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So the Brewers give Braun to the Braves for Jurrjens, Delgado, and Venters and the Braves say………………..Thank you for letting us steal Ryan Braun from you!!!!!!!
Venters wasn’t apart of that. The dude said not involving Venters or Kimbrel. But, that still made me laugh. For Braun to even be on his way to Atlanta, Teheran or Heyward would have to be involved as the centerpiece.
I don’t think Teheran or Heyward (no way) would need to be included. The Braves have a deep farm system. I think something along the lines of Mike Minor, Craig Kimbrel, Christhian Bethancourt, and Randall Delgado or Vizcaino would at least make the Brewers think about it. That would be three of the Braves’ top 5 – 6 prospects.
The Brewers have a million catching prospects so I doubt they’ll need another but I agree with you that Heyward or Teheran WOULD NOT have to be included.
I’d do that in a heartbeat! Heck I’d even add Beachy to the deal for good measure!!!
I’ll add my own stupid scenario…Braun to the Phils for Singleton, Vance Worley, and Raul Ibanez!
Phils solve their LH-heavy lineup/OF issue, Brewers get an heir apparent to Fielder, a young pitching prospect with some ML experience, and a stop-gap for RF!
Make it happen!
that is way too little…going to Philadelphia. They would need to include Prince Fielder and put him in RF. duh.
Ibanez has major negative value.
Its called sarcasm
Outside of Brown, i’m not very familiar with the Phillies prospects, which means I don’t the real value of those guys, so i’m not going to know between real and sarcasm on this topic.
Jonathan Singleton really mashed this year, especially in the first half, so in all seriousness, he’s actually an interesting piece. Not sure how teams value Vance Worley. I think he has good stuff, but I’m a bit biased as in the fact that I like the guy. Lol. He’s going to compete for the fifth starter’s spot in 2011.
Looking over both of their numbers, I can see that Singleton mashed the ball. I’m not really hooked on Worley, but I might be wrong.
Worley’s not a budding star by any means, but he’s got decent stuff. He’s a future 4, upside of a 3 IMO.
I agree, that’s a fair assessment. He showed a pretty impressive arsenal in a couple of brief appearances in 2010. Fastball, slider, curve, and a changeup with good control. If he can continue to pitch like he did in 13 innings in 2010 (even though it’s a miniscule sample size), he may prove to be more useful than that. That’s just my opinion though.
A trade for Braun will have to involve at least your top young player. Brown would have to be involved. And Ibanez involved is just not going to happen.
Yeah it’s completely stupid, I wasn’t trying to start anything Though Singleton is a hell of a hitting prospect, by far the best the Phils have not named Brown…some think he’s going to be better than Brown long-term, and he’s a natural 1B. The Phils have been trying to shoehorn him into the OF, but he’s also a lefty so…tough to find him a spot in the lefty-heavy Phils’ lineup. He’s also several years away.
I’m not calling it stupid. I’m just saying with Ibanez in the trade, Melvin would never accept that trade. Melvin would also want major-league read players, and as you stated, Singleton is several years away.
Well I’m callin it stupid 😛
In all seriousness, even with Brown in the mix I think the Phils would be wise to at least make a call. Brown should come around at the plate, but I have doubts about his glove. He hasn’t made any REALLY bad plays out there, but he just looks…awkward.
If they REALLY think Singleton can play the OF, and his season wasn’t a fluke (and in the opinion of scouts, it wasn’t), trading Brown to get a monster like Braun should be something they consider. Now, what ABOVE Brown it would cost is where things get sticky, and the inclusion of Ibanez was mostly a joke, but also a nob to the Phils’ budget situation. Maybe if the Brewers are looking for an innings-eater, the Phils could add Blanton and pay $3-4m of his salary…he’s nothing special, but he’d be a bargain for the Crew at $4-5m per.
I’m reaching, trying to shoehorn in players that could save the Phils some cash. I just don’t see them raising the payroll again this year, and even at bargain-pricing Braun takes them over $150m for only 2/3 of a team.
I remember reading somewhere that the Brewers were looking for two major league ready starting pitchers for Prince Fielder, and what was a year and a half of control at the time. Ryan Braun is under team control until 2015. Lol. That’s why it seems ridiculous for the Brewers to even consider trading the guy. Hell, if they could extend Fielder though, he’d restock their farm system. That’s for sure. They’d want half the Phillies farm system. I’m sure they’d want Domonic Brown, Jonathon Singleton, Brody Colvin, Jarred Cosart… Not even sure where they’d go after that. Joe Blanton would be a nice throw in, but I don’t think he’s even positive value compared to Ryan Braun. Lol. I’m sure Cole Hamels’ name would at least come up.
Fielder can possibly command $18+ million when he hits free agency, so I don’t anyone would give up anything useful for him unless the Brewers eat half his contract, or even more of it.
You think the Brewers are going to have to eat at least 50% of Prince Fielder’s contract to get “anything useful”?? You’re joking, right?
Most Braves fans place way too much value on Jurrjens. He is a decent pitcher but not good enough to bring back a player like Braun.
He also doesn’t have good stuff.
Now that is sarcasm.
Yeah, he will never be a big strikeout pitcher. He is a pitch-to-contact guy that relies on his defense a lot. I see him as a pretty good #3 pitcher. I was really impressed with Mike Minor when he was first called up this past season. He ran out of gas at the end of the year but that kid has dynamite stuff. The Braves future rotation of Hanson/Teheran/Minor could be a devastating 1-2-3 punch in a couple of years.
Absolutley your 100% right. Plus you have Randall Delgado another high K guy and Vizcaino and Perez, two pitch to contact guys who are really good as well.
thoughts from a Padre fan on the proposed Cub trade mentioned in chat. Colvin is a good player, but Padres are looking for high OBP CF who can lead off. Also need 2B and/or SS. Soto and Cashner could be part of the mix. I would love either of them. I think Padres would like to get Hak-Ju Lee for their ss. Brett Jackson would fit as a potential candidate for cf. Christopher Archer also would be of interest. So to recap, Padres would need 3 to 4 players coming back. It might be three if Soto is included. Four if he isn’t. Padre priorities are CF, and 2b/SS. That is why Jackson and Lee fill those voids. We also love pitching in any trade so Casherner or Archer would fit the bill. So to answer the Cubs post: Soto, Cashner, Jackson or Lee would probably do it.
I’ve heard that the Cubs will not have to give up Soto, Cashner, Castro, Brett Jackson, Josh Vitters, or maybe even Hak-Ju Lee to get him. They probably WOULD have to give up Archer, Jay Jackson, and probably Hak-Ju Lee however (and then some lower spects).
I agree. I can’t see the Cubs trading Soto at all, but particularly for a rental player.
SD papers keep beating the drum of 2B/SS and CF. Hak-Ju Lee is almost a certain IF Brett Jackson is not included. Cubs have loads of great prospects, but the SD needs are getting people on base and great defense up the middle. Personally, I think Cubs line up the best as a trading partner because of the great depth in minors. BOSOX would be #2, CHISOX #3. Keep in mind, SD lost out on being in the playoffs the last game of the season. SD was the last team to win a series again SF. Making a run for it in 2011 is not out of the question. No one (including myself) thought they would go as far as they did in 2010. If they let A-Gon walk, they will most likely get a couple of high draft choices.
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