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Keith Lawyer
Not sure I would call Rauch a shut down reliever 🙂
Other then that, it is a solid relief group.
vonhayesdays
not sure id call ryan franklin anything
Ferrariman
his beard strikes fear into hitters.
NYBravosFan10
the only people that ryan franklin strikes fear into are his teammates and fans
coolstorybro222
the braves NEED to go after Dejesus. He can do every position in the outfield.
-C
They may not even need him, if Schafer lives up to his potential. Also, he could very easily be a Type A free agent, meaning the Braves would have to give up their 1st round pick for him.
Let’s wait a year and see how this all unfolds, eh??
-C
j6takish
DDJ is a solid player who probably isn’t going to get the attention he deserves. He’s not a superstar but he’s a lock to be a 2-3 win player with good defense. I was really hoping the Tigers would have gotten in on him this past offseason, but expecting a good trade out of Dumbrowski may have been asking too much
craigkimbrelfan
I’m really looking forward to seeing how Schafer pans out. He had an awesome start back in 09′ then went to crap when he hurt his wrist. Of course he’s been pretty much non-existent since. This is the first healthy year since and I like his chances to become effective again.
craigkimbrelfan
I’m really looking forward to seeing how Schafer pans out as well. He had an awesome start to the 09′ year before the injury. Of course, everything went to crap for all of 2010 afterwards. I think he can be effective, considering this will be mark the first healthy season in a couple of years.
coolstorybro222
Unless there’s another Bryce Harper stewing in the college baseball system, I don’t really see the braves shedding tears over losing a draft pick, besides Schafer is in Triple A at the beginning of the year.
Devon Labella
Rauch isnt a slouch…. But shutdown? I didnt really see ANY shutdown relievers there besides Heath Bell…..
monroe_says
One could argue that CC is the best lefty in the game, but they would be wrong. CC’s WAR over last three years 7.6, 6.3, 5.1 = not the greatest trend, while the Great Cliff Lee is 7.2, 6.6. 7.1 …
Robert A
Wouldn’t it be convenient if all we had to do to compare players was look at one number? Then we wouldn’t need scouts or GM’s and we could evaluate all the talent!
start_wearing_purple
And wouldn’t it be convenient if the argument about the game’s best lefty could be boiled down to a statement.
I’m not saying who’s the best.
Mark S
Because you’d be right in saying Joe Saunders, but the rest of the world just doesn’t want to hear it.
start_wearing_purple
I stand by my point, so far it seems like a handful of people are coming close to arguing who’s the best lefty… yet only one person has thrown out a fact.
Mark S
I was just being facetious. We REALLY know you had Randy Wolf on your mind the entire time.
CitizenSnips
It’s all about that winning percentage!
Robert A
LOL
RedSoxDynasty
Saunders? Not even a top 15 lefty. I’ll presume you were being sarcastic!
Mark S
I specifically picked out one of the worst starting lefties in terms of WAR (who gave at least 200 innings.)
James Rudolph
agreed, WAR isn’t the end all be all of comparisons, but it’s a start.
I wouldn’t dare call CC the best lefty in the game. You can argue he is but it wouldn’t even be close to a general consensus.
vonhayesdays
who would you say is the best lefty in the game. CC gotta be close to the top
Robert A
How can you come up with a definitive answer to that question? The problem is that the question is too broad. Are we talking all left handed pitchers, or just starters? What factors are you weighting, eg. WHIP, IP, ERA, W-L? What time frame are we talking about? Regular or post-season? If you asked a hundred different people, you’d probably get 100 different answers as to what they think the most important factors are.
For what it’s worth, to me the best pitcher is the guy who keeps hitters off the bases the most and pitches a ton of innings, who has done it consistently over at least 5 seasons, and also doesn’t show any signs of letting up in the near future. Whoever has the best combination of those factors would be the best pitcher imo.
YanksFanSince78
Or in other words, CC has been worth a combined 19 WAR over the last 3 years and Lee a combined 20.9 over the same period. Not a big differece over a 3 year span.
Edwin Jackson had a better WAR than Chris Carpenter last year. Does that autmotically make him a better pitcher? No.
ejr
the OP ends by highlighting CC’s downward trend in WAR, not simply the totals. But I agree that a 3 year span of 2 win difference isn’t much. Though, I would give Lee credit for turning in consistent performances in that 3 years, considering he was traded about 600 times!
william 4
not sure where you got your WAR#’s from baseball-reference has it like this
sabathia war 2008 7.1 (cle 2.3,mil 4.8)
2009 4.3 nyy
2010 5.4 nyy
lee 2008 7.3 cle
2009 5 (3.9 cle,1.1 phi)
2010 4.3 (2.7 sea,1.6 tex)
not saying either one is the greatest just curious where you got those numbers
baseball-reference.com/players/l/leecl02.shtml
baseball-reference.com/players/s/sabatc.01.shtml
jwredsox
He probably used fangraph’s war
Mark S
bWAR =/= fWAR
MaineSox
bWAR < fWAR IMO
Devon Labella
Oh, AND Soriano (If he is the same as he was LAST YEAR)
cbcbcb
CC will be the Phillies fifth starter.
East Coast Bias
CC is a beast!
Ben_Cherington
David Price would like to be included in the best lefty talk!
Chuck345
Well let’s give David Price a chance to string together a few great seasons first before we go calling him the best lefty.
Ben_Cherington
Just saying! He def has the stuff!
william 4
not sure where your getting your WAR stats from but according to baseball-reference sabathia WAR 4.8,4.3,5.4
lee WAR 1.1,2.7,1.6
I’m not saying either is the greatest just not sure about where you got your numbers from
nm344
Lee does not have that WAR according to any source.
Jason S
I’m wondering what kind of improvement would that mean to a team like the Blue Jays. If they threw ridiculous money at Pujols to play first, Prince to DH, and CC Sabathia, they would be back in the AL Central. Maybe they’d have to trade for a little more pitching but that’s a huge step up from Adam Lind and Edwin Encarnacion.
bravesfan1993
How in the world would the be back in the AL central?
Andy Mc
Add Pujols, Fielder and CC, and the Jays are the best team in the AL East right now.
RedSoxDynasty
Wild card at best behind guess who?
MaineSox
Cocky much?
IF they signed all three of those guys (they wont – just playing along) I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them beat out both the Sox and the Yanks for the division title.
RedSoxDynasty
Cocky? Maybe! Honest? Definitely! The Red Sox would still have a slightly better lineup top to bottom, a better starting 5, better defense, and much better bullpen! New York would fall back by losing CC in this scenario but would still give the hypothetical Jays team a run! Red Sox by a minimum 5 games easy! Truth Hurts!
NYBravosFan10
yeah…you have fun affording that one
MykeD
the agents are the ones who are going to destroy baseball…cant wait until 2020 when a player signs a 5 year/ $1 billion contract to pitch relief….the greed…$30 mil a year for Albert ? if one man is that great, then he should have his own team to himself, since his yearly paycheck will be comparable to most teams yearly payroll…then he can pitch, hit , catch, maybe even be his own skipper…c’mon people, the bloated contracts are going to destroy the game…there needs to be some type of balance to the game and the finances…whatever happened to “take one for the team” ? the Yank’s are a perfect example of “money can’t buy you everything”…every year they seem to base their off-season on signing or trying to sign the top free agents out there, mind you the RedSox are becoming the team they have always loved to hate…luxury tax, revenue sharing, who cares…there is such an unbalance in the sport that there should only be 8 teams and we only need the playoffs and the World Series…why punish small market teams through a 162 season when they cant afford a highly competitive team ? or would it be a better sport if all of the high level major leaguers were selected each year like a fantasy draft ? then paid according to their previous years performance level…there are ways to figure out a fair and balanced solution to make the sport equally competitive…agree or disagree, the sport needs to be fixed, and big time at that…
inleylandwetrust
The agents do what their clients tell them to do. Do you really think Albert’s agent is forcing him to pursue a 300 million dollar deal?? Also, the owners are the ones giving out these contracts. Jayson Werth would not be making 120 million over 7 years if someone did not offer that deal. It is fashionable to blame the agents and claim they are ruining baseball, but it is a 2 way street.
RedSoxDynasty
Baseball is as competitive as the NFL and NHL with many different teams winning over the last 20 years. Even the late 90’s Yankees teams were won on homegrown talent, not payroll! Baseball is fine as it is. Argue with the owners who won’t investxany of their own money and pocket the revenue sharing money! And you can also argue with fair-weather fans who don’t support their teams and stay away from the ballpark. Even bad Red Sox, Cubs and Yankees teams have had strong attendance through the years yet the Rays, Marlins, Tribe, Royals, Pirates, A’s et al fans fail to support their teams. Losing teams who don’t spend or get support are the problem in baseball so please stop the crying. No one feels bad for you when you’re irrelevant!
Redhawk
spoken like a true front runner of a team with a ton of cash.
RedSoxDynasty
Truth hurts doesn’t it!
RedSoxDynasty
You wanna fix a sport than start with the NBA where the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Pistons, Spurs and Rockets have had a monopoly for about 30 years!
ejr
That list of relievers is insane! And the amounts some of them will get when relievers are often hard to count on from year-to-year will be even more insane.
But let’s not think so far ahead. The season hasn’t started!!
MadmanTX 2
It’d be hilarious (not really) if Sabathia left the Yankees to sign with the Phillies for less money to replace Oswalt in the rotation and join up with his buddy, Cliff Lee.
Still, the Rangers would make a run at him. And maybe Pujols too.
nm344
I doubt Oswalt will retire.
nm344
He’s younger than Halladay
SpaldingBalls 2
So Matt Thornton is not a shut down reliever but Rauch is?
Patrick
Yeah surprised they didn’t mention Thornton, he’s better than most of those relievers
NYBravosFan10
he deserves to be given a chance at a closing role