Why does Guerrero rank as Type B with a score of 70.000, but Takashi Saito and Francisco Cordero rank as Type As with scores of 69.627 and 68.486, respectively?
es0terik
Because Elias is a tard. And also because Free Agents are ranked by their fielding position.
The cutoff varies by grouping of position. Obviously that value was lower for pitchers.
tacko
Different category of player. There’s no cutoff number to be a type A or B player. You need a Elias score that ranks in the top 20% (or somethig like that) of their certain category of position.
es0terik
Uh… lol? Kelly Johnson is a Type A free agent now? That changes things for the Blue Jays.
FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
That changes EVERYTHING!
0bsessions
A wizard did it.
BooJays33
not that they wouldnt have offered him arb before but now if he leaves we get 2 comp picks!? sweet…this probably means teams will be reluctant to give up the picks… i see him coming back on a 1 year deal.
AlexTG
yeah he may accept arb because of that too.
themadman0307
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but if the Phillies do not re-sign Lidge, Ibanez, Rollins, and Oswalt, and the all sign elsewhere, the Phils could actually have 5 first round picks (their own, the picks of the teams that sign Rollins and Oswalt, and supplemental 1st round picks because of losing Lidge and Ibanez).
They would have to all turn down arb offers, not happening.
es0terik
Who the hell would give a first round pick for Ibanez? LOL
Edit: Oh wait, I just double-checked the list. Ibanez and Lidge are Type B Free Agents… You don’t get first round picks for them, you get supplemental round picks for them.
Looking at it that way, if the Blue Jays don’t re-sign anybody and they all sign elsewhere, the Jays get three first round picks (their own, compensation for Beede, and compensation for Johnson) and five supplemental picks (Camp, Francisco, Rauch, Molina, Johnson) for eight picks in the first round overall.
Jaysfan724
I thought Type A was you get that team’s 1st round pick if they are not 1 of the first 15, and a sandwich pick between rounds 1 & 2?
ukJaysfan
Basically you’re right. The only wrinkle comes into play if the signing team signs multiple type A free agents – then you could get a 2nd, 3rd and so on….
jumsy
There is no way the Phils offer arb to Oswalt, Lidge, or Ibanez.
Ry.the_Stunner
I don’t think so. Since they’re paying their buyout, they won’t be offering them arbitration, so they won’t get compensation if they sign elsewhere.
East Coast Bias
You only get draft picks if you offer arbitration to the player, he declines, and signs elsewhere. Hard to imagine all three of those things working out for everyone you listed, besides maybe Rollins.
notsureifsrs
if the rays get two draft picks out of kyle farnsworth i will slap their mothers. damn you friedman
johnsmith4
Tampa’s fielding certainly plays a role in improving their relievers Elias ranking. With the new CBA, I doubt they remain this aggressive in turning over their bullpen.
johnsmith4
Tampa’s fielding certainly plays a role in improving their relievers Elias ranking. With the new CBA, I doubt they remain this aggressive in turning over their bullpen.
Does the order of names in the lists mean anything? For instance, Jose Reyes is listed 20th on this list, however, his rank based on the number next to his name would put him 16th. I’m assuming 16th is the relevent position here, right?
EDIT: By the way, thanks for posting this. You guys do a fantastic job.
I hope the Jays offer arb to all of those players and that they all turn it down. Hopefully they have a handshake agreement in place with Rauch because otherwise it is hard to imagine how he would turn down arbitration.
I think it would be pretty great if they managed to get a supp. pick out of Molina.
BooJays33
handshake agreement is the only way that goes down. im not sure he is wearing a major league uniform come next april. would love to get a first rounder for johnson
Andy Mc
Why do people always neglect the fact that if a FA accepts arb. offer, they are on a NON-GUARANTEED CONTRACT. This influences their decision.
AA says “look Rauch, we’re offering arb., but there is no guarantee that you will make the team… In fact you will likely be cut.”
Rauch has zero security if he accepts, but he can get a guaranteed FA contract.
This is incorrect. If a player is offered arbitration and ACCEPTS he is then GUARANTEED a contract from the offering club. That’s why clubs have to make the decision on offering it. If it was non-guaranteed like you claim there would be no reason not to.
Bombastic_Dave
Does D’Arnaud figure to be ready this year from NH? If not, it would still be pretty great for Molina to accept arbitration or resign, though I imagine he’d find more money elsewhere.
I guess it depends on how one values Molina’s contributions. His payroll impact is not much of an issue. So does his mentoring of JP and his handling of staff outweigh a supp. pick + a different veteran back up?
I would be inclined to think the latter was more valuable/desirable, but then again I am not in the club house.
Dotel getting type A status means it’s even better that the Jays traded him. No WAY anybody gives up a first rounder for a 39 year old righty specialist
johnsmith4
true….but…it gives team who has Dotel more control over him….for example….Rays most likely to keep Farnsworth another year because of Type A status.
Allowed Jays to control Frasor for several years because he would only leave for a 2 year guaranteed contract.
The ongoing labor talks have no effect to this, right? There’s talk about them eliminating free agent compensation, and assuming that gets implemented, that wouldn’t go into effect until next year’s class… right?
I’m pretty sure that’s right. IIRC, the 2007 draft was governed by the rules laid out in the CBA that expired after the 2006 season (e.g. two sandwich rounds, Type C free agents). Not 100% sure, though.
powertech84
I dont think takashi saito can be offered arbitration
Alex 18
Why does Guerrero rank as Type B with a score of 70.000, but Takashi Saito and Francisco Cordero rank as Type As with scores of 69.627 and 68.486, respectively?
es0terik
Because Elias is a tard. And also because Free Agents are ranked by their fielding position.
es0terik
(double post)
Mack
The cutoff varies by grouping of position. Obviously that value was lower for pitchers.
tacko
Different category of player. There’s no cutoff number to be a type A or B player. You need a Elias score that ranks in the top 20% (or somethig like that) of their certain category of position.
es0terik
Uh… lol? Kelly Johnson is a Type A free agent now? That changes things for the Blue Jays.
FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
That changes EVERYTHING!
0bsessions
A wizard did it.
BooJays33
not that they wouldnt have offered him arb before but now if he leaves we get 2 comp picks!? sweet…this probably means teams will be reluctant to give up the picks… i see him coming back on a 1 year deal.
AlexTG
yeah he may accept arb because of that too.
themadman0307
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but if the Phillies do not re-sign Lidge, Ibanez, Rollins, and Oswalt, and the all sign elsewhere, the Phils could actually have 5 first round picks (their own, the picks of the teams that sign Rollins and Oswalt, and supplemental 1st round picks because of losing Lidge and Ibanez).
Do I have that correct???
martinfv2
They would have to all turn down arb offers, not happening.
es0terik
Who the hell would give a first round pick for Ibanez? LOL
Edit: Oh wait, I just double-checked the list. Ibanez and Lidge are Type B Free Agents… You don’t get first round picks for them, you get supplemental round picks for them.
Looking at it that way, if the Blue Jays don’t re-sign anybody and they all sign elsewhere, the Jays get three first round picks (their own, compensation for Beede, and compensation for Johnson) and five supplemental picks (Camp, Francisco, Rauch, Molina, Johnson) for eight picks in the first round overall.
Jaysfan724
I thought Type A was you get that team’s 1st round pick if they are not 1 of the first 15, and a sandwich pick between rounds 1 & 2?
ukJaysfan
Basically you’re right. The only wrinkle comes into play if the signing team signs multiple type A free agents – then you could get a 2nd, 3rd and so on….
jumsy
There is no way the Phils offer arb to Oswalt, Lidge, or Ibanez.
Ry.the_Stunner
I don’t think so. Since they’re paying their buyout, they won’t be offering them arbitration, so they won’t get compensation if they sign elsewhere.
East Coast Bias
You only get draft picks if you offer arbitration to the player, he declines, and signs elsewhere. Hard to imagine all three of those things working out for everyone you listed, besides maybe Rollins.
notsureifsrs
if the rays get two draft picks out of kyle farnsworth i will slap their mothers. damn you friedman
johnsmith4
Tampa’s fielding certainly plays a role in improving their relievers Elias ranking. With the new CBA, I doubt they remain this aggressive in turning over their bullpen.
johnsmith4
Tampa’s fielding certainly plays a role in improving their relievers Elias ranking. With the new CBA, I doubt they remain this aggressive in turning over their bullpen.
Kevin Pereira
Do the rankings base itself on a lifetime achievement, or a single season? New to the system.
Ferrariman
past 2 seasons.
0bsessions
Last two seasons.
tacko
Last 2 seasons.
legaryd
Methinks that Edwin Jackson’s value has shot up quite a bit now that he’s a Type B and won’t cost teams a first-rounder
theperfectgame
Does the order of names in the lists mean anything? For instance, Jose Reyes is listed 20th on this list, however, his rank based on the number next to his name would put him 16th. I’m assuming 16th is the relevent position here, right?
EDIT: By the way, thanks for posting this. You guys do a fantastic job.
Jon Stark
I hope the Jays offer arb to all of those players and that they all turn it down. Hopefully they have a handshake agreement in place with Rauch because otherwise it is hard to imagine how he would turn down arbitration.
I think it would be pretty great if they managed to get a supp. pick out of Molina.
BooJays33
handshake agreement is the only way that goes down. im not sure he is wearing a major league uniform come next april. would love to get a first rounder for johnson
Andy Mc
Why do people always neglect the fact that if a FA accepts arb. offer, they are on a NON-GUARANTEED CONTRACT. This influences their decision.
AA says “look Rauch, we’re offering arb., but there is no guarantee that you will make the team… In fact you will likely be cut.”
Rauch has zero security if he accepts, but he can get a guaranteed FA contract.
Tom
This is incorrect. If a player is offered arbitration and ACCEPTS he is then GUARANTEED a contract from the offering club. That’s why clubs have to make the decision on offering it. If it was non-guaranteed like you claim there would be no reason not to.
Bombastic_Dave
Does D’Arnaud figure to be ready this year from NH? If not, it would still be pretty great for Molina to accept arbitration or resign, though I imagine he’d find more money elsewhere.
Jon Stark
I guess it depends on how one values Molina’s contributions. His payroll impact is not much of an issue. So does his mentoring of JP and his handling of staff outweigh a supp. pick + a different veteran back up?
I would be inclined to think the latter was more valuable/desirable, but then again I am not in the club house.
Joshua
Dotel getting type A status means it’s even better that the Jays traded him. No WAY anybody gives up a first rounder for a 39 year old righty specialist
johnsmith4
true….but…it gives team who has Dotel more control over him….for example….Rays most likely to keep Farnsworth another year because of Type A status.
Allowed Jays to control Frasor for several years because he would only leave for a 2 year guaranteed contract.
Andy Mc
Dotel has a team option anyway…
nick migliore
The ongoing labor talks have no effect to this, right? There’s talk about them eliminating free agent compensation, and assuming that gets implemented, that wouldn’t go into effect until next year’s class… right?
theperfectgame
I’m pretty sure that’s right. IIRC, the 2007 draft was governed by the rules laid out in the CBA that expired after the 2006 season (e.g. two sandwich rounds, Type C free agents). Not 100% sure, though.
powertech84
I dont think takashi saito can be offered arbitration
Barrettman84
Predictions: Type A
Albert Pujols, Cardinals – 95.200: Cards Prince Fielder, Brewers – 91.200: DodgersC.J. Wilson, Rangers – 90.988: RangersDavid Ortiz, Red Sox – 86.000: Blue JaysRyan Madson, Phillies – 82.948: PhilliesHeath Bell, Padres – 81.437: PadresCarlos Beltran, Giants – 80.879 (cannot be offered arbitration): Red SoxJonathan Papelbon, Red Sox – 80.292: Red SoxRamon Hernandez, Reds – 78.947: PiratesRoy Oswalt, Phillies – 78.350: NationalsMichael Cuddyer, Twins – 77.671: TigersJosh Willingham, Athletics – 77.534: BravesKelly Johnson, Blue Jays – 74.725: Blue JaysMatt Capps, Twins – 73.788: TwinsDarren Oliver, Rangers – 72.880: RangersJose Reyes, Mets – 77.249: NationalsJimmy Rollins, Phillies – 76.720: GiantsFrancisco Rodriguez, Brewers – 75.671: MarlinsOctavio Dotel, Cardinals – 70.922: CardsTakashi Saito, Brewers – 69.627: Japan!Francisco Cordero, Reds – 68.486: Reds
Joseph St John
Why is Coco Crisp UNRANKED?
Joseph St John
Why is Coco Crisp UNRANKED?
BeenThereDoneIt
Cause he stinks? Just a guess though 🙂
BeenThereDoneIt
Cause he stinks? Just a guess though 🙂
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