Odds & Ends: Westbrook, De La Rosa, Papelbon

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4 years 9 months ago

The Atlanta Braves acquired All-Star second baseman Dan Uggla from the Florida Marlins for utilityman Omar Infante and pitcher Mike Dunn on Tuesday in the first trade of the general managers’ meetings.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m sure the contract demands had something to do with the Marlins’ leverage here, but sure seems like they didn’t get a lot for Uggla, unless you think being an All-Star makes Infante great, which I don’t. (Solid player though.) Still, thought they’d get more for him. As someone on another blog commented, feels like Dodgers could have offered Jamey Carroll and Scott Elbert and even that would be about as good as this.

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

Let’s not get THAT carried away. Infante >> Carroll.

4 years 9 months ago

He is better than Carroll, yes, agreed, though not by as much as you think. I think Infante got a little overvalued this year because he was an All Star pick at utility position. He’s good, but compare JC and OI numbers this year f’rinstance.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=INFANTE19811226A
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=CARROLL19740218A

But still, yes, agree, Infante’s a bit better, and more importantly quite a bit younger than Carroll. Was just throwing that out there. Still think Braves got a good deal,esp as they got to hold on to Martin Prado.

4 years 9 months ago

He is better than Carroll, yes, agreed, though not by as much as you think. I think Infante got a little overvalued this year because he was an All Star pick at utility position. He’s good, but compare JC and OI numbers this year f’rinstance.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=INFANTE19811226A
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=CARROLL19740218A

But still, yes, agree, Infante’s a bit better, and more importantly quite a bit younger than Carroll. Was just throwing that out there. Still think Braves got a good deal,esp as they got to hold on to Martin Prado.

not_brooks
4 years 9 months ago

Five/71 is even more nuts than the Five/58 that we were hearing about forever.

Unless the Braves can hammer something out with Uggs, I have a feeling he’s going to be sitting on the market for a while next winter. Hitting is only half of the game, Danno.

dunnetg
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla probably is a rental, but I don’t mind – considering his age and his already lousy glove, I don’t think Atlanta needs to be paying him eight figures for his age 35 season.

That said, the deal looks great for 2011. A reliable right-handed power bat, freeing Prado as Chipper insurance at 3B, in exchange for a (good) utility guy and a very replaceable lefty reliever. His glove will cost Atlanta some runs, but Prado-Jones-Heyward-Uggla-McCann is a very good top five in the order.

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

uggla is already heading to san fran in his mind

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

You know him?

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

ya; we burn every night. dude loves the bong…. him and cody are apparently good buddies and cody has been pushing him to wait for FA and come to San Fran. with his reluctance to work with Florida I can definitely see this happening…

gigantes2425
4 years 9 months ago

I sure do hope so

Jay212033
4 years 9 months ago

I hope so too so we can get SF 1st rd pk.

turkeyslayer80
4 years 9 months ago

He will be coming in FA. Not this year.

turkeyslayer80
4 years 9 months ago

Cody Ross and Uggla are friends. Uggla and Ross have both hinted that Uggla would love to come to the Giants when he hits FA.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Justin Upton…

Billy Butler, Danny Duffy, and Louis Coleman
Brett Oberholtzer, Randall Delgado, Carlos Perez, and Mycal Jones
Casey Kelly, Drake Britton, Ryan Kalish, and Stolmy Pimentel
Ben Revere, Kyle Gibson, Anthony Slama, and Miguel Sano
Dellin Betances, Joba Chamberlain, Manny Banuelos, and Francisco Arcia
Kyle Drabek, Anthony Gose, Travis Snider, and Danny Farquahar
Felix Pie, Zach Britton, Patrick Egan, and L.J. Hoes
Stephen Parker, Chris Carter, and Grant Green

Just some ideas.

55saveslives
4 years 9 months ago

I’m hoping the Giants make a call, although I’m not sure they’ll trade in-division.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Brandon Belt, Zack Wheeler, Heath Hembree, and Ehire Adrianza should get it done.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t give up that much for Upton, that’s potentially 3 impact players for the Giants, but to trade in division would take a package like that. If we get an Upton, I’d go for B.J. who can be gotten for much less and possibly even packaged with Bartlett for less than that

vtadave
4 years 9 months ago

Wheeler is so far from the big leagues that the only player in that package I’d lose sleep over giving up is Belt. That said, this is Justin Upton here, not B.J., so it may be worth it.

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

That is true, I’m just not sure that keeping Belt and adding Bartlett while hoping a fresh start helps B.J. is not a better option than losing Belt and adding Justin

4 years 9 months ago

I’d drop a Belt for a BJ!

4 years 9 months ago

I’d drop a Belt for a BJ!

Reaper87
4 years 9 months ago

That is true, I’m just not sure that keeping Belt and adding Bartlett while hoping a fresh start helps B.J. is not a better option than losing Belt and adding Justin

turkeyslayer80
4 years 9 months ago

they will not trade Belt. Period.

yankeesfan88
4 years 9 months ago

What are you saying with this post? I see 20+ names, pitchers and position players, and then “Just some ideas.” You understand that has to be the least clear post I’ve seen in a long time. If you are going to take up space on the page, try to speak English and get your point across.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

This is the second time in two days where you have knocked me just to knock me…

Each line is for a different team.

PookieGonzales
4 years 9 months ago

If you deal with every hater in the world that’s all you’ll spend you time doing. Don’t even bother anwsering to this tool. He’s not worth effort. Anyone with any prosepct knowlage got it pretty quick.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Gotcha Pooks. Thanks dawg.

yankeesfan88
4 years 9 months ago

Before rushing to the guys aid, read what he says:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dan-uggla-rumors-monday.html

yankeesfan88
4 years 9 months ago

Before rushing to the guys aid, read what he says:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dan-uggla-rumors-monday.html

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Okay but what do they mean? Does each line represent the set of players you would want for Upton?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah how is it that unclear?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah how is it that unclear?

eviola1
4 years 9 months ago

Okay but what do they mean? Does each line represent the set of players you would want for Upton?

4 years 9 months ago

wow dude I really think that is harsh, it seems fairly clear what he was posting here, and I think they are overall pretty good ideas. And unless you had better suggestions for each team what is the big deal? I found his post interesting, as I’m sure others did as well. Even if you disagree with some of it, doesn’t make him wrong. just saying

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I agree. Thanks man…I don’t get it either.

yankeesfan88
4 years 9 months ago

Before rushing to the guys aid, read what he says:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dan-uggla-rumors-monday.html

4 years 9 months ago

yeah what did he say there that was so wrong? About Hill having a bad year? no idea what point you are possibly trying to make

4 years 9 months ago

yeah what did he say there that was so wrong? About Hill having a bad year? no idea what point you are possibly trying to make

yankeesfan88
4 years 9 months ago

Before rushing to the guys aid, read what he says:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/dan-uggla-rumors-monday.html

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

It’s an MLB rumors site and the guy listed a line of prospects from multiple teams under the name of a guy who’s allegedly being shopped. Anyone with even a vague grasp of simple logic and knowledge of current baseball happenings can easily figure out what he’s talking about. I think you’re letting some kind of petty grudge get in the way of simple rationalization here based off of your repeated linking of some benign comment.

AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs
4 years 9 months ago

Francisco Arcia isn’t a prospect, he’s organizational depth.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

What? No he’s not…He’s among the top 20/30 catching prospects in the game.

yankeesfan88
4 years 9 months ago

This is a really funny comment given the fact that hes in his 3rd year at A ball with extremely uninspiring numbers. Prospects are players who look great in the minors, not just any bat boy wandering around a minor league ball park.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

He was really good in the Sally League then got injured and went down to Staten Island where he played through injury and wasn’t the same. I’m pretty sure that was the case.

4 years 9 months ago

I think Arcia is well above organizational depth, but he probably isn’t on the level to be the 4th player in a deal like this. I’d say this next year is crucial for him, but right now I’d say he is most likely to develop into a backup catcher type.

As for the rest of those deals I think a lot are fairly close to what you will end up seeing if a deal is made. Just out of curiosity what would you put in a potential Nats deal?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

For the Nats I’d have to say…J. Zimmermann, Brad Peacock, Brad Meyers, and Derek Norris. That’s a little light…But could work.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

If I was the D’backs, I would absolutely demand Drew Storen in any deal.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

the nats would have to be the most idiotic team in baseball…so it would get done

4 years 9 months ago

That is what I was afraid you’d say from the Nats, as for them I think J. Zimmermann would be a deal breaker. Norris, Meyers, Peacock and even Storen plus a prospect would be something they could consider, but given their lack of SP and Strasburg on the shelf for a year I don’t think they could make that deal.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Ill do Millone, Peacock, Meyers, Norris, and Storen. That would make sense to me.

mrmet128
4 years 9 months ago

how would anyone not get your post up there, i understood it easily.can you do a trade offer for the Mets? i’m not sure what it would take to get him, and i know we don’t have a need for him and won’t get him, but just for the hell of it.i was thinking maybe Mejia, Flores, Niuwenheis, Martinez for Upton?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Thanks dude.

I’ll go with, Wilmer Flores, Armando Rodriguez, Kirk Nieuwenhius and Bobby Parnell.

4 years 9 months ago

That is what I was afraid you’d say from the Nats, as for them I think J. Zimmermann would be a deal breaker. Norris, Meyers, Peacock and even Storen plus a prospect would be something they could consider, but given their lack of SP and Strasburg on the shelf for a year I don’t think they could make that deal.

4 years 9 months ago

is there a way the yanks can get him with banuelos, joba, sanchez/romine, laird, and another arm

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Not sure that Laird has value…But Banuelos, Joba, Romine, Gardner could work.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t see Garnder being a viable piece in the puzzle. He’s much older than Upton, will be hitting arbitration after next season and is actually under team control for a shorter amount of time. Same goes for Chamberlain who’s actually hitting arbitration this year. The two of them alone could very well prove pricier than Upton (Especially with Gardner coming off the season he just had, unless he collapses in 2010, he’s going to get mighty expensive soon).

If they’re trading a 23 year old cost controlled outfielder with extremely high upside, they’ll want guys in the high minors (Essentially MLB ready, but not having ticked any time off of the arbitration clock), at least one of them a sure thing. As an example, the Yankees wouldn’t get a deal done without including Montero.

4 years 9 months ago

Seems like a heck of a lot coming from Toronto relative to the other squads. Not sure how it would make sense for the Jays to trade Snider in an Upton deal at all, especially with those other guys.

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t think the Braves would have to give up that much to get Upton. He is an unproven player who is guaranteed $50 million over the next five years, with $30 million over the last two years of the contract. Not a horrible deal if he can post stats like he did in 2009, but his 2010 numbers should make a lot of GMs think twice about taking on that kind of money. The Braves have a ton of very good pitching prospects, I don’t see why they would be giving up three so high on the list. If a deal went down I would imagine it would be a for package based around Brandon Beachy.

RiverKKiller999
4 years 9 months ago

I think the D-Backs would want more than Oberholtzer,Delgado,Carlos Perez,and Mycal Jones.I’d say include Arodys Vizciano in the deal instead of Oberholtzer and they would think about listening then.4 prospects like that is well worth 5 years of Justin Upton who is on a 6 year $51.25 mill contract and he is only 23 years old and isn’t even at the peak of his prime yet.

4 years 9 months ago

Twins could pull off a deal that didn’t include Gibson, Slama, or Sano.

mozelpuffski
4 years 9 months ago

infante will help them with very solid d – bats solid average with good speed. defense saves runs and provides more confidence to your pitcher. dunn fills a glaring need. buck will help immensely… marlins pitchers will be happy to have him. There aren’t many infantes out there. guy can do a lot.

csg
4 years 9 months ago

you only got him for a year though. Marlins shouldve held onto Uggla and at least got some draft picks. After next season, you only have Dunn. Loogies can be found anywhere

Im glad Uggla is a Brave though

4 years 9 months ago

Why would the Yankees give up Betances and Banuelos for Upton? The outfield is set for another year. Maybe with Gardner in place of one of them, or in a deal for a top line pitcher, but I doubt it because I don’t see Lee walking away from the Pinstripes/money.

danthebaseballman
4 years 9 months ago

A small player move with the Yankees? Iwonder who the Yanks might be getting.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

Rosenthal just put up a piece about Bill Hall a while ago. Something along those lines?

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

I’m wondering whether a “small player move” is a small move for a player or a move for a small player. On the latter train of thought, maybe the Yankees are looking to trade for Danny Herrera (makes more sense than dealing for David Eckstein)?

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 9 months ago

I know we just got Uggla, but don’t stop there. I would offer Julio Teheran, Jonny Venters and two to three lower level guys (somewhere around our 10-15th ranked prospects) or AZ’s choice for Justin Upton.

Teheran may well be the best pitching prospect in the game.

Jonny Venters would come in and be the closer in Arizona for the next 5+ years.

We all know how terrible their bullpen was last year.

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

I just don’t get how Venters has gone from so-so minor league starting pitcher to bonafide closer based on one professional season of extremely good relief work. I’m thinking he could be due for a really long and painful sophomore season in 2011.

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 9 months ago

Which is why you trade him now!

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

leave out Teheran and throw in Delgado and Oberholtzer then you’ve got it

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 9 months ago

See…there’s the thing, you can’t leave Teheran out. No matter what anyone says, there’s no way it would be possible. I know we have a ton of pitching prospects but for a player as good as Upton…you need to give up your best. The only way we would be able to top every other team in MLB, because they would ALL make offers, would be to include Teheran.

It’s tough but it would be worth it watching Justin become one of the best players in the league along with Heyward.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

it would KILL me to watch him go

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 9 months ago

Read the Fangraphs article on Upton…it would ease your pain.

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

So idiotic it hurts. The Braves could trade Teheran for a great outfielder who isn’t owed $50 million.

MLB_in_the_Know
4 years 9 months ago

You do realize $50 million is an absolute bargain for a player of Justin Upton’s upside?

Why don’t you read the article about Upton from fangraphs on here before you ever speak to me again.

turkeyslayer80
4 years 9 months ago

I totally agree. Upton could be a top10-20 player in this league if he can stay healthy, plus he is only 22. 50 mil over 5 years for a player that is as good as he is at the age of 22 is a steal.

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

$50 million, plus Teheran and Venters and THREE other pitching prospects?? How is that a bargain? I realize you read an article but jeez. Read some more articles. Did you read about Uptons 25.9% career strikeout rate? It wouldn’t take that much to bring in Rasmus, who has no guaranteed money on his contract and he actually plays center field, a position the Braves need. The Uggla trade forces Prado into left, thus alleviating the Braves need for a right handed hitting corner outfielder.

Haha someone at fangraphs suggested the Braves trade Hanson, Freeman AND Teheran for Upton. Hilarious. Some people don’t _Know much about baseball.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

leave out Teheran and throw in Delgado and Oberholtzer then you’ve got it

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

This post makes me angry. For one, Teheran is probably the top pitching prospect in all of baseball — why would you consider trading him for anyone? Secondly, the Braves actually need Venters next year, as they lost their closer and setup man and won’t have the money to sign replacements. Thirdly, the Braves just traded one of the three left handed arms they had in the bullpen, if they also traded Venters that would leave EOF and the lone lefty in the pen, and everyone knows you need three lefties in the bullpen if you have to play the Phillies 20+ times a year.

Also, you probably didn’t look at the terms of Uptons contract, but he is owed $50 million between 2011 and 2015. That is a considerable amount of money to committ to a player who posted a .273/.356/.442 line in 2010.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Steve Trachsel is mentioned!!

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

Twice!!!

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

This is the most relevant he’s been in years.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

This is the most relevant he’s been in years.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Steve Trachsel is mentioned!!

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know the Jays organization that well, but that offer seems better for Uggla.

4 years 9 months ago

I agree, nothing major but better long term value from the Jays than the Braves. Atlanta’s deal ‘stops the bleeding’ so to speak, whereas the Jays offered upside.

4 years 9 months ago

I agree, nothing major but better long term value from the Jays than the Braves. Atlanta’s deal ‘stops the bleeding’ so to speak, whereas the Jays offered upside.

BlueJays45
4 years 9 months ago

I would say its about equal only because Farquhar, Goins, and Mastroianni have not proven their worth yet. Its clear that Florida wanted big leaguers in this deal or they for sure would have accepted AA’s offer.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

I like the Braves’ offer better. They get a major league ready pitcher and a good utility player in Infante while the Jays offered either a major league ready pitcher and a Double-A guy or an old minor league outfielder and a fringe shortstop.

Ian_Smell
4 years 9 months ago

I like the Braves’ offer better. They get a major league ready pitcher and a good utility player in Infante while the Jays offered either a major league ready pitcher and a Double-A guy or an old minor league outfielder and a fringe shortstop.

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

All of those guys were scrubs.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com says that the Blue Jays had the most early interest in Dan Uggla, offering prospects RHP Josh Roenicke, RHP Danny Farquhar, and either SS Ryan Goins or OF Darin Mastroianni (Twitter link).

Did we seriously offer that? Lol… I know they wanted to trade Uggla and all but oh my goodness, that is one awful offer. I think AA could have thrown in a prospect like Jenkins instead of Farqunar and it would have gotten the deal done.

4 years 9 months ago

Heh, one post saying this offer is horrible, and the one above it suggesting it’s better than the Braves one. I find that funny.

phillipmike
4 years 9 months ago

Jays fan here… If that was the Jays offer then it was a terrible offer. Those prospects are not on my top 15.

AA does not show disrespect so that must mean the market was terribly weak for Uggla and they wanted to move him right away.

But the Jays offer was garbage!!! Marlins were better off keeping him for a year and taking the picks.

Still disappointed the Jays could not get him considering what he went for to a division rival. Its hard to believe but that must mean the asking price from the Jays had to be low. Would have been nice to have Uggla.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com says that the Blue Jays had the most early interest in Dan Uggla, offering prospects RHP Josh Roenicke, RHP Danny Farquhar, and either SS Ryan Goins or OF Darin Mastroianni (Twitter link).

Did we seriously offer that? Lol… I know they wanted to trade Uggla and all but oh my goodness, that is one awful offer. I think AA could have thrown in a prospect like Jenkins instead of Farqunar and it would have gotten the deal done.

MeOnTheInternet
4 years 9 months ago

Braves’ offer was better than the Blue Jays’

Marlins placed extra knock against ATL b/c it’s a trade “in-division”, and they still chose ATL

ATL deal offered major league players, TOR only offered lottery tickets

baseballz
4 years 9 months ago

I have to admit that was a very weak offer from the Jays. I was thinking it would be more then fair to offer at least Zack Stewart. He could have been the best guy in Florida’s pen next year, though we couldn’t have been able to offer a major leaguer that would have been as helpful as Omar would be next season for Florida. Weak offer though on the Jays part especially for a guy who’d get you two high draft picks or be wicked trade bait at the deadline next year.

Sniderlover
4 years 9 months ago

It’s a very weak offer from the Braves as well and I’m sure Marlins would be thrilled if Jays added Stewart who has potential to become a #2 starter.

I think if Jays took out of those relievers and added Rzep or Jenkins, I think Marlins would take the Jays offer.

CitizenSnips
4 years 9 months ago

FoxSports.com‘s Ken Rosenthal tweets that the market for Jorge de la Rosa won’t take shape until Cliff Lee signs. He’s a fallback option for several teams.”That’s quite a fallback option.

cubfan4life
4 years 9 months ago

With Boston picking up part of his salary I wouldnt be surprised to see Atlanta get in on talks for Papelbon. Anaheim might be a fit as well depending on if they can sign Soriano. It may take a little while but i think that Papelbon will be closing for another team this season. I dont think that they should trade him it just seems like thats what will happen

Yankees579
4 years 9 months ago

If papelbon is available.. Hmmm..

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 9 months ago

Papelbon and 4 million to Angels for Mike Napoli who platoons at C with Salty!

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Explain why the Royals offer is terrible.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Explain why the Royals offer is terrible.

4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t say terrible, but the O’s offer I think is a little light, and the Yanks offer is good but I think would need a better 4th player in the deal in my opinion. I actually like the Royals offer because I’m a HUGE Billy Butler fan, and Duffy is legit. The one offer i’d hesitate on is the Braves, I like Delgado a lot, but the rest of that deal is just good rather than great. The 2nd pieces from any other club are better in my opinion.

4 years 9 months ago

I wouldn’t say terrible, but the O’s offer I think is a little light, and the Yanks offer is good but I think would need a better 4th player in the deal in my opinion. I actually like the Royals offer because I’m a HUGE Billy Butler fan, and Duffy is legit. The one offer i’d hesitate on is the Braves, I like Delgado a lot, but the rest of that deal is just good rather than great. The 2nd pieces from any other club are better in my opinion.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

With the best minor league system in Baseball, they can also afford to trade prospects despite their Major League situation. With that said, I agree with you. Something like Butler/Montgomery/Crawford Simmons/and Blaine Hardy will do in my opinion.

4 years 9 months ago

Ok…but he’s not Drabek, Gose and Farquahar better. Also, he costs WAY more money than Snider, who isn’t eligible for arbitration until next year.

I’m not saying he isn’t better than Snider, because he is, but it’s just the type of trade that doesn’t make sense. Arizona obviously wouldn’t do it straight up, and it doesn’t make sense from Toronto’s stand point to add anything of real substance for a marginal upgrade (when dollars are considered)

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

You’d want to keep both players if possible. Snider + Drabek alone is overpayment.

Something like Drabek + Arencibia or Stewart + Perez + Thames makes more sense. Don’t know if either is enough, but it can’t be too far off.