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Lunchbox45
Even the 5.15 the Astro’s submitted is too generous
Patricio
Hunter Pence is one of the most underrated OFers in the game today. He has speed with pop also he’s a total gamer on a losing team. The only flaws I see in his game is his patience. He needs to look at more pitches and he needs a base coach to discipline him more at stealing bases. Someone like a Davy Lopes would be beneficial for this kids development.
$1742854
Two big reasons why the ARB system needs to be fixed: All-Star game appearances and saves. Just because Matt Capps rung up some saves or Evan Meek was the lone All Star on a pathetic team doesn’t mean that it should mean anything in the ARB process.
Lunchbox45
It’s not even the Arb process, even the Marlins got duped by the braves in the Uggla trade because Infante was an all star lol
davengmusic
Hunter Pence plays HARD. Those who watched Craig Biggio grind out 20 seasons in Houston can appreciate what Pence does. He’s not a great baserunner, and you’d like to see a better OBP from him, but he’s league average at OBP, and better than league average at most everything else. I’d say he’s worth 6.9.
ZeroZeroZero
Pence is completely un the radar. In NY, Boston, LA, Philly he would be viewed as the next great.
Darin M
Ryan Braun and Pence has the same amount of service time, but Braun signed a multi-year contract buying out his arb. years. That said, Braun’s set to earn $5.5M this season, though while a bit team friendly, isn’t vastly underpaid. No way is Hunter Pence worth $1.4M than Braun…..
Cade White
Braun at 5.5 isn’t vastly underpaid? WAR of 4.6, 4.9, 4.2… Stats beg to difer with that statement. While fangraphs is a bit flawed when looking at Value: Dollars, the guy is seriously underpaid, and with good reason: he signed early and long = security.
Pence is still a steal at 5 to 6m. Any team out there would be all over that in the FA. Pence didn’t sign for security, and that’s an advantage to going to arb. We may think the process is flawed, but as Papelbon said, “I like to gamble” and it can pay off.
TwinsVet
Since when is “what they would make in free agency” a criteria for “what they should make in arbitration”?
Teams SHOULD pay less for arbitration years than it would cost them to get the guy as a free agent. They’ve invested a good chunk of money into scouting and development to find and train the kid. They should be able to reap 6 years of service time out of someone before paying free-market rates.
Cade White
Ok, you’re right, it’s based on comparable salaries, like the article pointed out.
Darin M
No Braun nor Pence is vastly underpaid. This has absolutely nothing to do with free agency. It has everything to do with service time, which both Pence and Braun are Super 2s in the 2nd year of arbitration.
If Braun is making $5.5M, is Pence worth more? I say no, but it’s not quite that simple, since Braun signed a multi-year contract buying out arb. and 2 free agent years. Team friendly yes, but not crazy team friendly.
Backup_Slider
It’d be interesting to see Vegas lines on these arbitration cases. I’m guessing the oddsmakers would heavily favor the Astros over Pence, especially since they’ve got seasoned arbitration guru Tal Smith in their front office.
platetectonics
i wonder what pences batting line would look like w/out his infield hits