8 months ago

Uhhh, he failed how?

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invader3k
4 years 8 months ago

I’ll be a homer and say I’d love to see the Brewers trade for him. He’s exactly what they need (duh…a #1 type starting pitcher to help Gallardo). I fear they’d have to give up too much in prospects to pry him away from KC, though. And then inevitably he’d walk after 2012.

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Royals looking to dump some big salaries? How about this 10 player swap with Boston?

RHP-Grienke , RP-Soria and OF-DeJesus… for

C-Varitek, SS-Navarro, RRP-Bowden, RHP-Doubront, LRP-Richardson, OF-MacDonald & RHP-Wakefield

KC saves $10-12M in salaries
Sox fill need for LF, late inning reliever, another SP
KC improves relief corps (Bowden, Richardson,) gets more SP (Doubront, Wakefield), fills SS need (Navarro), LF (MacDonald) and helps catching & young pitchers (Varitek)

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Thank you!!! I’ve been constipated the last two days and you made me laugh so hard that I could finally go. A little pee even came out too.

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Obviously you do not read the sports pages, or sports web sites…  For if you did,
and checked out the performance of your team, and its entire roster, you would not be laughing.  Quite the contrary, you would be crying in your beer (if you are old enough to consume alcohol) over your team’s 2010 record of 67-95  including the 10-14 & 4.10 era performance by your so called pitching ace..

IMO, Theo Epstein would be doing your club a favor with the offer I have suggested..as many holes in that team’s lineup could be plugged..with major leagueready, low cost  talent
 
Wish all you want, but the truth is the Royals cannot afford to pay for the talent noted in my proposal.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

My point proven this guy just replied to YanksFanSince78 like he is a Royals fan… He was just making fun of the DUMB trade offer that you made… some one help this guy!

Now let me to reply since I know you were trying to talk to me…
I know very well what my team did because I am a True Fan who lives in Kansas City…Yes they sucked but to say they cant afford Grienke and Soria contract makes no sense… We are a small market yes but we can pay a few players some cash…

Whats funny is that you said I dont check the sports page or sports web sites… because every where you look you see that is going to take alot of top prospects to get Grienke…Plus I am on this site which is a sports web site you fool!!!

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

If KC mamagement wants to cut the payroll back to $60+M in 2011
they will not be able to ignore the fact that Greineke, Soria and DeJesus will consume $23M (about 38%) of their total payroll. 
If one believes that,chances are better than 60/40 that at least two, if not all three, of the aforenamed will be gone, probably  to either New York, LA or Boston. 
Problem in New York is they already have a payroll of about $220M with over half that amount committed to 5 players, two of whom had their worst years in 2010.   And, with respect to LA, if the sign Beltre and Crawford, they will add around $40M to the $120M already committed.
So, I ask you what kind of packages will LA and NY offer up, that tops the Red Sox.  Keep in mind, KC’s management has stated they want guys who are major league ready now..

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Not sure what Red Sox package you would compare them to and let me state that I don’t want the Yanks to go after either Greinke or Soria but in case you’re not familair with the Yanks system, and regardless of what the Royals have/need already, we have the following all at AA or AAA (which sort of means that perhaps they are 1 or 2 years away from being able to help a big league club).

Jesus Montero C/21/AAA (.289/.353/.517 w/ 34 dbls and 21 hrs)
Austin Romine C/22/AA (.268/.324/.402 w/ 31 dbls and 10 hrs)
Brandon Laird 3B/23/AA-AAA (.281/.336/.482 w/ 28 dbls and 25 hrs)
Eduardo Nunez SS/23/AAA (.289/.340 w/ 25 dbls and 23 SB)
Ivan Nova SP/23/AAA-MLB (2.86, 115 ko in 145 IP)
David Phelps SP/24/AA-AAA (2.50, 141 ko in 158 IP)
Hector Noesi SP/23/A+-AA-AAA (3.20, 153 ko in 160 IP)
Dellen Betances SP/22/A+ – AA (2.11, 108 ko in 85 IP) started late
Manny Banuelos SP/19/A+ – AA (2.51, 85 ko in 65 IP) started late
Andrew Brackman SP/25/A+- AA (3.90, 126 ko in 140 IP)
Adam Warren SP/23/A+ – AA (2.59, 126 ko in 135 IP)

So that’s 7 starting pitchers, 2 catchers, 1 SS and 1 3B that have had good years and finished @ AA or AAA last year and a couple have had a MLB call up already.
They have plenty of other guys that had good year but were hurt (2B David Adams @ AA w/ .309/.393 w/ 15 dbls in 39 G) and plenty of guys that are good prospects but more than 3 years away.

Yanks shouldn’t empty out the farm for Greinke but if they wanted to I think they can make some great trade offers. And that’s not even guys on the mlb team they might dangle like Joba or Brett Gardner if they were to sign Crawford or add a bullpen arm.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

My point proven this guy just replied to YanksFanSince78 like he is a Royals fan… He was just making fun of the DUMB trade offer that you made… some one help this guy!

Now let me to reply since I know you were trying to talk to me…
I know very well what my team did because I am a True Fan who lives in Kansas City…Yes they sucked but to say they cant afford Grienke and Soria contract makes no sense… We are a small market yes but we can pay a few players some cash…

Whats funny is that you said I dont check the sports page or sports web sites… because every where you look you see that is going to take alot of top prospects to get Grienke…Plus I am on this site which is a sports web site you fool!!!

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Ummmmm huh? My team had the 2nd best record in the AL and are currently playing in the post-season. What are you talking about?

And it doesn’t take a Royals fan to know that your trade proposal (which btw I thought was you being humorous) makes no sense. Greinke is earning below market value and could be absorbed by 70% of baseball teams while Soria is even more affordable.

I’m not sure if a Greinke trade would be a salary dump or just moving a guy who they won’t be able to keep in two years. Either way they can and should get a lot more talent than what you’re offering.

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Yup, Yankee fans are out in force tonite…

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Ummmmm huh? My team had the 2nd best record in the AL and are currently playing in the post-season. What are you talking about?

And it doesn’t take a Royals fan to know that your trade proposal (which btw I thought was you being humorous) makes no sense. Greinke is earning below market value and could be absorbed by 70% of baseball teams while Soria is even more affordable.

I’m not sure if a Greinke trade would be a salary dump or just moving a guy who they won’t be able to keep in two years. Either way they can and should get a lot more talent than what you’re offering.

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Obviously you do not read the sports pages, or sports web sites…  For if you did,
and checked out the performance of your team, and its entire roster, you would not be laughing.  Quite the contrary, you would be crying in your beer (if you are old enough to consume alcohol) over your team’s 2010 record of 67-95  including the 10-14 & 4.10 era performance by your so called pitching ace..

IMO, Theo Epstein would be doing your club a favor with the offer I have suggested..as many holes in that team’s lineup could be plugged..with major leagueready, low cost  talent
 
Wish all you want, but the truth is the Royals cannot afford to pay for the talent noted in my proposal.

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4 years 8 months ago

Zeinke already said he wants out of the AL Central, unless he goes Twins or White Sox

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Vossome93
4 years 8 months ago

y would u WANT to play for Chicago,(I Love the White Sox btw) if they have the best hitters park in baseball…I would love to see Zack in a Sox uni but if I were a Cy Young pitcher coming off a bad season, I would go to a pitcher’s park like Ney York(Mets obviously) or LA…just sayin

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4 years 8 months ago

Greinke needs to go to the other, better team in Missouri :) Waino, Carp, Greinke, Garcia, and Westbrook is lights out. Would be best rotation in baseball. Besides Shelby Miller I don’t know what else it would take. But it’s not going to happen anyways so ehhhh.

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Flharfh
4 years 8 months ago

Why would anyone leave the Rangers, a team with loads of talent, a growing payroll, and a bright future to go be the GM of the Mets, a Franchise with an owner notorious for meddling and hamstrung by more than a few bad contracts and overrated players?

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Yankees420
4 years 8 months ago

I was wondering the same thing.

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studio179
4 years 8 months ago

Here is my crazy thought. I’m not a White Sox fan, but I think Greinke would fit well on that team.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke’s talent would fit on any team.

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studio179
4 years 8 months ago

The above posts were talking about his mental ability not to handle larger market teams. I made the proposal of a large market. That was the reason for my post. Ofcourse, his talent would fit on any team.

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johnsilver
4 years 8 months ago

Greinke’s talent would fit on any team.

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vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Yeah a guy with a Cy Young in 2009 improving a 2011 rotation = crazy.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

I wonder if Greinke would entertain signing an extension w/ the Royals beyond the two years he’s under contract?

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Yankees420
4 years 8 months ago

I believe there was an article on here about how Greinke is pessimistic about the Royals future or something along those lines. It might be what started all the speculation.

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4 years 8 months ago

Yes, yes he was. However looking at the loaded pitching system, with alot of good-great hitting prospects, I wouldn’t exactly be pessimistic about the Royals future.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

You are correct…

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Pitcher38
4 years 8 months ago

It would be amazing if Greinke landed in Florida. The Marlins are one pitcher away from big things, well if the bullpen is solidified too. I’m talking playoff and NLCS run in the next season or two, if the pitching is there.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Not unless Bud Selig is handing out vouchers.

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The_BiRDS
4 years 8 months ago

McGwire is “torn”??? Really? See ya pal, Cards offense sucked last year.

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Taskmaster75
4 years 8 months ago

Cardinals were 5th in the NL in OBP (.07 points off Atlanta, who lead in that category) It’s not McGwire who is causing the problems. I actually hope he comes back.

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Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

It sucked when Hal McCrae was here too. Maybe its not the coach, hymm? Perhaps its actually the players who deserve some blame! I know, its a revelation to not blame a coach for all the faults of a team.

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4 years 8 months ago

Nonsense! How could a team giving significant at-bats to players like Skip Schumaker, Brendan Ryan, Randy Winn, Pedro Feliz, and Aaron Miles struggle offensively?

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studio179
4 years 8 months ago

No doubt about it. Blame the players. I don’t think too much of McGuire because of…well, you can figure it out. But I can’t understand the turn on him. Hitting, pitching and all coaches get too much blame and get too much credit. I’m not downgrading the benefits of good coaching. I just think fans give too much credit to hitting, pitching and all coaching and in return give them too much blame. Put the emphasis on where it matters, the players.

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Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

if i were to guess some of the teams on his NTC list(not a full list):

pirates(who would wanna go their?)
yankees
mets
red sox
dodgers
angels

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myname_989
4 years 8 months ago

Agree 110%. Zack Greinke is not going to go somewhere where the media can completely unravel him. Consciously or not, he’s not up to it. Any team that has a large media base is going to go on that NTC. Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Red Sox, Dodgers, Giants, Angels, Cubs, White Sox…

Zack Greinke kind of rubs me the wrong way. He wants to win in scrutiny. How can you consider yourself successful that way? Just my take on it. He’ll go somewhere where he can fly under the radar and maybe be successful. I’d bet he’d love to play for a team like the Rays or Padres, and I think a trade to the Padres would fit both teams well.

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start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

In other words non-contenders and potential contenders where there is stress.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

He HAS said he doesn’t ever want to pitch in NY. That being put into the air I don’t think it’s unfair to say he has his reasons. Yanks should avoid him like the plague. Good pitcher but it’s foolish to say that mental makeup isn’t a concern when you comitt to bringing someone into NY.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

So you’re picking all of the large market teams? The only people who are saying that he wont succeed in a big market are the media. I don’t think he cares.

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4 years 8 months ago

BS! Call me crazy but I’m starting to think you just want Betances, Montero, and co. to go to the Royals farm system for your own nefarious purposes…

EDIT: Just kidding Spanny.

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YanksFanSince78
4 years 8 months ago

Did I miss something? Did he make a trade scenario w/ those two?

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4 years 8 months ago

Yeah he did. David Adams, Betances, and Montero for Grienke.

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4 years 8 months ago

Yeah he did. David Adams, Betances, and Montero for Grienke.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

1st of all Henry, I have no idea what nefar means.

2, you obviously know my thoughts on Betances and Montero, but seriously, I only see fits like the Dodgers, Rangers, Yankees, Mets, Nationals for Greinke-all not small market teams.

By the way, you know my love for the Royals, but if I had to take a teams package for Greinke, it would be the Dodgers not Yankees. Your welcome.

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4 years 8 months ago

Haha ok. Then who would you get from the Dodgers, Trayvon Robinson and Dee Gordon?

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Two choices

Dee Gordon, Trayvon Robinson, Allen Webster, and Kenley Jansen

Matt Kemp, Rubby De La Rosa.

Take your pick if your a Royals fan and take your pick of your a Dodgers fan.

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4 years 8 months ago

I pick the first one. The Royals weakest department is probably outfield, Trayvon Robinson would be good. And Dee Gordon is a better option than Jeff Bianchi.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Jeff Bianchi isn’t a prospect really anymore and Dee is tops in the minors at his position but that’s not the point, the point is do the Royals want a player with best in the game potential, or the 4 with tons of talent as well. I’d be happy with either one.

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4 years 8 months ago

Well i’ve heard Matt Kemp has priced himself over the Dodgers, a reason they should trade him. The Royals couldn’t possibly afford him in his walk year. Much rather have athletic Dee Gordon, and athletic Trayvon Robinson. Do you see a future with Jarred Dyson on this team?

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Dyson needs to have a big spring training to be considered a valuable piece for the Royals.

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start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

I’m pretty sure Henry is an Atlanta fan.I’ve lived in the midwest for a while, so I’ve always had a soft spot for the Royals. I remember being at a game in 1999 against the Indians when Colon was on the mound for Cleveland. He was pitching an absolute gem and the Royals were down 7-1 in the 8th, they loaded up the bases with 1 out in the 8th and Cleveland pulled Colon. 20 minutes later the Royals had put together a 10 run inning and were up 11-7 heading into the 9th. That has to be one of my favorite experiences ever in a ball park… ok second only to the game in 2006 where Damon and Mirabelli returned to Fenway.So I understand the urge to trade Greinke, if anything just to open the window for a competitive team for a bit. But I hope whoever they trade him to they take them to the cleaners. Royals in 2013? By the way SPAN, thought about your offer… you can GM the team and hire me on as your manager.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

The Royals will be one of Baseballs best teams by 2013. Hopefully I’ve finally convinced you about their farm. I’m pretty sure Henry loves the Yankees.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

I have been a Royals fan for 33 years now and I hope you are right but I just dont see it…The Royals cant win with just prospects; they have to man up and go get a true all star to show these prospects how to play and win…

With that said I would love to see Grienke delt one for one for a young true all star bat…

and please dont let it be to the Yanks or the Cards as I might just puke in my mouth!

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

Dodgers dodgers dodgers dodgers.

But trust me, the future Royals are going to do it. Believe me!

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

Tampa tampa tampa tampa.

Boston boston boston boston…

I like these two teams as well if he doesnt veto a deal to Boston…

Desmond Jennings and Reid Brigan would be a nice add…

Ellsbury stock is falling in Boston and would love to see a deal that starts with him… Damn it would be nice to have a lead off hitter again…

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4 years 8 months ago

No, I’m a Yankee fan. But Atlanta is my second favorite team.

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IHateJoeBuck
4 years 8 months ago

Impossible, the two are mutually exclusive.

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4 years 8 months ago

Wrong, it’s Impossible to successfully divide by zero. However it is fully possible to be a Yankees-Braves fan.

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Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

yeah, thats pretty much what i’m doing. I’d like to see some proof that says he wouldn’t care about pitching in large markets. i doubt you can give me any. the only proof either of us have is that he has had near-career ending social anxiety disorder and i doubt he would wanna risk his career their again. Your like 16 so i wouldn’t expect you to fathom how devastating depression can be on someone(unless of course you have experienced it yourself, in which case, i don’t know how you wouldn’t think it makes a huge factor in his choices).

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

No your absolutley right about everything you just said (except for my age, 17) but I agree that hopefully we can get some information from Greinke himself because like last year with A-Gon for example, were left with nothing but to speculate. The thing is though, we know about his disorder, but as you said we really don’t know anything about he dealt with it and whatever, so we can’t say for sure if he will or won’t succeed in a large market. To me though, any place outside of Chicago, NY, or Boston is considered a “lower pressure” enviorment (when talking about potential Greinke suitors.)

The one thing I will say though, I really think that the Dodgers have the best packages to offer to the Royals. For example, Matt Kemp and Josh Lindblom for example. Or Dee Gordon, Trayvon Robinson, Allen Webster, and Kenley Jansen. All speculatives, but you get the point.

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Jason
4 years 8 months ago

Not using capitalization nor using the correct form of “you’re/your” really doesn’t help get your point across to someone who is “like 16″ and clearly ignorant about the dark feelings of depression…

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Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

really, i could care less about grammar and to point it out is sort of snobbish. if that is a deciding factor in an argument, than more power to you but for me, i’l stick with the facts and whatnot, grammar be damned.

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jb226
4 years 8 months ago

If you don’t think you get judged by your grammar, you’re deluding yourself. If nothing else, the extra minute or two it takes to proofread a post shows you actually care about the opinion you’re expressing rather than throwing crap against a wall and seeing what sticks. I’m sure you’ll claim you don’t care what some random “snobs” on the Internet think of you or your opinions in which case I wonder what you’re doing on any discussion forums at all, but I digress. (By the way, at the risk of being even more snobbish, the phrase is “couldn’t care less.”)That said, facts are obviously the preferred evaluation of an argument — but you don’t have any that support your argument. You’re simply assuming that because he had (or has) a social anxiety disorder that it affects his decision of what teams he wants to avoid. It’s not an unreasonable opinion and truth be told I would probably agree with you, but it is far from a fact. It’s a factor, but not necessarily the entire decision.I say that as somebody who was severely depressed for more than half a decade and still has to cope with some of the side effects to this day. Letting these sorts of things rule you is the worst possible thing you can do. I speak that from experience.

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start_wearing_purple
4 years 8 months ago

I worked as a professional editor for a couple of years, still pick up a few bucks on the side with a freelance gig. And yeah, it annoys me when I see bad grammar because I have this urge to attempt to make edits. But consider the fact I just started a sentence with “and.” This is the internet, imperfect grammar is to be expected especially in forums because it’s more about showing your voice rather than a penned debate. When I’m stating my opinion on this site I like to think it’s something I’d feel like I’m sitting down and having a conversation… not writing an opinion paper for my last high school English teacher.

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Jason
4 years 8 months ago

It’s by no means the deciding factor. But if one of your reasons to discredit someone else’s argument is (young) age, then you should at least use adult sentences and correct grammar.

I normally don’t have a problem with it, and truth be told, I really don’t here either, but when a comment replying to someone has something as meaningless as age in it, I’d at least hope the person was writing in the correct manner.

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Jason
4 years 8 months ago

In reply to myself though, I wasn’t trying to come off as the grammar police. Whoops. Just get a little annoyed from time to time about that stuff. My mistake.

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Dave_Gershman
4 years 8 months ago

I’m really, really excited to see what happens with Greinke.

As for Dunn, the Nats really need to re-sign him. 3/45 had to be able to get it done.

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

His present deal is for 3yrs/$8.75M
And as you say, he has been paid $4M thus far….
He is still owed $4.75M, it would seem….
BTW, an option is not a contract… just a “right” usually,  for first dibs…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

The Royals are more desperate to unload these 3 guys than the Red Sox need to acquire them…. The Sox organ ization has playuers and mloney…KC only has players and need money
badly…

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Taskmaster75
4 years 8 months ago

Rasmus actually improved a great deal from last year if you look at his statistics. Jon Jay was on fire offensively (His minor league track record didn’t even come close to what he was putting up in the Majors this year, he wasn’t supposed to be this good). And even though he leveled off from his hot start, I don’t think that’s an indictment on McGwire so much as a hot rookie cooling off.

As for Albert, is it even possible to coach him? He has the swing that everyone else (Including quite a few Cardinals) have tried to replicate to varying levels of success. He knows what is wrong with his swing and his body more than most baseball players do, so its very hard to coach him or give him any tips. But yes, last year was a “down year” by Albert’s standards. Now, he was playing through an injury for quite a bit of the year (Think it was his elbow), which could explain most of his downturn. However, Matt Holliday was actually on par with his slash line from his previous year, give or take a few points, so I don’t see any point where he underperformed, other than his massively unlucky streak with RISP to start the year.

See the rest of my stuff in my response to you lower.

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Taskmaster75
4 years 8 months ago

Rasmus actually improved a great deal from last year if you look at his statistics. Jon Jay was on fire offensively (His minor league track record didn’t even come close to what he was putting up in the Majors this year, he wasn’t supposed to be this good). And even though he leveled off from his hot start, I don’t think that’s an indictment on McGwire so much as a hot rookie cooling off.

As for Albert, is it even possible to coach him? He has the swing that everyone else (Including quite a few Cardinals) have tried to replicate to varying levels of success. He knows what is wrong with his swing and his body more than most baseball players do, so its very hard to coach him or give him any tips. But yes, last year was a “down year” by Albert’s standards. Now, he was playing through an injury for quite a bit of the year (Think it was his elbow), which could explain most of his downturn. However, Matt Holliday was actually on par with his slash line from his previous year, give or take a few points, so I don’t see any point where he underperformed, other than his massively unlucky streak with RISP to start the year.

See the rest of my stuff in my response to you lower.

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Taskmaster75
4 years 8 months ago

Well, I don’t think that the hitting coach can control as much as you believe to be honest. McGwire can tell the players everything they can do correctly, but it is up to the player to still execute. If they are thinking too much, which was for example Ryan’s problem throughout the year, mistakes will happen. McGwire shouldn’t take the brunt of the blame for the hitter’s failures. I also take offense to the fact that Miles and Feliz had any plate discipline at all :).

But even if you do think McGwire has a huge effect, which is possible, what about Jay, Freese, and Rasmus (Who I will talk about in a second), who had great years, lucky or not. How much of that does McGwire get credit for? The problem with hitting coaches is that they don’t get credit when the offense is on a roll, and become the scapegoat when the offense sucks (See Milt Thompson on the Phillies this year).

As for Rasmus, his wOBA increased by .55, as well as the fact that his OBP increased by 54 points and his SLG by 91 points. Rasmus actually had a tremendous year of improvement despite being plagued by inconsistency, which many young players go through, a bad relationship with the manager, as well as numerous minor injuries. I think this is a testament to the overall talent that he possesses. If he puts it all together, I see a huge breakout year in the near future.

As for his entrance back into baseball, I don’t have a problem with it. The worst thing he could have done was said nothing, and it would have been a distraction throughout the year. I think that he ultimately had no choice, and that the administration demanded he come clean before they hired him. As much as it broke my heart (He was the reason I became a Cardinal fan), I can’t blame him for doing it at all.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

If they dont need anyone from the Royals why are you wanting 3 of our guys… You make no sense…none of this even matters because after the WS we will all see Grienke no trade clause and I am sure Bos NY will be at the top of his list…

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

If they dont need anyone from the Royals why are you wanting 3 of our guys… You make no sense…none of this even matters because after the WS we will all see Grienke no trade clause and I am sure Bos NY will be at the top of his list…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Easy enough to figure out….. poor record = too many mediocre players on the team…not enough talented players. to win a majority of games played…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

You are sticking your chest out, right?  Sox would give up Doubront (who could be as good as Soria in the bull pen) as part of a larger package, IMHO, …..but not Kelly or Kalish…
They, the Red Sox, don’t actually need anyone on the KC roster….but if a reasonable deal could be arranged that allows KC to tighten its belt, as the KC GM supposedly has to, Epstein will probably talk… how much you ask?  My guess is enough to ensure that if TEE outbids the Sox for these players’ services ,they (meaning NY) pays a premium price…for less than premium talent..

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

Thats much better! I still would like the Red Sox to throw Ellsbury’s name out there… The Royals could use a lead off hitter…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

I agree, but MLB requires each team to carry a minimum of 25 players during the regular season, and, they all expect to get paid, and to be paid according to the union contract and  what the market will bear..  My point is prefaced on the reported desire of KC Management to cut payroll from $75M in 2010 to $60M in 2011.  Guys making the MLB base of $440,000 will not do it.  Big ticket guys have to go…   Personally, I would live to see Greinke go to TEE.  I hope they sign to a 5year deal @ $20M per… :)

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

link to baseball-reference.com
 
Exclude 2009, Greinke is 44-59, lifetime…not so hot!

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Yep, Just like the Yanks do….but at far more realistic prices…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Really?
My math has him at $4.75M for 2011.  If he stays in KC and repeats his 2010
experience in 2011, he will be looking for at least $9-$10M for 2012 and beyond.  This puts Soria in Mariano Rivera’s strata which, in NY is affordable, but not in KC..

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Ferrariman
4 years 8 months ago

what does that have anything to do with fool? here’s a package for Grienke: Kelly, Kalish, and Doubront. that should get conversations started.

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Yankees420
4 years 8 months ago

Because a poor team record means that there aren’t any good players and the Red Sox can get them for spare parts/low ceiling talent? Get real.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

Not one person in here said they had better players… But the Royals do have 3 legit guys Butler,Grienke and Soria with DeJesus being a nice everyday player…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Boston was 89-73, in an off year…  KC came in 24 games behind…
proof is in the pudding… about which team has the better players…

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Yankees420
4 years 8 months ago

Ok, I get it now, you actually believe that a pitcher’s win record counts for something. You should go have a nice chat with Steve Phillips and Joe Morgan, they would probably agree with you. As for Zack not being a great pitcher, well, you’re just plain wrong there. Over the last 3 seasons Greinke’s numbers are as follows: IP ERA FIP xFIP K/9 BB/9 WHIP WAR202.1 3.47 3.56 3.76 8.14 2.49 1.28 4.9 – 2008229.1 2.16 2.33 3.15 9.50 2.00 1.07 9.4 – 2009220.0 4.17 3.34 3.76 7.40 2.25 1.25 5.2 – 2010So, while he may never put up an ERA in the low 2’s again, the rest of his numbers show that he is indeed an ace and any team trading for him will pay a premium in talent.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

I dont care what you think of Grienke but he will demand Ace worthy trade status you can count on it…

Do some research!!! They already cut alot of salary… you have no idea what you are talking about… Why am I even wasting my time your a Boston fan…

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

I dont care what you think of Grienke but he will demand Ace worthy trade status you can count on it…

Do some research!!! They already cut alot of salary… you have no idea what you are talking about… Why am I even wasting my time your a Boston fan…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

the Royals cannot afford their salary demands…its as simple as that… club ownership is reported to want to cut payroll by at least $10M for 2011….

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Sorry, I dont know Zack.  But I know he was 10-14 with and era over 4….  That makes him a decent pitcher on a bad team…not a great one… and not worth $13M when the team’s entire payroll is less than $60M. He simply has priced himself out of the KC market…  And, I give you no arguement about Soria, he was good in 2009 & 2010……but he too is looking for a big contract that KC cannot afford..

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Sorry, I dont know Zack.  But I know he was 10-14 with and era over 4….  That makes him a decent pitcher on a bad team…not a great one… and not worth $13M when the team’s entire payroll is less than $60M. He simply has priced himself out of the KC market…  And, I give you no arguement about Soria, he was good in 2009 & 2010……but he too is looking for a big contract that KC cannot afford..

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

You must live in KC…. Aha.!…
67-95 in  2010  right?  Not too much talent on  that squad, it seems…and no money to boot….

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

I said never post again now I will add a PLEASE!!!

Soria is damn near the best closer in baseball…Zack still had another good year on a crappy team…What you people dont understand is that Zack is tired of going out there knowing he has to be perfect just to even have a shot at win…Do you even know who many 1 or 2 run loses this man has since starting for the Royals? He had a why try attiude this season which isnt good but can you blame him…

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

Perhaps those names might br placed on the table if KC was negitiating from a position of strength, but they afre not.  Granted, Soria is terrific but Grieneke’s performance in 2010 was nothing like his 2009 year (at $13.5M/yr) and DeJesus was on the DL for nearly 1/3 of the season… and he is owed something like $7M for 2011.  As for my suggestions for the Sox offer…MacDonald’s numbers are compatable with DeJesus numbers,  Bowden, Dubront, Navarro and Richardson are major league ready and earning the major league minimum.
Wakefield could still pitvh effectively for 4-5 more years but there is no room for him in Boston’s rotation….and, as for Veritek, many clubs would like to have him as a backup because of the way he handles a pitching staff… and still has some pop in his bat…

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

They would have to also include Ellsbury…

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4 years 8 months ago

for soria, greinke and dejesus, you’re looking at the red sox top prospect from 1-5. that shit group of players suggested up there wouldnt get it done for greinke alone.

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RoyalBlue
4 years 8 months ago

Never post again… Your a fool….You want two All Star and what wold be a Type B free agent for that crap…

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myname_989
4 years 8 months ago

The Reds have just as much pitching, if not more than the Rays. I was just using the Rays as a reference to a small market team that Greinke wouldn’t mind playing for. It’s hard finding a landing spot for Greinke since the Royals demands would be so high, and not many teams have a frontline prospect to offer, that would be willing to part with said prospect. If a team is going to make an offer for Greinke, they’d have to be near contention. I like the idea of the Reds, but even then, likey you mentioned, do they have what it takes? If I were the Royals, Travis Wood really peeks my interest. Any deal for me would include Travis Wood and Yorman Rogriguez, since the Reds aren’t likely to part with Zack Cozart. Don’t see why the Royals wouldn’t be interested in Todd Frazier either though, despite a down 2010.

Getting carried away. Lol. Bottom line, it’s going to take 2-3 really nice prospects to get Greinke, and there aren’t many teams that fit his profile that could offer that.

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hawkny1
4 years 8 months ago

No sarcasm intended…. its rumored that KC is looking to dump salary….only way to do it is to unload high priced talent..is to let the players go or engineer a trade…. for low priced talent… Total salaries of these seven RS players is about the same as DeJesus’s alone..

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Taskmaster75
4 years 8 months ago

Nice statements, and that’s pretty much all they are without proof. The Cardinals were 5th in the NL in OBP (Cardinals OBP = .332, Braves had .339, and they led the NL in OBP). Also, consider the fact that half of the lineup would probably be have been bench players on any other team with the way they played, including Feliz, Miles, Stavinoha, Schumaker, Ryan, etc. None of these players, except for Ryan and Schumaker later in the year, ever had any patience at the plate, and just hacked at everything. It was abysmal to watch.

So yes, before you blurt out absurd statements, get some facts.

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vtadave
4 years 8 months ago

Yep, McGwire = fail.

He should have turned Skip Schumaker into Chase Utley and Brendan Ryan into a poor man’s Hanley Ramirez.