Felix Hernandez Wins AL Cy Young Award

Felix Hernandez won the 2010 American League Cy Young Award, as voted on by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. David Price and C.C. Sabathia finished second and third in the voting, respectively. Click here to see the complete results.

The win, which brought Hernandez to tears, will lead to a $1MM raise in 2011, according to the AP (on SI.com). The 24-year-old will also earn $500K raises in 2012, 2013 and 2014, so he pockets $2.5MM for the win. Price received an $80K bonus for finishing second and Jered Weaver won $50K for finishing fifth.


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  1. gramuna 5 years ago

    This is great!! As a Yankee fan I’m happy Felix won…he truly deserved to win!

    • HummBaby 5 years ago

      I feel Lincecum should have won it for both leagues the last 2 years….you know….because of the interleague play and all.

      Before the flaming starts…it’s called humor.

    • TapDancingTeddy 5 years ago

      I’m all on board the “Congratulations King Felix” train. He pitched the best and the voters did the right thing in ignoring the W-L total.

  2. raullll 5 years ago

    As a Yankee fan i’m happy, Felix was the most dominant picther this year though CC had the wins, anyone could tell Felix had a better year, if only if he got some run support.

    Congrats Felix.

  3. Cubsfan 38 5 years ago

    King Felix Reigns Supreme right guy for the Award

  4. Cory J. Settoon 5 years ago

    Wow I actually agree with them on not just Felix, but all their picks. Still would argue Weaver was better than CC, but good job guys!

  5. phillipmike 5 years ago

    I am surprised the writers made the right choice.

  6. grownice 5 years ago

    thankfully they got it right.

  7. Infield Fly 5 years ago

    Finally, the king has his crown.

    Congrats, Felix! I’ve been waiting a long time for this!

  8. LifeLongYankeeFan 5 years ago

    Yeah King Felix deserved but I am not happy but not too upset that CC didn’t win it if that makes sense. He’s still an ace and its not easy being the ace of the Yankees or pitching in the AL East so give CC a little credit there. Pedro Martinez in his late 20s is still the most dominating pitcher I’ve ever seen.

    • If only anything you just said had to do with anything. Pedro isn’t pitching like that. Still want to give it to him? CC doesn’t even deserve to be in the top 3. It’s not Cy WIN award.

      • gigantes2425 5 years ago

        I keep laughing at this. I wish I could “like” comments on my phone. Cy WIN. Lmao

      • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

        Cy Win. You are so clever. Are you also the guy who came up with the hall of very good? Why do you believe that the Cy Young should only be based on ERA and strikeouts when that has never been the case historically. Indeed, the claim to fame of the namesake is his wins record. He didn’t strike people out like Walter Johnson or pitch to the lowest ERA, yet we don’t have the Christy Matthewson or Walter Johnson award. Such arrogance.

        • tacko 5 years ago

          And how dare they give the Roberto Clemente Award to Tim Wakefield! He’s not Puerto Rican or an outfielder! An outrage!

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            Clemente is the name of the award due to his charity work, not his nationality or position.

          • Motor_City_Bombshell 5 years ago

            pretty sure it was a joke.

          • So surprising you have to say this to the guy who considers wins to be the end-all stat to pitching.

        • Just because the award is his name sake doesn’t mean that his most prominent stat is the only stat that matters. The award was named after him the year after he died, not because he had the most wins, but because he was one of the greatest pitchers in history and they wanted to honor him.

          But moral of the story is the award’s intent was to be awarded to the BEST pitcher in the league, and this year it was Felix Hernandez.

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            To argue that wins haven’t been an important criteria of the award is simply incorrect.

          • I don’t see anything in his post that does. They have, for God knows why. Everyone in the entire world but you seems to understand that. Wins have NOTHING to do with how good a pitcher is.

    • Infield Fly 5 years ago

      No, it doesn’t make sense – at least not ENOUGH sense. The AL East may not be easy but when you are a pitcher who can dominate without much of an offense behind you – like Felix did – then you’re REALLY doing something. Ironically that was the deciding factor the last time CC won it with the Tribe. He won because unlike Beckett (and others) he was able to dominate with very little offensive help…but CC can’t say that this time.

  9. I can’t argue with this, I thought it should have been Price, however.

  10. yazpik 5 years ago

    OHHH, Congratulations Felix and congratulations Jack, if Felix had not signed, it would be impossible to bring him back, his price right now would be 10/ 300 I think

  11. TheodoreRoosevelt 5 years ago

    Justice has been done! Congrats, Felix!

  12. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    Good thing the Yankees are trading Joba for Felix!

    • …yeah, that’s a fair trade….

    • Pawsdeep 5 years ago

      Keep dreaming. It’s gonna take a lot more than joba to go and get the king and the yankees just dont have the firepower in their farm system to get a monster deal done.

      Right now the yankees can’t be happy with what they gave up for granderson seeing is how Jackson was much better this year and is showing much more potential. After giving Jackson away, I don’t think the Yankees have an A+ prospect left so I wouldn’t expect any real big trades this offseason.

      • That really was a bad trade for the Yanks, Jackson looks to be a bonafide starter for years to come, Phil Coke was a pretty good reliever and looks to be making a transition to the rotation, and Ian Kennedy was really good this year (even though his team sucked).

      • TheHotCorner 5 years ago

        I am not sold on Jackson just yet. His BABIP was exceptionally high (I think .396). If he can bring his K rate down he could offset some of the drop when his BABIP comes down to a more reasonable number. Will be interesting to see.

        • Pawsdeep 5 years ago

          He is still a better hitter than granderson. Grandersos closest year too 300 was his rookie year and has actually gotten worse as the years go on. Plus, Curtis can’t hit LHP to save his life.
          As for their defense, Jackson is obviously the superior player in center and I can say that with confidence after just one year. Regardless of jacksons offensive prowess(or lack of) if all you did was trade one glive for another then the tigers still came out with the bigger end of the stick. ESPICIALLY when you added coke to the deal

        • rbeezy 5 years ago

          Jackson is a stud, his BAIP will always be higher due to his skill set. .396 is a little high but it’ll probaly settle in around .360-.370. The kid really started to hit the ball hard the other way towards the end of the season. I think he will be an elite leadoff guy within in 5 years.

        • woadude 5 years ago

          He is Young, this is him getting warmed up, wait until he gets a few pointers from coaches and his peers and watch that guy turn it on, seriously I still cannot believe they gave that guy up for Granderson, he should of been more untouchable than that Montero guy…just saying

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Wow really? Haha. I gues you don’t follow the minor lges huh? I would not be shocked at all to see the Yanks w/ at least 4 prospects in the top 50 (Montero, Banuelos, Sanchez and Betances).

        As for Austin vs Grandy. Time will tell. 150 Ko and few hrs to show is not a good thing. If Grandy carries over the lessons from Kevin Long into next year then I wouldn’t be shocked to see a line like .280/.350 w/ 30 hrs and 20 SB. I mean he did hit 24 hrs despite being in a huge slump and missing most of May.

    • woadude 5 years ago

      yeah in MLB2K10 the video game.

      • And this is why I play Baseball Mogul and OOTP, can’t pull off stupid trades that only the biggest of homers would imagine.

    • WiiCat 5 years ago

      You make funny joke.

  13. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    Justice has been done? Where was the injustice? This is my point!

    • vtadave 5 years ago

      Your “point”? We’re all still trying to figure out what that point is…

    • woadude 5 years ago

      See the 2009 Cy Young award winner NOT named Felix, that was injustice, you wouldnt understand ay you have “NY” on your forehead, actually i take you as a guy who has “NY” on the back of his head.

  14. TheHotCorner 5 years ago

    Way to go King Felix! A well deserved Cy Young. And for those complaing about who finished 2nd and 3rd…who cares. There isn’t an award for Runner Up and this isn’t like the Ms America Pageant where if the winner is unable to fulfill their duties as the winner that the second place finisher will take the title.

  15. $1529282 5 years ago

    The Facebook comments on this post are pretty hilarious if anyone’s looking for a good chuckle.

    Congrats Felix — well-deserved indeed. The AL’s best pitcher in 2010, for sure.

  16. tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

    Bad choice. Wins do matter and I say this as someone who is down with new stats. Carlton won 30% of his team’s wins one year. It’s just not true that a pitcher cannot overcome an anemic offense. Felix pitches in an extremely pitcher friendly park, so lack of offense shouldn’t be as big of a factor as it was for Greinke last year. Not so for Sabathia, who put the team on his back while other pitchers were injured or ineffective. Price was just one of a stacked staff. New ground here when a pitcher can be Cy with a. 500 record.

    • Read the first sentence and stopped. You should actually read/watch baseball. Wins are important!!!!!!!!!! They are!!!!!!! Bartolo deserved his Cy Young!!!!!!!!!! /sarcasm

      • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

        I watch plenty of baseball. Cy Young winners find ways to win games. Colon won in a weak field. Maybe you guys should look up Steve Carlton and stop spouting Rob Neyer dogma.

        • Never mind my comments. Didn’t see the ‘yanksfan’ in your name. Useless arguing with a homer.

        • Muggi 5 years ago

          So Carlton did something amazing 38 years ago, and that means Felix shouldn’t win the award because he didn’t match that. Gotcha.

        • 0bsessions 5 years ago

          The only way Hernandez could’ve “found” to win his games (Outside of dominating the ever living crap out of the entire AL, which he did) would be to slug his DH and step into the box. The dude had about the worst offense to take the field since the DH was implemented.

    • TheHotCorner 5 years ago

      Please. According to your theory Felix could have had an ERA of 1.00 and if his record was the same it would be his fault. Do you watch baseball?

    • $1529282 5 years ago

      Shocking to see someone with that username make that post…

      So if Felix starts 34 games, throws 34 complete games with an ERA of 1.00, allowing 1 run in each start, puts up an 11.0 K/9 and a 1.0 BB/9, allows 5 homers all season, induces a 60% groundball rate, but goes 14-14… he shouldn’t win. Okey doke. Good logic.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Gonna do a little editing of your first two sentences there: “Bad choice. Wins do matter and I say this as a Yankees fan.”

      Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Really, its one of your later sentences that bugs me. “It’s just not true that a pitcher cannot overcome an anemic offense.” Well, first, tell me that again when the Yankees have one of the worst lineups in MLB. You may change your tune. And second, I’m pretty sure Felix demonstrated this year exactly how wrong you are. How can you blame the PITCHER for losing 3-2, 3-1, 2-1, 1-0 games? I’ve seen Sabathia have a bad night, give up five runs in 5 innings, and still come out with the win. You’re saying that if Sabathia pitched that way all year, and as long as the Yanks won for him at least 20 times, he should still beat Felix for Cy Young. Now that’s just crazy. Come on.

      • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

        Just for the record. In 2010 Sabathia only had 1 win which came when he gave up more than 3 ER.

        If you gave Sabathia a win for going 6 IP and allowing 3 runs or less and a loss whenever he failed to do so his record would be 26-8. If you did the same for Felix his record would’ve been 30-4. Felix had ZERO margin for error and ABSOLUTELY deserved to win the award but please, let’s not act as if CC wasn’t good enough to be in the conversation and be a top 3 vote getter.

        • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

          I didn’t mean to make it sound like that, sorry. I just meant theoretically; was exaggerating the theory he proposed. I definitely think Sabathia was in the race, and deserved to be in the top 3. He just made an erroneous assumption that wins are everything, and I was running with it.

    • “Wins do matter and I say this as someone who is down with new stats.”

      As a stats guy, please explain the Cy Young winners from 1981, 1984, and 1992.

      • 0bsessions 5 years ago

        Should’ve stopped reading there. Saying “someone who is down with new stats” is the baseball metrics equivelant of saying “I’m hip to that new rap music.”

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        Exactly.. how many ‘wins’ did gagne and eckersley have

    • flickadave 5 years ago

      And Jeter deserved the Gold Glove because of his “intangibles”…….

      • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

        Yes, you’re right, because I believe wins should be taken into account when other stats are in the same ballpark I believe Jeter should win the gold glove. Try phonics buddy.

        • flickadave 5 years ago

          So Jeter deserved the GG because of wins? Maybe I really do need to try phonics altho I think learning to speak “homer” would help more.

          • phonics won’t help you there, need to get rosetta stone to understand these people.

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            You do need phonics if you can’t distinguish a discussion about the Cy from gold glove.

          • flickadave 5 years ago

            Ok, I give up. Where do I get one of those Rosetta Stones? Let me try this another way… Jeter deserved the GG less than CC deserved the CY.

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            Lord you’re dense. I was being sarcastic about jeter deserving the GG in response to your moronic conflation of an argument about CC or Price winning the Cy Young with an argument about the Gold Glove, a completely different and unrelated topic.

          • flickadave 5 years ago

            AHHH!!!! I get it! Sorry, but sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect especially when done that ineptly. Sorry if I brought the Jeter GG into a discussion filled with a ton of Yankee homers that think that every award should go to one of their players, no matter how undeserving. Bringing other awards into an award discussion was truly moronic of me. I don’t know how I could have dared to attempt to conflate 2 baseball awards. /selfbonk

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            You cannot seriously tell me that this Cy Young debate is as clearcut as the fact that Jeter didn’t deserve that GG. Learn to read.

          • flickadave 5 years ago

            At least you admit that it is clearcut that Jeter didn’t deserve the GG. I hope that someday you can be as clear that CC didn’t deserve the CY (altho at least he was in the top 4 or 6 in that). Learn to comprehend.

    • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

      I missed the sentence where I said CC should win bar none. Price would have been a good choice too. You guys are throwing out stats that Felix didn’t have to justify giving him the award. He didn’t have a 1.00 era. His stats were very good but not so overwhelming or historic (like Gagnes record saves) to make the open and shut case. Ignore my comments if you can’t handle friendly disagreement without insisting wildly that the award is solely about stats that, historically, it has not. The only basis for your contention is your opinion of what the award should be. It doesn’t make me wrong to disagree with that notion based on the historical criteria of the award.

    • MetsEventually 5 years ago

      Ok, wrong. So you’re saying that a pitcher could go 22-2 with a 4.50 ERA and 1.500 WHIP and he’s better than the pitcher that goes 10-12 with a 1.00 ERA and .800 WHIP?!

      • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

        I missed where that happened this season. I’m not advocating a hard and fast rule. I’m only talking about the contenders this year, not hypothetical situations. When those stats happen, let’s talk.

        • MetsEventually 5 years ago

          You don’t get the point.

          You say CC should win because his teams lineup is stacked, while Felix’s lineup was the worst in baseball.

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            No. My point is that wins do matter historically and the argument that they shouldn’t is a reenvisioning of the award’s criteria, rather than the other way around, as most of the posters are saying. If you want to stop taking wins into account, then you are the one changing the meaning of the award, not me.

          • MetsEventually 5 years ago

            but the Cy Young is awarded to baseballs best pitcher overall, not baseballs best pitcher on a team. CC wouldn’t get 21 wins on the M’s, Felix would get more than 21 on the Yankees. Look into saber metrics, pal.

          • tonyyanksfan 5 years ago

            Look, I get what you’re saying. But we can also ask what Price or CC would’ve done in a generous park like safeco, pitching against a weaker division and having no pressure because nothing is on the line.

          • Guest 5 years ago

            Baseball players have no pride so they make up for it with pressure?

    • jt24 5 years ago

      carlton also had a run support of about 4 each time he pitched, felix only had a 3.3 run support. Obvious;y his pffense screwed him over. How else could he have the lowest era

    • jt24 5 years ago

      carlton also had a run support of about 4 each time he pitched, felix only had a 3.3 run support. Obvious;y his pffense screwed him over. How else could he have the lowest era

  17. monkeyspanked 5 years ago

    Wow I’m kinda surprised they got it right… Thought for sure CC might get it. Well the Gold Gloves are a joke but they got CY and ROY right. There is hope after all.

    • 0bsessions 5 years ago

      General lesson from all of this: coches are dumber than we give them credit for, the BBWA is smarter than we give them credit for.

    • woadude 5 years ago

      I still think Austin Jackson deserved the AL ROY, IMO. but wasnt hurt that Feliz got it, his name means happy in spanish, you gotta love that guy.

  18. Score one for sabermetrics.

  19. penpaper 5 years ago

    The scary thing in all of this? Felix is only 24.

  20. What can you say about King Felix, he pitched great this season and this is well-deserved. Being a Yankee fan am I disappointed CC didn’t win, duh, but can anyone who is a Yankees fan honestly argue against this guy winning over CC? I don’t think so…

    So long as Robbie wins the AL MVP, I’m happy :)

    • Maybe if ‘Robby’ deserved it. Don’t be a homer. I’m a Rangers fan, but still am 100% sure in my heart that it should go to Cabrera.

      • Well of course the most deserved person should win. You feel Cabrera should win, I don’t. But that’s just me :).

  21. Felix Hernandez was the most undeserving of the 3 guys in the top 3. Think I’m crazy right? He has a 2.27 ERA right? He was in the weakest division in the American League. Price faced countless times the Yankees and Red Sox, Sabathia faced countless times the Rays and Red Sox. That will inflate the ERA a little as the other stats as well. How many times Felix face NY and TB combined? 3-4 times tops? You think he would have had a 2.27 if Seattle was in the AL East? If you do then your either delusional or a Seattle fan or even worse a TB/NY hater!

    • Muggi 5 years ago

      So no one outside the AL East should be eligible for the Cy Young. Gotcha.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      So i guess Roy Halladay should have won the last 7 Cy Young awards then?

    • No his ERA would’ve been slightly higher, but still better than those two chumps. Get over yourself.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Just two complaints cause I’m lazy and don’t feel like giving you the whole argument right now.

      1. Check his numbers against the AL East, if you would. They’re pretty damned impressive.

      2. He didn’t ever face Seattle, one of the wimpiest lineups in the AL. Price and Sabathia did. That silly argument about what teams they face goes both ways, pal.

      If you’re still unconvinced, go to fangraphs and do a detailed investigation. It shouldn’t take long for you to realize that his peripherals (and less peripheral, mostly anything but wins) are not only slightly better than Sabathia or Prices, but quite a bit better. It’s not much of a race, really. So…look it up, bud.

      • Yes he did have good numbers against them. What happens when you face the same pitcher a over and over? You get his number. Those teams never had that chance and that is the same reason why he signed a extension with Seattle. Level of competition.

        • You should be the only Cy Win/Cy East voter. Too bad Scott Feldman wasn’t in the East. He would’ve had a good shot at it this year.

        • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

          Sabathia never had to pitch to a dominant Yankees lineup. Price never had to play against the scrappy Rays. In fact, Felix is the only guy out of these three candidates who had to face all three teams, so shouldn’t he actually be lauded for having to struggle with all three AL East beasts, rather than just two? Look, saying he’s got an easier schedule is really hard for me to stomach when Felix impressed just as much against tough lineups as against the easy ones. And again, this is not a situation where Sabathia and Price’s stats even come very close; he was just a lot better than them this year.

          • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

            But that works both ways. CC pitched against the Sox, Rays and Jays 10 x. Felix did it 5. Not saying that anyone other than Felix should’ve won but there is some validity to placing some consideration w/ who w candidate pitched against.

          • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

            Yes, I know it goes both ways, that’s why I posted what I did, since he already made an argument in the direction you’re talking about. Are we going to start debating in circles now? :)

        • vtadave 5 years ago

          Joseph – Felix Hernandez has a 1.51 ERA in 47.2 innings vs. the Yankees in the last four years. When are they going to “get his number”?

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            gotta love a good stat pull

    • Let’s just get rid of all the other divisions. Makes perfect sense!

    • bbxxj 5 years ago

      Felix’s ERA against the AL East:

      Boston: 1.23 (1 start)
      New York: 0.35 (3 starts)
      Toronto: 1.13 (1 start)
      Baltimore: 0.56 (2 starts)

      He faced the AL East seven times and dominated every time. I think he would have been just fine. Do you want me to loom up CC’s numbers against the AL East? I cam tell you they are much worse – and he never even faced the Yankees.

      • cayanksfan 5 years ago

        Impressive, who was able to hit him bringing his ERA up to 2.27?

        • woadude 5 years ago

          Ironically it was bad teams like the Royals that ate him up, he would give up 3 runs and lose 3-1, he got lit up by the Athletics one game pretty bad, it was like 4 runs, and the Ms lost 4-0, games like that and teams like that brought his ERA to 2.27, scary huh?

          • WiiCat 5 years ago

            It 2 out of his 3 starts vs the Angels, he got lit up.

            Our bad, sorry. :(

      • Imiller53031 5 years ago

        people who are disagreeing that felix should have been the cy young just need to look at the evidence right in front of their eyes..

    • Felix faced stiffer competition than CC, but I think less stiff than Price, if you actually go through who they faced this year. Look it up.

    • By that logic, shouldn’t we give the Cy Young to Clay Buchholz? He has to play in that beast of the east, and still managed to get an ERA .85 lower than Sabathia?

      And by the way, using the division is a weak argument, and comes off as more whining than anything else.

      • woadude 5 years ago

        I thought Buchholz kinda got snubbed there, but not for 1st place so the point is moot.

    • MetsEventually 5 years ago

      He did dominate NY and BOS this year though…

  22. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Drabek, Stewart, Arencibia and Cecil for Felix??

    Woooops not a trade thread.. lol !

    Jokes.. I’m happy about this, glad to see they got it right!

    • 0bsessions 5 years ago

      I would give up my entire team’s farm system for Hernandez. Seriously, take the whole thing. Be my guest.

      • moonraker45 5 years ago

        lol me too, i watched him live this year and it was just a thing of beauty.. and for how young he is, if he gets even better, thats just plain scary…

        it is sad though that players like him, and doc end up on non playoff teams for a bulk of their careers.. I really hope the mariners pull up their socks and revamp their offense.

        • garrett16 5 years ago

          The M’s will without a doubt struggle in 2011, but after that they will have Smoak with another year of experiance, Ackley who has gotten his feet wet, and Michael Pineda who has gotten his feet wet in the MLB behind Felix in the rotation. Then there is Nick Franklin who tore the cover off the ball in Class A Midwest League, a notoriously pitcher friendly league, as a 19 year old.

          Then you have guys like Michael Saunders and Adam Moore who have a chance to be solid contributors on an playoff caliber team if and only if they can put it all together.

          On top of that there is a chance that Rendon could drop to the M’s in the draft and if he doesn’t they end up with Gerrit Cole or Matt Purke.

          Then with Ichiro seemingly ageless and Franklin Gutierrez manning center, plus a large chunk of money being freed by expiring contracts.

          So while the M’s look terrible now (cause at the moment they are) they have a decent chance at putting together a solid core of player while having some money to spend for 2012 and beyond, its not guaranteed, but as an M’s fan I like the way the future looks.

  23. moonraker45 5 years ago

    whoa whoa whoa.. bob elliot voting for CC sabathia? dingbat!

  24. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    Look, I agree, Felix should have won, but 21 wins is an amazing accomplishment in and of itself, don’t discount Sabathia because you’re still pissed Jeter won the Gold Glove!?! I am soooo happy Jeter won that now! It is hilarious how upset people get.

    • It’s amazing how much of a homer you are. I bet you’ve only been a fan of the Yanks since October of 2009, huh?

      • cayanksfan 5 years ago

        Am I really discussing this with someone who nicknamed himself “jr ballbag”???

      • cayanksfan 5 years ago

        Let’s see jr, I grew up in Massachusetts and have been a Yankee fan since 1975.

        • flickadave 5 years ago

          Let me guess, you are a Cowboys and Lakers fan,too?

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            don’t forget man u and usa basketball

      • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

        Sadly, I’ve found long-time fans can easily be just as mental as bandwagon fans…I’ve only been a Boston fan since ’03 (due partly to my age I’ll admit!) so I could be mistaken for a bandwagon fan, and I’ve learned that the trash-talkers are almost more likely to be long-term fans…More willing to defend their team no matter what the dispute is about, I guess.

    • Muggi 5 years ago

      What’s even more hilarious is no one but you has mentioned it. Yep, people sure seem to be carrying that around with em.

      • cayanksfan 5 years ago

        I was using someone elses grievance regarding Jeter from an earlier reply, so no, it wasn’t just me who mentioned it.

      • cayanksfan 5 years ago

        Matt D, flickadave, moonraker45 that I remembered!

        • Muggi 5 years ago

          pre-remembered apparently, since 2 of those 3 comments were posted AFTER yours.Nice try though.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Yeah 21 wins is a great accomplishment…FOR THE TEAM. Get with the times man. Bruce Chen got 12 wins, one fewer than Felix. You gonna tell me he’s only win off from being as good as Hernandez? It’s all about the team. They score runs when you pitch, you win. They don’t, you don’t. Pretty simple.

      • MarinerFanSince1979woot 5 years ago

        Well stated!!!!

      • cayanksfan 5 years ago

        How many pitchers ever have 20 win seasons!?! Not many.

        • Actually quiet a few have, I tried counting and got over 200 instances of 20 win seasons after only a handful of teams.

    • MetsEventually 5 years ago

      It’s time for you to leave this forum and go back to checking stats on MLB.com

  25. please don’t overrate the East and say Felix did what he did in the West while CC and Price were in the East. I don’t remember the numbers anymore, but check what Felix did against every team in the East. if I remember he had impressive numbers against every team in the East, Yankees/Red Sox/Rays/Jays/Orioles.

    wins come from run support. there is nothing Felix can do to control the run support the Mariners supply for him.

  26. $1639238 5 years ago

    The BBWA certainly seems to have gotten a lot smarter over the past couple of years, and as a Cardinal fan, I resent that (damn you Lincecum!). I guess we can still enjoy Chris Carpenter’s very undeserving win over Roger Clemens in 2005.

    Great news for Felix. It’s good to know the BBWA isn’t considering a team’s offense when evaluating the pitcher. The fewer times guys like Chris Carpenter in 05 or Bob Welch in 1990 (hey, Clemens deserved it that year too!), the more these awards mean something. Now, if only they can go back and strip Jimmy Rollins, Justin Morneau, Bartolo Colon, Eric Gagne, Miguel Tejada, Ichiro Suzuki, Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Juan Gonzalez again, Mo Vaughn, Jack McDowell, Dennis Eckersley for the MVP AND Cy Young, ect ect ect of their awards, then the world will be a better place.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      Don’t forget Palmeiro’s Gold Glove! xD

      • Muggi 5 years ago

        and Big Mac’s, and Bobby Abreu’s, to name two of many

        • $1639238 5 years ago

          Those aren’t voted on by the BBWA though. They are voted on by a group apparently much more oblivious as to how baseball actually works…managers and coaches. And in their defense, Palmeiro rarely made very few errors in 1999.

          • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

            So he very often made lots of errors! Perfect GG candidate! xD

    • woadude 5 years ago

      I agree with everyone except Ichiro, that guy WAS an MVP, he just would never get out, high BA, always in scoring position and part of a team that won 116 games, that guy deserved that award, unless im missing some sarcasm here in your post.

  27. Ichiroll 5 years ago

    Just for the record; In the 12 losses Felix was credited, 8 of them were quality starts. Not only that, all of his no decisions were quality starts as well.

    Oh, and C.C. Sabathia didn’t win the Cy Young, not sure if you guys knew.

    • MetsEventually 5 years ago

      Probably the best point made on this forum. Only problem is Yankee fans might not understand what a “Quality Start” is.

  28. scottyballgame 5 years ago

    Felix 2010 vs AL East:
    BAL 1-0 0.56 ERA
    BOS 1-0 1.23 ERA
    NYY 3-0 0.35 ERA
    TOR 0-1 1.13 ERA

    • jt24 5 years ago

      whoah he almost had half of his wins against oh so competitive al east

  29. The way the voting is going since the past two years, they should rename the award from “Cy Young” award to something else. Like the “saber-metrics” award or something similar to this.

    • Ichiroll 5 years ago

      Cy Young stands for ‘The best pitcher’ — if you’re implying that Felix wasn’t the best pitcher. Then you’re oblivious.

      • Its my opinion. Calling me oblivious cannot change it. Cy Young ironically is the pitcher having the most wins as well. How appropriate to King Felix.

    • vtadave 5 years ago

      Or if you’d prefer, we can have an award for “The AL East Guy Who Won the Most Games”. Probably make a lot of folks happy.

    • Muggi 5 years ago

      Why would they have named it for Cy Young in the first place then? He only has the 75th-best win% in baseball. They should have named it the Al Spalding, or the Lefty Grove Award.

      If the award wasn’t supposed to be about more than who won the most games, it wouldn’t be voted.

  30. Yeah alright. I don’t buy any of the BS anyone’s throwing around here except that King Felix rightfully won-which he should have. Quit with the bias seriously. “Price should have finished second”, who cares as long as who won. No need to hear anyone whine about something as meaningless. Congrats King Felix.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      if you’re not first your last!

      Shake n bake!

      • jt24 5 years ago

        RICKY BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!! EL DIABLO (THE FIGHTING CHICKEN)

  31. laracco 5 years ago

    Yankees fans are just pissed because this isn’t something that they can just buy like a World Series trophy.

    Congrats to the deserving winne King Felix!!!

  32. laracco 5 years ago

    Yankees fans are just mad because this is an award that they can’t buy like the World Series trophy. Poor Yankees.

    Congrats to the deserving winner King Felix!!!

  33. Guest 5 years ago

    that guy on the baseball today podcast was wayy wrong…
    he said Felix would finish like 4th.
    take that.

  34. dshires4 5 years ago

    My God I’m so glad Felix signed hat extension. Truly the most deserving of the bunch, and in my opinion, it wasn’t even close.

  35. BoSoxSam 5 years ago

    OMG WHAT THIS IS CRAZY!! LESTER TOTALLY DESERVED THIS AWARD!

    While I’m on the topic of irrational team bias, David Ortiz should have totally won a Gold Glove this year. Just sayin’.

    • scott4 5 years ago

      I totally thought Ortiz shoulda got the gold glove for DH

  36. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    Felix was the best pitcher and well deserving of the award!

    However, there is only one number that matters…WINS! Your job as a starting pitcher is to win games! If your team give you 2 runs then you can only give up 1 or less.

    Is th best pitcher the one with all the not as important numbers or the one with the most important number which is wins?

    I do wish Felix had a chance to play on a better team….he could be a 30 game winner! And this isnt a rant just looking at this from a different angle.

  37. scott4 5 years ago

    Cy Young is for the best pitcher, not the MVP. Your really OFF YOUR FRIGGIN ROCKER if you don’t think he was the best pitcher. You can say all that crap about how he didn’t pitch in East, etc,,, etc.. but he killed the East when he did pitch against them particularly the Yankees. there are alot of Yankee fans on here that acknowledge this and I give kudos to you.
    Remember Felix did not get the benefit of pitching AGAINST the worsed offense in baseball since the DH came about. The vote really wasn’t very close and it shouldn’t have been. They did get it right.

  38. Joey Doughnuts 5 years ago

    How Cliff Lee doesn’t finish 1st or 2nd pretty much blows my mind.

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      his numbers in Texas weren’t that great at all

      • Joey Doughnuts 5 years ago

        “in texas”. Not that many pitchers do well in Coors or US Cellular field either.

  39. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    Everyone knows that RA Dickey and Trevor Cahill should have won these awards guys, come on.

  40. Maverick60 5 years ago

    CC should have won. Thats what he does, win, as his record indicates. If Felix doesnt like that his offense didnt back him up, he can go to a NL team in a few years and become a power hitting ace, and he wont have anything to worry about. Until then, he needs to win more games, or be a pitcher with a 2nd or 3rd starters record. Of course his ERA and WHIP was low, when he is on the mound and the other team gets a run on the board, they can then shut it down and not have to worry about the M’s offense making a contest out of the game. Come on. How simple is that?

    But before I get sent to the firing squad, Im only kidding. I, like most others here are glad the voters got it right. When I heard he won, I had to get online and make sure King Felix won by a substantial amount of votes before I was satisfied with the outcome. He pitched like a Cy Young winner is expected to.

  41. I think that CC had a better season than price but i agree Felix should have won he’s got the best numbers.

  42. TDKnies 5 years ago

    So happy right now! King Felix absolutely dominated this year, dare I say head and shoulders above everyone else (which isn’t even a knock on the competition, he was THAT good). Would’ve been a travesty in my mind had he not won it.

  43. Tko11 5 years ago

    Wow this is surprising!! Im so glad that CC didnt win because Felix surely deserved it more. He was outstanding all year, cant believe he is only 24 years old too!! Congrats to Felix.

  44. Cubsfan 38 5 years ago

    So if a pitcher goes 5-18 w a 1.54 229 ip 221 k would you
    Consider that Cy worthy

  45. angels_sweep_Bosux_09 5 years ago

    Weav had more strikeouts, therefore he should have won.
    Strikeouts > ERA, WHIP, ETC

    sike :)

    • WiiCat 5 years ago

      Glad to see Weaver get fifth, though. He’s definitely becoming a dominant ace. 😀

  46. ginkers_11 5 years ago

    Wins are a completely meaningless stat when it comes to this argument. Wins are a team related stat. My next point should end ALL ARGUMENT on the 21 win versus 13 wins…

    Giving up 2 runs or fewer
    CC = 14-0, 2 ND’s
    Felix = 13-1, 6 ND’s

    3 Runs allowed
    CC = 5-1, 1 ND
    Felix = 0-5, 3 ND’s

    4+ Runs Allowed
    CC – 3-5, 3 ND’s
    Felix – 0-6

    As you can see… Felix DID NOT WIN A GAME IN WHICH HE GAVE UP 3+ RUNS!! CC WON 8. Take those wins away from CC and he has only 13 wins as well.

    Any questions?

    • ginkers_11 5 years ago

      Just an FYI… Those stats are RUNS, NOT EARNED RUNS

    • YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

      Dude….that’s is such horrible propagation of bad information. Of CC’s 21 wins only 1 of them did he allow more than 3 ER HIMSELF.

      August 28th vs ChiSox he went 7 IP and gave up 5 runs.

      -4 runs or more= 1-4 (2 ND)
      -3 runs or less= 20-3 (3 ND)
      -2 runs or less= 14-1 (2 ND)
      -1 run or less= 11-0 (2 ND)

      15 “ace”quality starts (7 IP and 2 runs or less allowed)

      **Felix still deserved to win though.

      • ginkers_11 5 years ago

        I didn’t say EARNED RUNS… I said RUNS… I don’t care if they were earned or not. I was simply stating that CC Got the difference in Wins by having a better offense behind him. If Felix pitched with the Yankee’s offense behind him he would have had at least 21 wins

  47. Gocubs2010 5 years ago

    Felix winning? Meh, Personally I woulda gave it to CaHill over Felix, A’s aren’t much better then Mariners and yet he still managed to almost win 20 games. CaHill finished WAY to low in the voting.

  48. start_wearing_purple 5 years ago

    Good, King Felix really deserved it. Though I thought Buchholz would have been in 4th place due to his ERA.

  49. ThinkBlue10 5 years ago

    Take that harold reynolds! Reynolds doesn’t know anything about baseball.

  50. ThinkBlue10 5 years ago

    Take that harold reynolds! Reynolds doesn’t know anything about baseball.

  51. Raven1985 5 years ago

    Thank you for getting it right. C.C. did not deserve it, just as Felix did not deserve it over Greinke last year. I’m sure Dave Niehaus is very proud.

  52. MikhelB 5 years ago

    Really? Felix deserves to win because of his numbers yet CC has better numbers than Price and David deserves second?

    Felix:
    13-12, 2.27 ERA, 34 games, 249 2/3 inn, 232 Ks, 70 walks, 1.057 WHIP
    CC:
    21-7, 3.18 ERA, 34 games, 237 2/3 inn, 197 Ks, 74 walks, 1.191 WHIP
    Price
    19-6, 2.72 ERA, 31 games, 208 2/3 inn, 188 Ks, 79 Walks, 1.193 WHIP

    Price it’s only better than Sabathia in ERA, but has less games pitched, less wins, less innings, less strikeouts, MORE walks, MORE WHIP.

  53. More WHIP? Really? You consider that to be a deciding factor? Good thing you brought up wins too.

  54. Price has better winning percentage, better K/ 9 and better BB/ 9 ratios than CC.

    I think that the big lesson in this story is that the value of wins in the Cy Young voting, and how starting pitchers are valued generally, has declined sharply. No longer is the number of wins the primary measure of a starting pitcher.

  55. Really! Quit whining about CC, he didn’t deserve to be in the top 5 but found 3 morons to vote for him.

  56. rbeezy 5 years ago

    why waste your time arguining .02 differnce in WHIP and K’s & BB’s when CC pitched 3 more games.

  57. 2.72 ERA is better than 3.18 ERA. Price deserved 2nd.
    glad the voters got it right on Felix winning the award.

  58. The big difference in all those numbers Price: AL EAST, CC: AL East, Felix: AL West to me the degree of difficulty comes into play and CC is your real Cy Young Winner!

  59. BlueCatuli 5 years ago

    You’re making a case for second place in CY Young voting. Is t a slow day at the office?

  60. BrocNessMonster 5 years ago

    More wins??? Oh man, this voting thing is flawed!

  61. not_brooks 5 years ago

    Really? You’re arguing about a single digit (or less) differences in a battle for second place in Cy Young voting?Wow…

  62. Bonesaw McGraw 5 years ago

    Sad sad day when we’re whining about who came SECOND in the Cy Young voting.

  63. coolstorybro222 5 years ago

    CC is with the freaking yankees. Anybody can get double digit wins with the yankees.

    Felix got his wins on one of the worst teams in baseball.

  64. wins is a HUGE factor since CC went 10-1 against the 3 last place teams in each division (sarcasm)

  65. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Sabathia: 3.54 (FIP) / 3.78 (xFIP) / 5.1 (WAR)Price: 3.57 (FIP) / 3.99 (xFIP) / 4.3 (WAR)I think a very good case could be made for Sabathia over Price. Of course, there are others that need to be in this discussion – more deserving than CC and Price …Lee: 3.18 ERA / 2.58 FIP / 3.23 xFIP / 7.1 WARVerlander: 3.37 ERA / 2.97 FIP / 3.68 xFIP / 6.3 WARLiriano: 3.62 ERA / 2.66 FIP / 3.06 xFIP / 6.0 WARWeaver: 3.01 ERA / 3.06 FIP / 3.51 xFIP / 5.9 WARLester: 3.25 ERA / 3.13 FIP / 3.29 xFIP / 5.6 WARIf the voters agree that wins aren’t the significant factor in the CY vote how is Cliff Lee not ahead of Price and CC? By a WAR standard he is significantly ahead of Hernandez. Now, WAR by itself shouldn’t be the only tool we have to evaluate a starting pitchers effectiveness and certainly Hernandez gets points for the extra 30+ innings he pitched vs Lee, but it should have been a lot closer between these two guys.It’s actually pretty disappointing that CC and Price did as well as they did. ERA is still being weighted too heavily. As voters get more educated they will hopefully start to notice that things like the pitchers defense, home park, competition, and bullpen all play significant parts in ERA.The guy that got no respect … Francisco Liriano. I don’t think people realize how epic his season was. 2nd highest K/9, 2nd lowest FIP, lowest xFIP. 6 WAR in only a 192 innings is huge. Unfortunately, he had an insanely high BABIP (340) and just a decent bullpen (73% LOB). Those factors plus his under 200 innings probably suppressed a lot of votes. But man, was he ever lights out this year.

  66. bjsguess 5 years ago

    Sabathia: 3.54 (FIP) / 3.78 (xFIP) / 5.1 (WAR)Price: 3.57 (FIP) / 3.99 (xFIP) / 4.3 (WAR)I think a very good case could be made for Sabathia over Price. Of course, there are others that need to be in this discussion – more deserving than CC and Price …Lee: 3.18 ERA / 2.58 FIP / 3.23 xFIP / 7.1 WARVerlander: 3.37 ERA / 2.97 FIP / 3.68 xFIP / 6.3 WARLiriano: 3.62 ERA / 2.66 FIP / 3.06 xFIP / 6.0 WARWeaver: 3.01 ERA / 3.06 FIP / 3.51 xFIP / 5.9 WARLester: 3.25 ERA / 3.13 FIP / 3.29 xFIP / 5.6 WARIf the voters agree that wins aren’t the significant factor in the CY vote how is Cliff Lee not ahead of Price and CC? By a WAR standard he is significantly ahead of Hernandez. Now, WAR by itself shouldn’t be the only tool we have to evaluate a starting pitchers effectiveness and certainly Hernandez gets points for the extra 30+ innings he pitched vs Lee, but it should have been a lot closer between these two guys.It’s actually pretty disappointing that CC and Price did as well as they did. ERA is still being weighted too heavily. As voters get more educated they will hopefully start to notice that things like the pitchers defense, home park, competition, and bullpen all play significant parts in ERA.The guy that got no respect … Francisco Liriano. I don’t think people realize how epic his season was. 2nd highest K/9, 2nd lowest FIP, lowest xFIP. 6 WAR in only a 192 innings is huge. Unfortunately, he had an insanely high BABIP (340) and just a decent bullpen (73% LOB). Those factors plus his under 200 innings probably suppressed a lot of votes. But man, was he ever lights out this year.

  67. Koby2 5 years ago

    The trolling level is maximum here.

  68. You know, it might just be because you and the other Yankees fans are the only people in the world who think CC should have even been top 3. I think you might already be getting senile, old man.

  69. RampantRedsFan 5 years ago

    Jeter had no business winning the gold glove… Everyone outside of NY (and most logical people in NY) know that.

  70. gigantes2425 5 years ago

    I don’t see how jeter winning the gold glove posses people off. A lot of people love him. People are saying things about CC because he didn’t deserve the cy young over Felix.

  71. Muggi 5 years ago

    If CC wasn’t a Yankee, he never would have been considered a top contender for the award.

  72. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    It’s got nothing to do with Sabathia being a Yankee and everything to do with the drama revolving around wins versus peripherals. The exact same thing happened last year with Greinke, except less pronounced as he was closer in wins to the AL leader (A three way tie between Felix, Sabathia and Verlander). Most of the drama last year was focused against Hernandez, actually, because he was considered the front runner for a while due to his nineteen wins.

    But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your Yankee Persecution Complex.

  73. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    Better numbers ?Please tell me why you think Felix doesn’t have better numbers than CC besides Wins…Every other category he is better than CC.

  74. But CC didn’t do that and never will. If you really think he was better than Weaver this year, I don’t know why I’m responding to you.

  75. BrocNessMonster 5 years ago

    He’d win at least 14 games if he played for Baltimore? Says who? Says what evidence?

  76. You have terrible reading comprehension. Absolutely horrible.

  77. vtadave 5 years ago

    Don’t bother.

  78. MetsEventually 5 years ago

    The comment is removed but I really want to read why this Yankee fan thinks wins are more important than ERA K and WHIP

  79. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    I never said anything about CC, so where, jr. ballbag, should CC have ranked with 21 wins?

  80. Yankees420 5 years ago

    If it makes you feel any better, I’m a Yankee fan that can say that Weaver had a statistically better year than C.C.

  81. Why do you keep bringing up wins? Seriously? He should’ve been 4th, IMO. Felix, Weaver, Price, CC. By the way, saying there’s a media bias campaign against CC isn’t saying anything about him? You are senile!!

  82. elclashcombo 5 years ago

    Seriously, why do you keep bringing Wins into this. It’s a useless stat in for this award.

  83. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    Yankee Persecution Complex? It is no complex, have you been reading these posts??? BTW, last years controversy is NOTHING to this year’s, that is all I’m saying.

  84. johnsilver 5 years ago

    Some NYY fans can’t play nice, or read facts, just like some of the other Sox fans as you know..

    My astonishing read into the results is how the heck did Weaver manage to finish 5th.. Bucholz was even below him and THAT is not tainted.. Every stat of Buch’s was better.. Must be another writer without a clue checking off that 2nd place box for Weaver there.

  85. So CC getting to face the second worst offense (Orioles) in the league 6 times, makes him the better pitcher?? 16-6 against rest of league.

  86. Initially I brought this up as well, but somebody did the leg work and it turned out Felix faced better competition than CC and Price did, as measured by opponents BA, OPS, wOBA etc.

    So nix that argument.

  87. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    Sabathia’s ERA against AL East teams was around 3.56
    Hernandez’s ERA against AL East teams was around 0.95

    Sabathia’s ERA against teams over .500 was 3.32
    Hernandez’s ERA against teams over .500 was 2.26

    The worst offense in the MLB was, in fact, in the AL West, I guess you’ve got us there. But wait, Sabathia actually pitched 21 innings against said worst offense in the MLB. Hernandez didn’t pitch any, because he had them for his run support.

    Hernandez deserved it. Sabathia had a great season, I won’t argue that, but Hernandez was a heck of a whole lot better.

  88. if you really think that then go check what Felix did when facing the East. he had good numbers against all 5 teams. Felix on any team in the East would not have made a difference.

  89. moonraker45 5 years ago

    Its funny because in Jeter contract threads, every Yankee fan brings up his declining D to show why he shouldn’t get a long contract, but meanwhile he wins the gold freaking glove.

  90. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    How can you say wins are a useless stat for this award!?!

  91. BrocNessMonster 5 years ago

    Price walked more in less innings… just sayin’

  92. Because wins are more dependant on a good team than it is on a good pitcher. Phil Hughes and John Lackey both got more wins than Felix, and I don’t think anyone could seriously argue that they’re better pitchers.

  93. TheHotCorner 5 years ago

    Funny! Great Post Al.

  94. laracco 5 years ago

    OOOOOOh I double posted on accident. How ignorant. Felix=Cy Young. Suck it.

  95. I actually agree with this statement. Yankee’s fans are mad because they also can’t buy love.

  96. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    If Hernandez was pitching for the Rangers this year, he probably would’ve gotten the Triple Crown. He already led in ERA, that run support would give the extra wins and getting to face the Mariners offense a couple times INSTEAD of the Rangers, he’d have the strikeout lead locked up too.

  97. woadude 5 years ago

    wins are a horrible stat that shouldnt be considered for the Cy Young or Hall of Fame, just like they dont look at home runs, they arent important for the MVP or Hall, they look at doubles and singles, like WHIP and innings.

  98. come on now, certainly that is too strong. CC’s a great pitcher. He had a good year. He was a top five pitcher without question.

  99. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Except for the fact that he was top 6 in ERA (tied w/ Cliff Lee @ 6th) , IP (2nd), Whip (tied 6th), Strikeouts (6th), GS (tied @ 1st). See I gave you 5 categories he ranked in the top 6th in and didn’t even have to use WINS.

  100. MB923 5 years ago

    He wasn’t in 2007 when he won it, on the Cleveland Indians.

  101. I think you mean. If CC was on a team that produced the same run support as the M’s, then CC should have won

  102. also – CC never had to face the Yankees…

  103. cayanksfan 5 years ago

    Matt D, flickadave, moonraker45 that I remembered!

  104. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Disclaimer: I have no problem with how the voting resulted.

    Hey “Homer” your use of the stats are interesting. You mention that CC had the chance to beat up on the Orioles but leave off the fact that he had to pitch against the 2nd and 3rd highest scoring team in the AL (Boston and Tampa) as well as the team that led the majors in HRS (Toronto). That’s 10 games vs those 3 teams and a 3-2 record, 5 no decisions despite a 3.30 ERA and 7 IP per game. How many times did Felix have to face the Yanks, Boston, Rays or Jays? A total of 5x.

    The pitcher who sort of got screwed was Clay Buchholz. He had an ERA comparable to Felix (2.33 to Felix’s 2.27) yet pitched in a tougher division (8 vs Yanks, Rays and Jays) and in a more hitter friendly park compared to Safeco. Yes he doesn’t get a single 1st or 2nd place vote.

  105. alxn 5 years ago

    Felix not getting to face his own team is a pretty big disadvantage as well

  106. Muggi 5 years ago

    Yes he is a great pitcher who had a good year. But, he was 7th in ERA, 15th in K/9, 19th in BB/9, 2nd in innings pitched but averaged less than 7ip per start (just barely). If he didn’t have 21 wins (which he probably would if he didn’t have a great offense behind him), he would not be a top CY contender.

    To compare, Cliff Lee had an identical ERA, better K/9, better BB/9 (led the league), averaged over 7.5ip/start, and threw 7 complete games…but he only won 12. How many CY votes did he get?

  107. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Really?

    Weaver pitched in AL West and faced some of worst offenses in baseball (M’s 4x = 3 ER in 29 IP,2-0, 2 ND), pitched in a pitcher friendly park (1.86 @ home vs 4.14 on the road) and he only pitched 4 games vs the Yanks (0), Rays (1, 0-1), Boston (2, 0-2) and Toronto (1,1-0).

    Weaver – 224 IP, 3.01 ERA, 1.07 whip, .222/.267/.355 and 9/K per 9
    Sabathia – 237 IP, 3.18 ERA, 1.19 whip, .239/.301/.355 and 7.5/K per 9

    Given the difference in competition and ballparks how is Weaver obviously the better pitcher in 2010 when he holds no huge advantage other than strikeouts?

  108. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    I’m a Sox fan and even I won’t pretend Buchholz deserved it over Hernandez. Dude pitched like sixty less innings. Buchholz had a breakout season, but King Felix was flat out dominant. Plus, Fenway’s actually not as daunting to righties like Buch. I’d honestly posit that Lester was the best pitcher on that staff.

  109. wakefield4life 5 years ago

    I’ll agree that Clay got screwed, but he did land on the DL (like most of the 2010 red sox) which cost him some innings. He definitely deserved some kind of recognition, though.

  110. wakefield4life 5 years ago

    I’ll agree that Clay got screwed, but he did land on the DL (like most of the 2010 red sox) which cost him some innings. He definitely deserved some kind of recognition, though.

  111. 0bsessions 5 years ago

    I could TRY. Give me four hours with a bottle of scotch and I bet I could punch something up.

  112. I don’t fully agree with this, because I still think that 300 wins is an accomplishment that should be commemorated. But if you read by other posts, you’ll see I hate the stat.

  113. what are you talking about for homeruns? they are possibly the 2nd most important normal stat, other than OBP. When you can drive yourself in, you did the most you can do. Yea a guy who hits .340 with 25 HRs is likely more valuable than a guy who hits .240 with 35, but Home runs are still extremely important.

  114. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    Huh? What?

  115. moonraker45 5 years ago

    AJ burnette?

  116. moonraker45 5 years ago

    AJ burnette?

  117. WiiCat 5 years ago

    He might be referring to Johan Santana.

  118. Muggi 5 years ago

    Exactly. Very nice season. Not a Cy Young season.

  119. Muggi 5 years ago

    Oh and he was actually tied for 7th in WHIP. Lee, Hernandez, Weaver, Cahill, Marcum were the top 5, Verlander-Guthrie-Braden tied for 6th, Lewis-CC-Price-Pavano tied for 7th.

  120. Muggi 5 years ago

    Exactly, and this ’07 and ’10 seasons were incredibly comparable…but the competition wasn’t. There were not several pitchers notably better than CC in ’07, there were in ’10.

    It should be noted ’07 was a much closer race than this season; the 21st-ranked ERA in ’07 was closer to the ERA leader than CC was this season. The 17th-ranked WHIP was the same distance from top as CC in ’10.

    ’07 was a year of a whole BUNCH of worthy candidates, CC being one of them.

    I’m actually not trying to hate on CC, I’m just saying put those stats on virtually any other team, THIS YEAR, he probably doesn’t win 21 and doesn’t even factor in the CY voting.

  121. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I didn’t say he should have won the Cy Young but you’re making it sound as if he shouldn’t even be in consideration or that he was ONLY in consideration because he is a Yankee and I just showed you that he was easily among the top 6 in every category, and I didn’t use the “WIN” total as an arguement. He was one of the best pitchers last year. If Felix was #1 @ 100 then CC and others are in that 90-95 range. AND it took Felix to have a “superb” season to disallow CC from winning this year.

  122. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    You’re absurd. You are totally overblowing the fact that he’s a Yankee. He had 1 win out of his 21 wins where he allowed more than 3 runs. That pretty much means that 99% of his wins were well earned.

    Again, Felix deserved it but it’s gotten to the point where you’re discounting how good Sabathia is BECAUSE he’s a Yankee. Almost like the arguement for Felix to be Cy Young but in reverse. Felix won because he was so good and his team so bad. CC pitched excellently but you’re discounting his season because he plays for a great offensive team. The Yankee offense has nothing to do with how WELL CC pitches. Even he wins 7 to 2 or 3-2 the fact is he only allowed those 2 runs right?

  123. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    I know who he’s referring to…Again….huh? what?

  124. nhsox 5 years ago

    The ERA title would have been close, as he could have lost to Buccholz by pitching half of his games in Texas as opposed to Safeco. He certainly could have benefited from facing the Mariners instead of the Rangers though.

  125. Muggi 5 years ago

    Very nice year. If he didn’t have 21 wins he wouldn’t have received a single first-place CY vote, and if he wasn’t on the Yankees he probably wouldn’t have won 20+ games.Again, if you take wins out of the equation, CC was not the 2nd-best pitcher in the AL. He was maybe…5th? Lee and Weaver were both WAY better than CC last season, Price was better than CC but a step behind those two. He had a very nice year. He shouldn’t be in the consideration when there’s several guys that were significantly better than him.

    As you said, he was Top 6 (actually 7) in all those categories. Lee and Weaver were above him in every one except IP’s. Price was above him in most as well. Why was CC 2nd place for the CY? Wins, and wins is because of the stellar offense he plays before.

  126. jt24 5 years ago

    look at run support. if weaver pitched like this in 2009, he would easily have had 20+ wins

  127. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    It’s clear you’re going to feel the way you feel and it’s another to use facts to base a statement on. Other than strikeouts Weaver did nothing signifigantly better. But go ahead and say that Sabathia wasn’t a top 5 AL pitcher last year. As for Lee his stint with Texas where he posted a 3.98 ERA in 108 IP took him out of contention for serious consideration.

  128. YanksFanSince78 5 years ago

    It’s clear you’re going to feel the way you feel and it’s another to use facts to base a statement on. Other than strikeouts Weaver did nothing signifigantly better. But go ahead and say that Sabathia wasn’t a top 5 AL pitcher last year. As for Lee his stint with Texas where he posted a 3.98 ERA in 108 IP took him out of contention for serious consideration.

  129. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    Never said wins are the only way to judge pitchers? And im not wrong…what is the first stat you see when looking at a pitchers numbers…uh wins!

    Felix is a better pitcher as i said! I wasnt arguing against him…i just gave another point of view.

    But since you said i was wrong lets see

    pitcher A is 21-7

    pitcher b is 13-12

    choose A or B…which one?

  130. jt24 5 years ago

    JOHAN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CC

  131. RiverKKiller999 5 years ago

    No I don’t, that’s what I get for trying to pull an all nighter.I wasn’t focused at all, my apologies for being wrong ballbag and barajas and every one else.

  132. Muggi 5 years ago

    Weaver struck out more per 9, walked less per 9, had a lower avg against (despite a HIGHER BABIP), lower WHIP, ERA, xFIP, and a higher WAR. You can look at it with new stats or old stats, Weaver was better.

    I say Sabathia wasn’t a top-5 pitcher last year because the stats say there were at least 5 better than him. Seriously, he’s great and had a good year, but take off the Yankee rose-colored’s for a minute and look objectively. He threw a lot of innings, that and the wins are the only things CC has going for him in this discussion.

  133. Muggi 5 years ago

    Weaver struck out more per 9, walked less per 9, had a lower avg against (despite a HIGHER BABIP), lower WHIP, ERA, xFIP, and a higher WAR. You can look at it with new stats or old stats, Weaver was better.

    I say Sabathia wasn’t a top-5 pitcher last year because the stats say there were at least 5 better than him. Seriously, he’s great and had a good year, but take off the Yankee rose-colored’s for a minute and look objectively. He threw a lot of innings, that and the wins are the only things CC has going for him in this discussion.

  134. Ben_Cherington 5 years ago

    Youre killing me man! Look im just givng a different argument than everyone else. Plus no on would pick B if thats all the info they had….thus the reason for only given that info. If you would read i agree with you just giving a different pov.

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