Sox Rebuilding, Seek Huge Return For John Danks

The White Sox are looking for a "Ubaldo Jimenez package" in return for John Danks, an executive told ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Twitter link). The Rockies' haul for Jimenez at this year's trade deadline consisted of four pitching prospects, including two former first-rounders in Drew Pomeranz and Alex White. However, Jimenez was still under team control for two-plus seasons when the Indians acquired him, while Danks' contract expires at the end of 2012.

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  1. Jonathan Morris 4 years ago

    surprise

  2. Nestor Molina will more likely be a valuable contributor as a SP than Santos will as a reliever, he never walks anyone ever.

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      …in high-A ball, at age 22, with 2 pitches. good prospect, but that prediction is premature

    • He hasn’t played at a game at the Major League level. How can you say that? Many pitchers do well at throwing strikes in the minors. Then they get to the big show and turn into wild pitchers. 

  3. Ha…  I love Danks, but if they expect to get what Colorado got for Ubaldo, Kenny’s nuts.  Jimenez was moved to a team desperate for an ace type at the trade deadline.  Danks has never shown the ability to really step up and be an ace, and let’s face it, you just don’t get as much in December as you do in July.

  4. Jonathan Morris 4 years ago

    I mean seriously what goes through his head when he fields these offers?????

    • It must just be a tactic to get the best possible offer. Even a lunatic like KW knows he isnt getting an Ubaldo package for 1 year of Danks. Same with Wren and Jurrjens. 

      It wouldnt make sense for them to come out and ask for a Kevin Slowey type package. But it still is funny when they ask for huge returns.

      • If a GM puts unrealistic demands out there wouldn’t it have a tendency to turn others off on the idea of dealing with him?

  5. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    cute new trend of asking for a package comparable to the one received for a player nothing like the one you’re shopping

  6. baseball52 4 years ago

    So John Danks isn’t going anywhere.

    • SwingtimeInTheRockies 4 years ago

      Not until Kenny stops lying to himself.

    • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

      Basically! No way he gets a Ubaldo package with fir one year of Danks. Maybe half if lucky.

  7. UltimateYankeeFan 4 years ago

    I guess the White Sox aren’t really looking to trade Danks?

  8. vtadave 4 years ago

    Let’s see, Jimenez was controllable for not only 2011, but also for 2012-2014 for a total of just $18 million for the final three years.

    Danks? Yeah he’s a free agent after 2012.

    Danks trade package = Jimenez trade package?

    Only in the mind of one KW

  9. SixAces 4 years ago

    Hahahhahahaha… wait what? He’s serious? …

  10. miamiroc 4 years ago

    Apparently Kenny Williams also received some really good cocaine on the side from Miami in that deal for Ozzie. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

  11. Julian Miller 4 years ago

    In other news, Kenny Williams expects Jake Peavy to be pitching opening day and well into October.

  12. stewie75 4 years ago

    it’s so nice to not have the dumbest GM in town anymore. good luck with that, guys.

  13. Overvalue much??!

  14. This is even worse than the Jurrjens’ Greinke-like package.

    One year of Danks, who’s getting paid around $8MM versus 2 1/2 years, minimum, of Jimenez, who will make about $11.4MM during that time. With Felix and CC in the league, Jimenez doesn’t figure to hit his CY salary bumps, either. You have to figure that Jimenez voids his 2014 option, but still…this isn’t even comparable.

    Where do people come up with this stuff??

    -C

  15. And I thought Ozzie Guillen was crazy

    • Puppet 4 years ago

      Now we know why if thats what he was working with.

  16. Just looked at the guys numbers and honestly I am not very impressed.  I mean he is not a bad pitcher but ERA over 3.50 or higher every year or about. 

    That does not sound like number 1 starter.  For them to ask for that much is just nuts.

  17. BluMule 4 years ago

    LOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLLOLOLOL I needed a good laugh, Also Isn’t beckham only 25 why wouldn’t he be part of the rebuilding?

  18. J.j. Miller 4 years ago

    this doesnt make sense

    danks-ubaldo like package…1 yr of control

    jurrjens- braves want a greinke like package. injury issues

    gio- has 4 yrs of team control,  he put up double the war value of jurrjens last 2 seasons

    yet people complain that A’s are asking too much lol

  19. cachhubguy 4 years ago

    If that is KW asking price, he is living on a different planet. Danks is good but not an elite starter. And he only has one year left on his contract! Crazy.

  20. cachhubguy 4 years ago

    KW wants Roy Halladay and Chase Utley for Gordan Beckham.

  21. i really hope alexei ramirez is moved too.  he’s got some value, and a moderate contract.  i think he stinks, way overrated, he’s not focused enough to be a field leader at shortstop.  plus, he can’t drive in runs from 3rd with less than 2 outs to save his life

    • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

      I….don’t even…..wow.

    • do you follow the white sox? i would love to know what kind of mythical drug you are on because you my friend must be in possession one of the greatest narcotics known to man. He is a one of the top 10 shortstops in MLB how you can possibly say he does not have the focus to be a shortstop is idiotic..he has a .283 hitter, avgs 18 HRs, 72RBIs and 13 steals.. please dont speak anymore..

      • dennis shin 4 years ago

        only explanation is that he’s channeling some sort of wicked bad performance art routine. Avant garde!

    • dennis shin 4 years ago

      stop the insanity already

  22. I am officially done rooting for the White Sox until Kenny is fired.  Does anyone else in Chicago realize he still has his “all in” team in tact minus Juan Pierre?  Why the hell wouldn’t you give all in one more shot, with a couple of bench upgrades, or hey how about we give Viciedo a shot.  Dunn and Rios can’t possibly have any worse of a year as last.  Morel has a year under his belt.  The pitching wasn’t really the problem.  But instead KW is going to blow this team up and try and do something new?  I don’t get it.  I am very frustrated with the Santos move and the team apparently having no loyalty to one of the faces of the franchise, in Buerhle.

    • Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

      I live in Chicago and completely agree. The White Sox, as much as the media denies it, are still a contender on paper even without Buerhle. If anything, they are better with Pierre gone and Viciedo getting a shot in LF. With all of their talent, you have to believe that at least one of Beckham, Dunn, and Rios rebound and it is not a horrible gamble to say  that 2 or all 3 of them rebound next season. That fixes the majority of Chicago’s problems right there. However, here’s my idea and I’m sure it will have some negative feedback.

      Sign Aramis Ramirez to play 3b with a similar contract to what Buehrle would have cost and possibly package Morel in a deal that helps the team elsewhere. Before people shoot it down, hear me out. Aramis Ramirez repeatedly shot down the Cubs ability to trade him because he wanted to stay in Chicago with his family and keep them settled. He is only leaving now because his contract is up and he wants to play for a contender, which he doesn’t believe the Cubs are building in the near future. If the White Sox had Aramis in their lineup , it would be one of the most powerful lineups in baseball. This lineup is definitely the most powerful in the Central. It needs a leadoff hitter, but maybe packaging Alex Rios and Brett Morel could land them one?

      CF) Alex Rios/SS Alexei Ramirez
      LF) Dayan Vicieo
      1b) Konerko
      3b) ARam
      RF) Quentin
      DH) Dunn
      SS/CF) Alexei Ramirez/Alex Rios
      C) Pierzynski
      2b) Beckham

      • FS54 4 years ago

        First of all I don’t get why they are letting Buehrle go. Anyways, if they trade Danks or even Floyd and replace them with Stewart and Sale, that’s gonna be one long summer for White Sox fans.

        • dennis shin 4 years ago

          At this point in their careers, Sale and Stewart have more upside than Buehrle, possibly Floyd. Danks is not likely coming back, so it’s a consideration of whether he’ll be a Type A, and what compensation they can get for letting him walk, or getting something for him now. Best guess is KW waits until the trading deadline, hoping someone will overpay, also checking to see if the Sox will be in the race. The AL central always has, and will continue to be, winnable.

      • cachhubguy 4 years ago

        Aramis Ramirez is leaving because he wants more $$$$. No other reason.

      • cachhubguy 4 years ago

        Aramis Ramirez is leaving because he wants more $$$$. No other reason.

    • Hoosierdaddy92 4 years ago

      I live in Chicago and completely agree. The White Sox, as much as the media denies it, are still a contender on paper even without Buerhle. If anything, they are better with Pierre gone and Viciedo getting a shot in LF. With all of their talent, you have to believe that at least one of Beckham, Dunn, and Rios rebound and it is not a horrible gamble to say  that 2 or all 3 of them rebound next season. That fixes the majority of Chicago’s problems right there. However, here’s my idea and I’m sure it will have some negative feedback.

      Sign Aramis Ramirez to play 3b with a similar contract to what Buehrle would have cost and possibly package Morel in a deal that helps the team elsewhere. Before people shoot it down, hear me out. Aramis Ramirez repeatedly shot down the Cubs ability to trade him because he wanted to stay in Chicago with his family and keep them settled. He is only leaving now because his contract is up and he wants to play for a contender, which he doesn’t believe the Cubs are building in the near future. If the White Sox had Aramis in their lineup , it would be one of the most powerful lineups in baseball. This lineup is definitely the most powerful in the Central. It needs a leadoff hitter, but maybe packaging Alex Rios and Brett Morel could land them one?

      CF) Alex Rios/SS Alexei Ramirez
      LF) Dayan Vicieo
      1b) Konerko
      3b) ARam
      RF) Quentin
      DH) Dunn
      SS/CF) Alexei Ramirez/Alex Rios
      C) Pierzynski
      2b) Beckham

    • Khabibulan 4 years ago

      Yeah, I’d sorta rather see them TRY this season. It’s possible Dunn has a big bounce back and Rios stops being terrible. Having those two perform like they should makes that lineup much better. The pitching would be a little lackluster without Buerhle (whom they should re-sign). But if they re-signed Buerhle, a Buerhle-Danks-floyd-Peavy-Sale rotation looks above-average.
      The team has the pieces, but dealing Santos leaves a hole at closer that I’m not sure they can fill with anyone they have, other than a rather untested Reed, or a bleh Frasor. Here’s hoping the Sox either completely blow this thing up, or stop now.
      Of course, if KW can get a solid return for Danks, I suppose the rotation can be effective if they sign another SP and hope Humber/Stewart can be a 4th/5th starter.

  23. You will hear me crying all the way from Chicago if they trade Danks or Quentin.

    • dennis shin 4 years ago

      Why, what have they done with them? And does anyone even recall how Danks or Quentin landed on the Sox to begin with?

  24. Randolph_Knackstedt 4 years ago

    ChiSox rebuilding? I feel sorry for Ventura.

  25. jphenix2002 4 years ago

    I’m surprised Pierzynski wasn’t named as a trade candidate, what with the dearth of legit catchers available.

    • Zuidvogels 4 years ago

      He has 10-5 rights

    • JimBaily 4 years ago

      Why would any team want him? He cant catch, hit or throw.

      • lolpods 4 years ago

        he actually hit well last year and put up a .728 ops. he cannot throw but he blocks pitches well.

  26. Casor_Greener 4 years ago

    It is clear he is posturing for the best deal possible.  The fact that so many people here take everything said so literal while claiming to be knowledgeable about baseball is ridiculous.

    Everyone wants to say KW is a horrible exec,m but MANY people were picking the White Sox to win the division last year.  Now things went bad and you all want to jump ship and start with the front running.

    • JimBaily 4 years ago

      The guy ran the team that had the 4th highest payroll in the majors, has the worst farm system in the majors and finished below .500. If that’s not enough reason to call him a “horrible exec” nothing ever will be for you.

      • Casor_Greener 4 years ago

        Worst farm system is subjective and can vary greatly from year to year.  He built a team MANY people thought could win the division and the players didn’t perform, that’s on more than just him. It’s on  the manager and players as well.

        I’m not saying he is the greatest, but this “horrible” thing is a bit of a stretch.

        • JimBaily 4 years ago

          I don’t think it’s a stretch at all. Kenny Williams is easily and by far the worst GM in baseball.
          The guy hasn’t made anything close to an intelligent trade since 06 and his farm system is ranked as dead last by Baseball Prospectus, Baseball America and Hardball Times. 

          The players didn’t perform because as a whole, he brought in bad players and had nothing on the farm to back them up if something didn’t work out.
          Rios, Beckham, AJ, Pierre, Peavy…………..

  27. Am i the only one who read that we have been in contact with Aaron Rowand?
    idk about any of you but if im rebuilding i dont want Aaron Rowand anywere near my team…some of the things people say on here blow my mind.. rios and morel for a leadoff hitter? we might be able to trade those 2 for a fungo bat a bucket of balls and a pack of big league chew, while eatting 85-90% of the owed salary.. A-Ram? yeah sure lets just toss more money to aging players thats a great idea while were at it, i think willy mo pena is still available and maybe we can trade for barry zito to replace buerhle.. And if Dunn starts sucking balls again maybe resign Manny we all know how KW loves bringing guys back for a 2nd tour after he lets them go…seriously can some of you people think about what your saying before you post it.

  28. Am i the only one who read that we have been in contact with Aaron Rowand?
    idk about any of you but if im rebuilding i dont want Aaron Rowand anywere near my team…some of the things people say on here blow my mind.. rios and morel for a leadoff hitter? we might be able to trade those 2 for a fungo bat a bucket of balls and a pack of big league chew, while eatting 85-90% of the owed salary.. A-Ram? yeah sure lets just toss more money to aging players thats a great idea while were at it, i think willy mo pena is still available and maybe we can trade for barry zito to replace buerhle.. And if Dunn starts sucking balls again maybe resign Manny we all know how KW loves bringing guys back for a 2nd tour after he lets them go…seriously can some of you people think about what your saying before you post it.

  29. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    any two of those would be an overpay. actually, any one of them except nunez would be. if the yanks want danks, they should just sign jackson

    link to fangraphs.com

  30. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    So much facepalming in this post, so, so much.

  31. BluMule 4 years ago

    Errr Rios was when JP was around

  32. wow, so spot on. how does this man still have a job on baseball.  he’s ruined the organization in every possible direction.  why the hell isn’t ramirez being shopped, he sucks

  33. dennis shin 4 years ago

    how’s Tea-hen working for ya?

  34. imachainsaw 4 years ago

    a 133 ERA+ spanning from 2006-2010 sucks?. rite.
    Omitting Danks worst year, his ERA+ is still just 118. I don’t in what universe that makes him the better pitcher.

    go back and re-check the numbers before you so adamantly say that Ubaldo Jimenez ‘sucks’, when all the numbers say that 2011 was most likely the fluke season, not the 5 seasons before.

  35. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    Yeah, except for Danks being younger, a lefty, and much more consistent. 

  36. Did you read the article?

  37. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    “why would i do that? i already made up my mind”

  38. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    What about Danks being younger, throwing with his left hand, and being more consistent is incorrect? I read the article, it doesn’t change those 3 facts.

  39. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    Stop…just…..stop.

  40. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    – danks is only one year younger and no one cares anyway because he’s got one year to go on his contract and jackson is just 28

    – WAR, last three seasons:

    jackson: 3.6, 3.6, 3.8
    danks': 2.9, 4.3, 3.2

    which is more consistent again?

    – from game to game, jackson was the more consistent pitcher last year. read the comments section of that article for the data

    but yea, danks is left-handed. empty the farm

  41. Danks is only under contract for another year. would be dumb to give up prospects for a guy w ho may not stay with the team after the season. you must be a whitesox fan.

  42. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    Lol, you clearly didn’t watch very many white sox games last year if you think Edwin Jackson is the more consistent starter. I don’t know what else to tell you.

  43. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    derp

    This is easy enough to test. Their average game scores for 2011 were nearly identical – 50.77 for Jackson, 50.67 for Danks. The average standard deviation for Danks was 18.61, much higher than Jackson’s 15.6. This suggests that Jackson was actually more consistent than Danks
    last year.

    By Game Score tiers:

    Starts<10: Danks 1, Jackson 0
    Starts<20: Danks 3, Jackson 2
    Starts<30: Danks 4, Jackson 4
    Starts60: Danks 10, Jackson 9
    Starts>70: Danks 3, Jackson 3
    Starts>80: Danks 1, Jackson 1
    Starts>90: Danks 1, Jackson 0

    The evidence actually shows the exact opposite for 2011. Last year, Jackson was the more consistent pitcher.

  44. Khabibulan 4 years ago

    Danks had a rough 2011. If you look at his prior track record, he, in my opinion, is a much better option than E Jax. However, Jackson would be cheaper, and provide the Yanks with some much needed rotation help.

  45. MB923 4 years ago

    I don’t think Jackson would be cheaper considering he is a Boras client.

  46. MB923 4 years ago

    I don’t think Jackson would be cheaper considering he is a Boras client.

  47. brian310 4 years ago

    It would be for league minimum. He is still getting paid by the giants and he would be a 4th outfielder

  48. Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

    The only reason we need Aaron for a 4th outfielder is if we over-deplete the one we have.  Rios, Viciedo, Quentin, DeAza, and Lillibridge are all on the roster.  (Please don’t tell me Lilli is an infielder, he is MUCH better defensively in the outfield, and can play all 3 spots).  So we can trade CQ, and play DeAza, Rios, and Viciedo L to R.  Now, if we can get somebody to take Rios and pay even half his salary, then we need another OF, but why not just keep CQ in left?

  49. dennis shin 4 years ago

    oh the humanity….and still can’t believe KW traded Freddy Garcia to the Phils and Brandon McCarthy to the Rangers. And something something for TCQ. What was he smokin?

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