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raygunpunx
Queue the anti Yankee talk
John Burgess
Um…Wandy is not a right-hander…
halored101
They’re not trading Weaver, get over it, they have a year left and a solid opportunity to sign him with so much payroll shedding and his ace like position. New york media and fans can stow it, he’s not gonna be a yankee…
phoenix2042
If he hits the free market, the yanks will put top dollar into signing him. Of course, as cliff Lee shows, that isn’t always the driving factor. Personally, even though I wanted my team to get Lee or to get Weaver, I can totally get behind going to (or staying with) the team you really want to play for. For players like Lee or Weaver, they are going to get their $100+ million contracts, so it’s just a matter of which city you want to spend 5-7 years living in and which cap you want to don each morning.
East Coast Bias
It’s all about the money. If it wasn’t, everyone would be lining up to play for the Padres!
Amish_willy
Just a tad reach. Your point could be true for pitchers, but if you’re an offensive stud going to a place that limits homerun’s by 40% wouldn’t top the list, no matter how pleasent the weather and scenery!
Ed Pickett
So Cal Kid should stay in So Cal, lets get it done Arte, over pay if you have too
phoenix2042
maybe they should have factored in the cost of a Weaver extension before trading for Wells…
Nick Sossamon
When Weaver becomes a FA there’s only two years left on the Wells deal, hardly something to handicap Moreno into signing a deal. There is currently under $50MM aloccated past 2012 right now as well. I doubt Weaver extends with the Angels though, you usually don’t sign with Boras to get a decent extension with your current team. The only time it’s happened is to buy out arbitration years for younger players to offer security (like the CarGo deal).
With the way the Yankee pitching staff is looking, Weaver looks primed to cash in with them if he wants to go there. The Angels won’t match their deal in terms of years or dollars since Arte seems to be some kind of stickler for avoiding long-term obligations. He’d much rather overpay for mediocre talent past their prime or stock up on bullpen arms.
Amish_willy
Anyone who committs 225m to Gary Matthews Jr., Torii Hunter and Vernon Wells probably shouldn’t be labeled as being a stickler for long-term obligations. Need an Angels Historian to point out the biggest contract the team has given to a pitcher, is the 4/51m given to Bartolo Colon in ’03 the largest?
Not sure why the Angels wouldn’t have given Weaver a long-term deal before this season, maybe they tried but were rebuffed by Weaver and Boras. It’s too bad for them as arms like Zach Grienke and Josh Johnson signed for 4/38m when they were in the same spot Weaver was in coming into 2011, service time wise. I’m guessing they probably would have paid a little more for those same years, but that’s not Boras’ thing. Giving 100m to any pitcher isn’t a high odd’s bet, the team could very well cash in Weaver after the year and take their chances on the prospects and using the money elsewhere. Kind of a tough spot they find themselves in.
Now if they could sign him to an Oswalt-esq deal starting next year then I’m sure the team would jump at it. Far from a given though. From a pure madness standpoint, Weaver has two more great years before becoming a free agent and he’ll shoot past the 100m mark. With his big bump in k-rate in 2010 keeping that up will be one of the caveats making that possible. Could see the Nats giving him 120m+ to boost the organization at a time that they could be ready to take-off.
If I was a pitcher, I wouldn’t have the brass to wait till FA, not with how many guys have ill-timed injuries that last entire seasons or more. I’d take the mid ground. Of course with Satan promising that you’ll be healthy and pitch 440 innings these next two years, it’s easy to understand the lure in waiting. Pretty risky though.
rzepczynski
wow yankee fans im impressed…. i expected more clowns to be here trying to trade scrubs for weaver and trout
vtadave
Nova, Nunez, Betances, and Brackman should get it done for Weaver and Trout. Yankees may have to toss in Gardner, but maybe not.
Lunchbox45
I don’t see how you could trade a guy like this at age 28. Sure he is going to command a lot but Angels don’t run on a small budget..
How do you explain to your fan base that you wouldn’t commit 100 million to one of the best pitchers in baseball but are willing to commit 80 Million to Wells.
He should have already been inked to 4 or 5 more years.
East Coast Bias
That’s what I was thinking. Hard to see them letting him walk after the disappointing off season. And I don’t know if next year’s FA are worthy of making a big splash, besides the obvious first baseman. At this point, Arte has to pony up the $ to meet Boras’ demands, because if Weaver hits free agency, his price will sky rocket.
TheHotCorner 2
Everyone is a trade candidate for the right price. You get the right price and the fan base should be fine. With that being said I don’t see anyone offering enough to make the trade.
Lunchbox45
yes everyone is available for the right price..
but where are the angels going to fill their top of the rotation needs?
notsureifsrs
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TheHotCorner 2
That is why I said I don’t see him leaving. Someone would have to include (along with other pieces) a AAA prospect that is viewed as a #1.
phoenix2042
Let the ludicrous talk of “montero+banuelos+betances+brackman+nova+gardner” begin!
Cubbie
Weaver should go to the cubs
Scott
Re-signing Weaver won’t be easy. He should have been taken higher in the 2004 draft but most teams shied away due to his/Boras contract demands. Weaver almost re-entered the draft, but was signed close to the deadline almost a year after the draft. There is no doubt that Weaver is on the short list of aces in MLB, but I don’t see the Angels trading him unless a) there is zero hope of a contract extension or b) the Angels are in last place at the trading deadline in 2012. If a contract extension hasn’t been agreed to and the Angels are in contention in 2012, they’ll keep him and take a crack at re-signing him in the free agent market. However, Weaver is from SoCal, went to school down the road in Long Beach, and Boras has season seats in Anaheim. Maybe Arte should send over a peace offering in the form of a pretzel and get this contract signed now. As long as he doesn’t marry a New Englander (see Lackey, John), he should be an Angel for many more years.
JohnS
Angels are better off without Lackey.
Scott
I agree, but it was a bummer to see him leave the Halos for the Red Sox at the time.
notsureifsrs
how do you figure?
vtadave
He probably “figures” after watching Lackey pitch.
notsureifsrs
maybe. but i prefer not to presume someone is that dumb right out of the gate
Lucas Kschischang
I got it.
Juan Rivera, Jason Frasor, Edwin Encarnation for Jered Weaver, Jordan Walden and 80 Million.
bjsguess
As an Angels fan …
If Weaver can be signed to a 3-4 year deal at under $15m/year then you have to jump on that. If he is determined to go to FA then he has to be traded.
The team needs to focus on making smart moves. If the price to signing Weaver long-term is similar to what you would pay on the FA market then he should be gone. Take from some farm system and let someone else pay through the nose for Weaver. If the Angels are playing under 500 ball THIS YEAR, I would move Weaver and Haren and anyone else that I can that is not under less than 3 years of service time.
As a fan I want my team to be competitive (i.e. a playoff team) in both the short AND long term. If the team is not playoff caliber now they should be doing everything in the their power to retool and gear up for next year and beyond. As an example, if they are an 80 win team as currently composed, I would rather them become a 70 win team and dump Weaver, Haren, Hunter, and Abreu. You save a TON of money but more importantly the haul that you would get from that collection of players would be massive. The team would be stocked to be competitive in 2012 and beyond.
Now this assumes that Tony can work some magic in securing prospects but Haren and Weaver should both command multiple “A” prospects. Hunter and Abreu bring you less but still provide value … especially to a playoff bound team.
cookmeister
i thought you were done being an Angels fan after the Wells trade?
vtadave
Why would he be? Wells has a .307 OP-freaking-S.
Dodgerblue18
Is trading one of the best pitchers in baseball a good idea to begin with?
vtadave
If your hand is forced and you can get a king’s ransom in return, then yeah, maybe so.
DownTheygo1x1
Tony Reagins huffs and puffs and…. CHOKE!!!