Odds & Ends: Dodgers, Barmes, Thornton, Braves

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Muggi
4 years 9 months ago

I really hope the Phils protect de Fratus and Rizzotti. de Fratus is looking like a nice bullpen arm/setup type, and Rizzotti is proving his last season wasn’t a fluke. He’s never going to play anywhere but 1B, but if he can be even passable there he’s got a good chance his bat makes the bigs (though obviously not in Philly). Good B-grade trade chip.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

I think they’ll protect both of them. I thought the interesting name that Todd threw out there was D’Arby Myers. He’s never done anything spectacular, and I can’t see a team taking a chance on him in the Rule 5. I’m thinking De Fratus has a chance to break camp with the team though.

philsWSchamps
4 years 9 months ago

agree. Save all you can in this order.

1.De Fratus
2.Rizzotti
3.Herndon
4. Mathieson
5.Bastardo

Rizzotti’s doing well in AFL action too.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I disagree with McTaggart…Clint Barmes has a career .300 OBP and the last time the Rockies acquried a starting pitcher like they did today with Paulino was Jason Hammel, which turned out well, and Jorge De La Rosa, which turned out well…If anything, I think the Astros got extremely robbed…If you subtract Paulino’s last 2 starts which were mainly because of injury and his sept/oct appearances which he was recovering from injury, he didn’t have a bad season…I really, really like this move for the Rockies.

BobbyJohn
4 years 9 months ago

I agree completely. The Rockies were all but certain to non-tender Barmes, and they wind up getting a live arm to try to harness in a trade for him instead.

BobbyJohn
4 years 9 months ago

I agree completely. The Rockies were all but certain to non-tender Barmes, and they wind up getting a live arm to try to harness in a trade for him instead.

PDR297
4 years 9 months ago

I’d actually have to disagree with this. Felipe is the better talent, but he was out of options. With the Astros experimenting with Wesley Wright as a starter and Paulino’s constant struggles the Astros were lucky to not lose him on a waiver claim. Barmes isn’t the solution, but he is a better stop gap than Tommy Manzella.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Paulino is nothing special outside of his fastball. I wish the Astros would have found someone else to trade for Barmes, but I wouldn’t get too worked up about him. I’ve never thought he had the secondary stuff or health to hack it as a starter. If Barmes hits 8th, provides a little pop and plays a good shortstop, then I think this trade is well worth it for the Astros. Paulino might turn out to be a good bullpen arm, but honestly I don’t think he can stay healthy enough to even do that. He reminds me of Joel Zumaya in a lot of ways

And I don’t think Hammel and De La Rosa have been great successes for the Rockies. Both have been serviceable back of the rotation starters (in De La Rosa’s case, a back of the rotation starter w/ a live arm), but if that’s Paulino’s ceiling, then I think this a wash. A serviceable pitcher for a serviceable player at a premium position

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

From June 4th of 09 to present, De La Rosa has been one of the best pitchers in Baseball.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m not disagreeing with you, but will you post numbers proving that? On topic, I could care less. As long as the Ranger’s didn’t trade Neftali for Cezar Izturis, I’m fine.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

He seems streaky to me. He had a nice second half of the season last year, but he missed two months earlier this summer, and it seemed like he was good every other month when he was healthy this year (just from glancing at his stats). Granted, I’ve barely watched him, but I don’t think I’d trust him to be more than a 3rd starter for my team.

Point being though, I don’t think Paulino is as special as his fastball velocity might indicate

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Fair enough, and I never said Jorge De La Rosa deserves the money he’ll get this off-season, I’m just saying he was one of the best from June 4th of 09 on.

BobbyJohn
4 years 9 months ago

Winningest, yes. Best? Not so much.

He made 42 starts from 6/4/09 through the end of 2010 and totalled 252 IP (6 IP per start). His cumulative ERA was 4.07. Even when he won 16 games over the last half of the ’09 season his ERA was 3.94.

He’s a #3 (or #4) starter on most teams (even the Rockies), but he’s about to get paid like a #1 or #2.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

From June 4th of 09 to present, De La Rosa has been one of the best pitchers in Baseball.

4 years 9 months ago

Phillies should trade Chase Utley to the Twins for Nick Blackburn and JJ Hardy

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Twins should trade Mauer to Philly for Blanton and Ruiz

4 years 9 months ago

Phillies would get robbed, Amaro would never do that. He’d want bodies to “replenish the farm”.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Fine, Maur + Denard + 10 mil for Ibanez + Ruiz? Seems fair.

4 years 9 months ago

Throw in Cole Hamel’s wife and you got a deal.

4 years 9 months ago

Throw in Cole Hamel’s wife and you got a deal.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

No…Denard Spandy man Can is staying put. Please don’t trade him Bill Smith.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Then instead of Span, Cuddyer and an extra 10 mil ( for his contract ) to platoon with Brown.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

No…Denard Spandy man Can is staying put. Please don’t trade him Bill Smith.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Fine, Maur + Denard + 10 mil for Ibanez + Ruiz? Seems fair.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Bill Smith: Hey Ruben! How are you doing bud?
Ruben: Good thanks Bill
Bill Smith: So can we have Chase Utley for Nick Blackburn and J.J. Hardy?
Ruben: Please don’t call me ever again.

4 years 9 months ago

Conversation continued

Bill Smith:What do you mean?
Ruben:Don’t tell me your serious, your gonna ask for Chase Utley without throwing in Jason Tyner?
Bill Smith: Your right i’m sorry I thought we could do a 2 for 1 but i’ll throw him in if we got a deal.
Ruben: Start the paperwork, Phillies fans are in for a treat!

4 years 9 months ago

Conversation continued

Bill Smith:What do you mean?
Ruben:Don’t tell me your serious, your gonna ask for Chase Utley without throwing in Jason Tyner?
Bill Smith: Your right i’m sorry I thought we could do a 2 for 1 but i’ll throw him in if we got a deal.
Ruben: Start the paperwork, Phillies fans are in for a treat!

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Moving back to VA. Hope to help the base there regrow after moving the AAA club to ATL.

4 years 9 months ago

Sucks to not have a club in the Carolinas though.

RiverKKiller999
4 years 9 months ago

Philly should trade Howard to the Royals for Grenkie,Butler,Soria… lmao thats a good joke haha

4 years 9 months ago

Phillies would have to throw in Ben Francisco and Kyle Kendrick to be fair.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Fair for who? Howard is an amazing player and his defense has gotten better, but Butler, Soria, & Grenkie’s contracts are just too good right now.

Dylan
4 years 9 months ago

Calm down, it was clearly a joke.

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

can’t be too sure now a-days, but seeing as it was the same one joking with me earlier, I should have gotten that… my fault.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

I thought jokes are supposed to be funny

NL_East_Rivalry
4 years 9 months ago

Fair for who? Howard is an amazing player and his defense has gotten better, but Butler, Soria, & Grenkie’s contracts are just too good right now.

4 years 9 months ago

Phillies would have to throw in Ben Francisco and Kyle Kendrick to be fair.

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

change butler for a 2ndbase prospect who is very close to the majors and not a totlly bad trade they way they can slot utley over to 1st

jwsox
4 years 9 months ago

change butler for a 2ndbase prospect who is very close to the majors and not a totlly bad trade they way they can slot utley over to 1st

Bill Spiers Is My Hero
4 years 9 months ago

I sincerely hope Barmes isn’t the “answer” at SS for the Astros. Ideally, he’d be the newest version of Geoff Blum, who routinely came up with clutch hits for the Stros. I like Barmes in Houston, but again, not as the everyday starting SS.

Paulino was given MANY opportunities to be a successful pitcher in Houston, but injuries and overall ineffectiveness made him expendable…despite the big arm. Yeah, it’s great to throw 95 but he throws a flat fastball and nothing else with any great success. Great talent, maybe Colorado will be good for him.

Any deal that Ed Wade makes is going to be met with a lot of criticism, so the “dumb GM” cracks are to be expected. We’ll have to see what else this deal leads to, but on it’s face I like it.

4 years 9 months ago

At the present time, there is no real answer at SS for the Astros, and I strongly doubt they’re considering Barmes for anything more than a stopgap. They’re not going to invest heavily in a free agent SS when they’re not going to be competitive for a few years, and they don’t really have anything on the farm. So, for me, Barmes is as good as anyone. He’ll probably move around the infield, mostly at shortstop. I’d rather have someone to platoon with Keppinger at second, but I don’t think Barmes is the answer there.

4 years 9 months ago

At the present time, there is no real answer at SS for the Astros, and I strongly doubt they’re considering Barmes for anything more than a stopgap. They’re not going to invest heavily in a free agent SS when they’re not going to be competitive for a few years, and they don’t really have anything on the farm. So, for me, Barmes is as good as anyone. He’ll probably move around the infield, mostly at shortstop. I’d rather have someone to platoon with Keppinger at second, but I don’t think Barmes is the answer there.

4 years 9 months ago

Paulino is out of options, and very could have been lost for nothing. Paulino throws hard and that’s it. Barmes isn’t gonna set the world on fire, but is experienced, and Manzella hasn’t exactly established himself at SS, and Keppinger isn’t secure at 2b either.

Bill Spiers Is My Hero
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, as an Astros fan, I’ve watched Paulino throughout his career and I can say that at times he’s outstanding. However, he’s lacked the consistency to put together a string of solid starts. He has always shown just enough to avoid being sent down/ released. I’m guessing he’ll continue the same way in COL, but with some even more spectacular flameouts (given the thin air and all).

Bill Spiers Is My Hero
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, as an Astros fan, I’ve watched Paulino throughout his career and I can say that at times he’s outstanding. However, he’s lacked the consistency to put together a string of solid starts. He has always shown just enough to avoid being sent down/ released. I’m guessing he’ll continue the same way in COL, but with some even more spectacular flameouts (given the thin air and all).

4 years 9 months ago

Paulino is out of options, and very could have been lost for nothing. Paulino throws hard and that’s it. Barmes isn’t gonna set the world on fire, but is experienced, and Manzella hasn’t exactly established himself at SS, and Keppinger isn’t secure at 2b either.

Bill Spiers Is My Hero
4 years 9 months ago

I sincerely hope Barmes isn’t the “answer” at SS for the Astros. Ideally, he’d be the newest version of Geoff Blum, who routinely came up with clutch hits for the Stros. I like Barmes in Houston, but again, not as the everyday starting SS.

Paulino was given MANY opportunities to be a successful pitcher in Houston, but injuries and overall ineffectiveness made him expendable…despite the big arm. Yeah, it’s great to throw 95 but he throws a flat fastball and nothing else with any great success. Great talent, maybe Colorado will be good for him.

Any deal that Ed Wade makes is going to be met with a lot of criticism, so the “dumb GM” cracks are to be expected. We’ll have to see what else this deal leads to, but on it’s face I like it.

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

Rizzotti would look good in a Buccos uniform!

Dylan
4 years 9 months ago

We’ll give u Vic and Rizzoti for McCutchen, haha.

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

Nice try! I am just hoping the Phillies leave Rizzotti off the 40 man roster so we can get him in the rule 5 draft!

Dylan
4 years 9 months ago

Good chance of that. It’s unfortunate because he could be am attractive piece to land them somebody…his d is rough tho.

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

They still have a day or 2? not quite sure. It would be a nice player to get out of the draft, I doubt they would pick him up though, another team for sure would.

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

They still have a day or 2? not quite sure. It would be a nice player to get out of the draft, I doubt they would pick him up though, another team for sure would.

Dylan
4 years 9 months ago

Good chance of that. It’s unfortunate because he could be am attractive piece to land them somebody…his d is rough tho.

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

Nice try! I am just hoping the Phillies leave Rizzotti off the 40 man roster so we can get him in the rule 5 draft!

Dylan
4 years 9 months ago

We’ll give u Vic and Rizzoti for McCutchen, haha.

SteelCityResident13
4 years 9 months ago

Rizzotti would look good in a Buccos uniform!

explodet
4 years 9 months ago

McTaggart should be fired.

BobbyJohn
4 years 9 months ago

Chacin better be “off limits”. He was their 2nd-best starter (even WITH De la Rosa on the team) in 2010. Too bad Tracy got hung up on “veterans” and sent the kid back to the bullpen when Cook and Francis got healthy.

BobbyJohn
4 years 9 months ago

Chacin better be “off limits”. He was their 2nd-best starter (even WITH De la Rosa on the team) in 2010. Too bad Tracy got hung up on “veterans” and sent the kid back to the bullpen when Cook and Francis got healthy.

4 years 9 months ago

“Daddy, can you land me a job in baseball?” asked Schuerholtz the younger.
Schuerholtz the elder replied, “Sure thing son, you can manage a minor league team. Heck, Trey Wilson did a good job at it in Bull Durham.”

Ah, baseball and its never-ending cycle of nepotism.

Red_Line_9
4 years 9 months ago

yeah, those minor league managing gigs are pretty posh. Riding around on a bus and slugging equipment around in the heat and humidity. Getting paid enough so you only have to work one job in the offseason. Living at the Best Wester for 6 straight months.

I’d say if Shuerholtz Jr. is willing to take that gig and make it work…power to him.

4 years 9 months ago

yankees will not need crawford…they will get lee

4 years 9 months ago

Matt Thornton, as a White Sox fan, thank you for being a reliable bullpen arm the last few years and salvaging our investment in Joe Borchard. That being said, no way in hell do I want to see a 33 (soon to be 34) year old situational middle reliever get any sort of sizable extension. Either take 2 years, or I’ll gladly flip you for prospects.

“Loyalty? This is business folks.”

klassic
4 years 9 months ago

How can you call Thornton a “situational middle reliever”. He is a shut down setup man. He is far better than a LOOGY. He is dominating against lefties and righties.

jt24
4 years 9 months ago

i cant believe im saying this but i hope the yankees get lee, crawford will be expensive as it is. if the yankees get involved, the price is gonna sky rocket

Yankees579
4 years 9 months ago

THANK YOU! I’ve been saying that Crawford Is a good backup plan, than u move Gardner to center and ship granderson + prospects OUT OF NEW YORK for a VERY GOOD PITCHER!!

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

“The Yankees will pursue Carl Crawford if they do not land Cliff Lee, writes Newsday’s Ken Davidoff.”

Can he throw a slider?

4 years 9 months ago

Anyone else think that its smart for the Giants to not go after Crawford?

I feel like if they sink that money into a big time FA there is no way they can retain Linc, Cain, Bumgarner, Posey, Wilson (and possibly Belt) long term…

giants956
4 years 9 months ago

im tired of the yankees just trying to buy themselves a world championship. they should just do it like the rest of teams and produce talent from there farm system. most people outside of new york just like them because the yankee are good and buy there championship for the most part. there in the conversation for every big free agent every year and they allows seem to get them. i wouldnt doubt it if they got crawford and lee.

Yankees579
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t make me backhand u with stats to prove you wrong stupid.

giants956
4 years 9 months ago

1 New York Yankees 206,738,389
2 Boston Red Sox 160,913,333
3 Chicago Cubs 146,609,000
4 Philadelphia Phillies 142,728,379

Yankees579
4 years 9 months ago

Payroll for re-signing their own players doesn’t mean they BUY players silly muffins.Tex- FAjeter- HOMEGROWNcano- HOMEGROWNposada- HOMEGROWNArod- TRADEDSwisher- TRADEDGranderson- TRADEDGardner- HOMEGROWNCC- FABURNETT- FAPETTITE- HOMEGROWN RESIGNEDVASQUEZ- TRADEDHUGHES- HOMEGROWNBULLPEN- MIX OF MOSTLY HOMEGROWN + TRADE + FARIVERA- HOMEGROWN.I rest my case, just watch another sport. Smh