East Notes: Simon, Red Sox, Feliciano, Mets

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Wek
4 years 3 months ago

How can Cashman make such a blunt statement when Torre “abused” Proctor.

bosox21
4 years 3 months ago

Beat me to it. That was my first thought after reading that headline.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

You’re acting if those facts are not mutually exclusive. I’m sure if someone asked him about Proctor he would say the same thing. Now if TORRE were asked that question regarding Feliciano and said the same thing, then we’d have something to talk about.

Wek
4 years 3 months ago

I never mentioned those two cases cannot be mutually exclusive at all so I’m not sure where you are getting that. In case you missed the point, I was ripping, if you will, Cashman for portraying the Mets as bad guys by saying they “abused” Feliciano when his own team has done the same thing in the past. The Mets did not “abuse” him by asking to pitch so many innings, he was willing to go out on the mound “like all good ballplayers” when asked to do so. Yes he was overworked because of the state bullpen but not abuse as Cashman puts it.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

What does “A” what Torre, who no longer is affiliated with the Yanks, have anything to do about a question that Cashman answered in, what he thought to be, an honest evaluation?

Your statement of “How can Cashman make such a blunt statement when Torre “abused” Proctor” makes it seem like Cashman is being hypocritical and was condoning or ignoring what Torre did. Cashman didn’t control what Torre did and I’m sure he probably doesn’t condone the overuse of any of his players under contract for more than 1 year.

I wasn’t attackingyoubut certainly not understanding how Torre/Proctor has anything to do with Cashman and his comment about Feliciano. You act as if one speaks for all or all are responsible for the actions of one.

That’s as silly as getting mad at a comment made by Alderson about another organization because Minaya may have done the same thing during his tenure. One has nothing to do with other.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 3 months ago

Not only did Proctor get abused by Torre, so did Tanyon Sturtze and Luis Vizcaino. Torre was not the guy to work for if you were a middle relief guy.

As for the whole “what Cashman said” thing, I can see that the Yanks history of tearing up relievers would come up when he says another organization did the same. No one’s going to care that Cash was never the manager and didn’t personally make calls to the bullpen.

paul_oneills_lovechild
4 years 3 months ago

And being a realist…we can throw in Paul Quantrill, even though he lead MLB in appearances with the Dodgers the 3 years prior he arrived in NY. Certainly, the Mets and the Yankees aren’t the only teams to overuse relievers, however, Cashman’s comments are ridiculous as he is the one who signed Feliciano…being full-aware of what was going on in Flushing…unless he was not doing his homework because he was too busy rappelling off buildings in his elf costume!?!?

I am a die-hard Yankees fan, but not a fan of Cashman. And while being a little off-topic…doesn’t Cash look like a slightly younger, slightly cuter, version of Jeff Van Gundy!!!

I am Urban Legend
4 years 3 months ago

jeff van gundy and cute should never be put in the same sentence, page, book or library together…ever…

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 3 months ago

Yes, Quantrill is another tough guy who got overused by Torre. He had a great attitude and no one there to protect him from his own desire to contribute.

As for cute, I have to decline as I don’t usually weigh in on men’s attractiveness!

5_tool_MiLB_fool
4 years 3 months ago

ned colletti is guilty by all counts too you know. at least he keeps his mouth shut about it but then again i don’t expect a depressed millionaire to talk much.

greggofboken
4 years 3 months ago

So Cashman feels the Mets “abused” Pedro’s arm. No kidding. Why’d he sign him for two years? He pitched in over 85 games 3 seasons running. Look at the track record of pitchers who have done that. What happens next?

Does Cashman not even read his hometown papers? This was no secret. He comes across as more and more of a complete tool as time goes on.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

If anything this shows how Cashman be so cavalier with money and how desperate he is when it comes to lefty bullpen guys. Other than a good two weeks in October post-season we really have gotten nothing from Damaso Marte’s 3/$12 mil deal. Pedro’s issues don’t seem as drastic but certainly not getting off to a good start. I wonder, what could’ve happened from the medical exam he took to spring training for himto have a sore shoulder all of a sudden?

I can defend the statement he made, even if it rubs ppl the wrong way, but the signing was one of those “sign him and hope he holds up” move and while they can afford it and it didn’t cost us a pick it really is sort of a waste.

4 years 3 months ago

The Mets absolutely would have resigned Feliciano if he didn’t demand a two year $4M deal… Cashman wasn’t wrong in signing him, there was risk to be had for anybody who signed him.

The Mets just couldn’t afford the risk/reward factor at this juncture, with quite a few other holes to plug. The Yankees could…

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

I agree. Cashman was well aware of Pedro’s issues. They were all well noted, well documented and EVERYONE has said the same thing about his overuse. I guess the fact that it comes from a GM is what bothers ppl. It’s not like Cashman is acting as if it was hidden. PC or not, what he said was the truth and even though there was no background mentioned I’m sure his remark was in response to a question rather than him just throwing that comment out there.

icedrake523
4 years 3 months ago

Baubach could be trolling. One of the great things about being a sportswriter is you can make things up.

G W
4 years 3 months ago

Doesn’t take many attributed made up quotes for people to stop talking to you though. Usually it’s “a source in the organisation said”, IE they made it up or a hot dog vendor told them.

TimotheusATL
4 years 3 months ago

Ah, Twitter — the convenient way for a sports journalist to state an opinion without any backing facts.

SierraM363
4 years 3 months ago

If anyone’s an expert in abusing pitchers it’s the Yankees.

roomwithamoose
4 years 3 months ago

It’s more like Joe Torre than, you know, the yankees philosophy

icedrake523
4 years 3 months ago

They enabled it.

East Coast Bias
4 years 3 months ago

Hey, at least we paid them handsomely while doing so.

MB923
4 years 3 months ago

No it’s Dusty Baker

coolstorybro222
4 years 3 months ago

can Pedro show Cashman on the doll where the mets touched him

monkeyspanked
4 years 3 months ago

That’s because the Mets suck.

Infield Fly
4 years 3 months ago

If the group can reach a deal with the Wilpon family to buy a minority share in the beleaguered ballclub…Ellin will enlist actors Kevin Connolly, Kevin Dillon and Ed Burns to bring their star power to Citi Field…Connolly said the principals are all “genius marketers” who would help revive the Mets…

Anyone looking to help prolong the Wilpons’ tenure as owners can’t be much of a genius….and the answer to this franchise’s woes is definitely not a fresh crop of marketing gimmicks.

MatzMatics
4 years 3 months ago

Oh cry me a river, Cashman. Spare me that crap when you were babying/jerking around guys like Joba (“Joba Rules”). We all knew Manuel “abused” Feliciano. This is no secret. Even that homer Heyman said this earlier in the offseason. He was a “buyer beware” type of signing. Unless Steinbrenner or anyone else forced you to sign him, shut the hell up. Joke’s on you for signing him over the next 2 years and shelling out $8 million.

TrueYankeeFanNYC
4 years 3 months ago

He got asked a question and spoke the truth. I’m sure the Yankees will have trouble eating the 4 mill per if Pedro never pitches again.

Vmmercan
4 years 3 months ago

Joba Rules were meant to protect a young pitcher transitioning from a Starter to a reliever mid season. How in any way does that compare to using Feliciano 85 times? But yes, Cashman shouldn’t have held a press conference complaining about the Mets usage of a guy where the stats could have told the same story. Good thing he didn’t. He was asked a question and answered it. Stop whining.

MatzMatics
4 years 3 months ago

Who’s whining? I could care less what Cashman or the Yankees say/do…just don’t try to pass the buck to us when the facts about someone is right in front of you. There’s an old saying Cashman should learn: “Before you point fingers, make sure your hands are clean.”

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

HIS HANDS ARE CLEAN!!!! His name isn’t Joe Torre. I mean use common sense. If Alderson commented about something someone else did would it make sense for someone to say “Look who’s talking. Minaya did the same thing?”

Cashman’s job is to acquire players and it was Torre’s job to use them accordingly. I’m sure Cashman can voice his opinion but he isn’t going to dictate how a vet middle reliever isused. He’s not going to insist on Joba rules for a 30 something non-prospect.

baseball33
4 years 3 months ago

Cashman = diplomacy

MetsEventually
4 years 3 months ago

Lolz, have tons of fun with that used up arm. Thanks for the draft pick!

4 years 3 months ago

I swear I glanced at his headline very quickly and thought this story had something to do with Simon Rex.

Michael Duffy
4 years 3 months ago

Proctor, Bruney, Gordon, Quantrill, Sturtze, etc. would probably slap Cashman… if they could even raise their arm to do it.

xhausted_grad
4 years 3 months ago

i would really like to know if modern day pitch counts and appearances really do extend a pitcher’s career, and/or quality of pitches. is it possible that young players don’t throw enough, like they did 30 or so years ago? i guess 90 appearances for getting one hitter out doesn’t seem like a big deal to me.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 3 months ago

One of the better questions asked. I don’t think there’s any evidence saying what usage patterns really protect arms. There’s too many factors to simply compare outings and pitches per era to say with conviction that pitchers are helped by modern ideas.

So we’re left with impressions of what will or will not help a pitcher. For me it goes like this:

-I don’t think that the 100 pitch limit some teams have on starters matters. Once the guy is in the game, stress on the arm has more to do with whether or the pitcher is struggling with command. Struggling pitchers are probably not throwing with their best mechanics, so lots of pitches thrown that way can be an issue.

-With relievers, I think the number of times a pitcher has to warm up and the amount of pitches thrown per outing may have a big effect on their arm health. Obviously, if you’re only getting one guy at a time LOOGY style, then things should be easier on your arm.

-As for innings limits for guys coming up through the minors, I also agree with the concept that giving them too many innings early can wreck a developing arm.

Of course, if I was asked to PROVE any of this, I can’t. It’s just my impression of things.

MaineluvstheSox
4 years 3 months ago

Show us your class Cashman.

roomwithamoose
4 years 3 months ago

this coming from a fan of a team that decided to publicly start a name calling war, now that’s class

notsureifsrs
4 years 3 months ago

i don’t think his complaint would be “my life sucks”. the complaint would “i was treated worse than others in my profession and i am worse off because of it”

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

It irrates me when one reads something and computes another. Feliciano didn’t make the statement…..Cashman did. I’m sure Feliciano is well aware he was overused but like all good ballplayers he takes the ball and didn’t publicly complain.

mookie_and_doc
4 years 3 months ago

Feliciano never made any statements about overuse. He, in fact, consistently asked Manuel and Warthen more innings than he was already getting.

The main point of this story is that Cashman is feeling buyer’s remorse and shouldn’t admonish another organization for his offseason mistake. His statements are, frankly, in really poor taste. Everyone in baseball, including the mets, knew he’d pitched a ton in the last three years. Cashman should look in the mirror intead of blaming the Mets for why one of his signings got hurt.

4 years 3 months ago

Feliciano never complained… Cashman complained that Gangsta Jerry and Willie ran him into the ground… which they did. Feliciano would have pitched more if he had his druthers.

Seems like Cashman is just trying to cover his ass if Feliciano blows up in his face.

4 years 3 months ago

Feliciano never complained… Cashman did… he would have pitched more if he had it his way. Cashman is just having buyer’s remorse at the moment because Gangsta Jerry and Willie ran Perpetual Pedro into the ground… which they totally did. Neither could manage a bullpen.

But it sounds like Cashman is just covering his butt in case the Feliciano signing blows up in his face…

Nyankss28
4 years 3 months ago

Pedro Feliciano to Jerry Manuel: ¿Puedo tener un día libre?
Jerry Manuel: Sure you can pitch today Pedro! Hell i might even let you face some righties.. how does that sound?
Pedro Feliciano: oh Dios mío

Infield Fly
4 years 3 months ago

Real mature.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 3 months ago

It’s really such poor journalism to only post the response made by Cashman to an obvious question he was asked. Blame Cashman for being honest. In reading that one sentence blurb I don’t hear buyers remorse. It’s not like Cashman wasn’t aware of Pedro’s history. He even went on to say, when Rosenthal followed the question up,

”It’s a thin market when you’re out there looking for lefties and he’s one of the better ones out there,” Cashman said. ”But yeah, you don’t typically run to sign up guys that have been used like that.”

Cashman is better served not putting another team on blast and just being more diplomatic in his answers to reporters but my guess is he really doesn’t care. It’s not like ppl have stayed above making nasty comments about him and the Yanks.

MShowerhead
4 years 3 months ago

Pedro was strictly a lefty specialist, but he was very verbal in wanting to face righties too. He got what he wanted.

TapDancingTeddy
4 years 3 months ago

You are very right. Relievers with the best attitudes make themselves available for overwork. It never happens to a complainer.

I guess there is an actual reason to whine in baseball – at least if you want to have a longer career.