White Sox, Jays Talked Quentin, Danks, Beckham

2:42pm: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star adds (via Twitter) that the two sides also discussed possible matchups for John Danks and Gordon Beckham, but in the end Toronto ended up settling on Santos "for now."

10:46am: The White Sox and Blue Jays have discussed a trade involving Carlos Quentin, tweets Jon Heyman of MLB Network. However, Heyman adds that talks appear to have cooled, as the White Sox are seeking other suitors.

With the White Sox looking to rebuild, Quentin is one of many veterans that could be had in the right deal this offseason. The Padres, Red Sox, and Orioles are among the teams reported to have had interest in the 29-year-old.

The Blue Jays and White Sox have already worked out one trade this offseason, swapping Sergio Santos and Nestor Molina during this week's Winter Meetings.


145 Responses to White Sox, Jays Talked Quentin, Danks, Beckham Leave a Reply

  1. Gurvir Nijjar 4 years ago

    Would be nice to see him in a blue jays uniform.

  2. vincentjulian 4 years ago

    Why would the Jays want Quentin? Or does AA and Kenny just love dealing with each other?

    • grownice 4 years ago

       AA apparently likes dealing with Kenny , stating he’s aggressive and can usually get deals done. Clearly this was more then just getting quentin i think which is probably why it felt apart , for now at least.

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      Strong right handed hitting power hitter who is more reliable than Encarnarcion

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        107 wRC+ to 115 over the past three seasons. no defensive value, so it’s really not enough of an upgrade for me to want to give up much if i’m the jays

        • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

          There’s no reason to think that Eric Thames won’t be the left-handed version of Carlos Quentin. Something of a 2.5-3 fWAR player with no defensive value.

  3. BluMule 4 years ago

    Not sure what to think of this… Used to only follow jays and just this year decided to get into the whole MLB.
    Bad or good that we didnt get him???

    • grownice 4 years ago

      Neutral. Depends what we would have given up. He would be better
      protection Than Lind has been the past two seasons in the 4 spot but
      only if he played a FULL season ( 140 + games at least)  , which he hasn’t in a while. He would also cause even more of a block in left field , most likely would have meant a trade involving Snider or Thames at some point. The trade was probably alot more complex then just aquiring Quentin which is why it probably cooled down.

  4. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    I don’t really understand this logic. The Blue Jays already have a crowded outfield, and appear to be happy with Encarnacion at DH. The only thing that really makes sense to me is if this is part of a bigger deal such as a three-team trade for pitching.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      unfortunately crowded outfield doesn’t mean good outfield

      besides bautista who in the outfield can they rely on?

      Quintin is a lock for a .800 OPS in the dome.. out of all our outfielders you can only say that about  bautista, high hopes for rasmus and a big who the heck knows for snider, thames and davis

      • HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

        I agree to some extent. I like Quentin, but where the franchise is at this point, I’d rather see Snider or Thames out there. 

        • johnsmith4 4 years ago

          I am thinking more along the lines of Quentin replacing Encarnarcion at DH.

      • Quentin for the jays opens up a snider ot thames to be packaged for Gonzalez or Garza type of deal. Would make sense

      • Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

        I think you can quite certainly pencil Davis in for a below .800 OPS. No question mark there.

    • Bombastic_Dave 4 years ago

      Or we unloaded some outfielders.  Quentin’s a work horse and would be great in our lineup to back up Bautista and make sure they don’t walk him in every big situation.  On the field, I think LF and DH are his only real options.

      I’m not saying the time is now, but at some point if Snider doesn’t produce like he’s expected to, he might be best used as trade bait, along with all of our other extraneous OF…

      • Ty 4 years ago

        He’s a work horse? My big issue with Quentin is that he’s never played more than 131 games in a season… I wouldn’t want to give up too much for a guy with that kind of injury history.

  5. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    Bye Bye Prince Fielder Dreams!

    • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

      Jays need more pitching. As for Fielder..

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        lets discuss this… do they really?

        Last year the following pitchers made multiple starts

        Jojo Reyes, Villanueva, Crappy Kyle Drabek, Crappy Brett Cecil, Slow Starting Morrow..

        is the pitching really in that dire of shape?

        • grownice 4 years ago

           Yes. Do you want Cecil back in the Rotation?

          • Sniderlover 4 years ago

            I do. 

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            def not.. but a strong spring by drabek, and he’s our 8th inning guy

          • nope. Assuming no additions, I would like to see them break camp with Romero, Morrow, McGowan, Alvarez, and Drabek. 

            (my picture envisions Drabek coming to Spring Training with his head cleared and a renewed ability to throw strikes).

          • johnsmith4 4 years ago

            Yes…if he can regain his 92 MPH velocity…and…only as a placeholder while we wait for some of the top pitching prospects to arrive.

        • JaysinSD 4 years ago

          Do you follow what the Blue Jays brass says about their own team? They’ve said they want starting pitching. Another guaranteed innings eater would be nice. All the names you mentioned have the issue where they can’t get consistently deep into games. That’s what the Blue Jays need now.

          Now, you could be attempting to be sarcastic, but since my response is this, I guess you failed.

        • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

          Yeah I’d say they do. Romero really wasn’t that good last year. Morrow needs to get ground balls a lot more. Drabek should be in the ‘pen to start the year, Cecil can be a solid #4-5 guy, but he needs to pitch at the knees for once. Litsch needs to stay in the pen, as does Villanueva.

          • JaysinSD 4 years ago

            No, Romero wasn’t good. That’s why he got votes in the AL Cy Young and posted his best numbers across the board, including wins. His HR was up, sadly, and his win percentage was down. But a lot of that can be attributed to lack of run support. Romero has ace stuff, especially considering he put up those numbers in the AL East. 

            I agree with Litsch and Villanueva, they’re great for the pen. I don’t see them putting Drabek in the pen. They’ll either keep him in the minors or rotation. And I think you’re bang on about Morrow. If he can keep it up, stay healthy, he’ll be great.

          • BluMule 4 years ago

            Also, Ricky was pitching against the other teams Ace, which leads to low run support for him.

          • Ryan Zeitz 4 years ago

            Romero wasn’t that good last year!?!?! I guess a sub-3.00 ERA and 1.14 WHIP isn’t good?

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            ERA! WHIP! Blah!

          • Sniderlover 4 years ago

            I thought Romero was fantastic last year. His FIP didn’t look all that good because he was pretty unlucky with his HR given up. You could say he was a bit lucky too last year as he didn’t give up many hits but part of that was because he had an extremely low LD%. Is it sustainable? Probably not but Romero did an excellent job at inducing weak groundballs which helped him get a lot of DP to get out of bad situations.

            I’d think his LD% returns back to normal and his HR rate goes down next year so he should still be a roughly 3.5-3.70 FIP pitcher.

            Also, I completely disagree with Drabek starting in the pen next year. Yeah he’s struggled but he was also rushed and I don’t see why you would move him to the pen so early in his career. I would let Drabek start in the minors and work on his command.

          • cyberboo 4 years ago

            What a ridiculous statement to make.  Romero wasn’t really that good last year.  The guy pitched 100 times better than Sabathia and didn’t need 14 blowouts to win 14 games of 19.  Pitchers that can win with 3 runs or less support are way more valuable than guys that need 10 runs a game to win, per Sabathia.  Look at his numbers.  He dominates in blowouts and has won exactly 3 games in two years with 3 runs or less.  He is 12 – 18 in games where he had more than 3, but less than nine runs a game.  Only idiots look at wins or what they do when there is no pressure to pitch, which is very obvious from what many write here.  Give Romero 10 runs a game and you see another 30 win pitcher in the majors.  That is the difference.  Didn’t pitch that good in 2011.  Give your head a shake because you are delusional.

        • slider32 4 years ago

          The Jays will keep those pitchers for 3 years finish 4th and make good bargain trades for them.

      • Coollet 4 years ago

        Gotta nuke something

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      You will find heavy drinking is more effective than baiting us if you are trying to forget about the loss of Pujols.

      • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

        The numbers Pujols put up in the past 11 years for the Cardinals will not be matched in the next 10 years in LA.

        Cardinals paid a total of 104 Million for 11 years = Average 9.45 Million per year (Age 20-31)

        Angels paid a total of 254 Million for 10 years = Average 25.4 Million per year (Age 31-41)

        Thats is 2.5 times more money than the Cardinals invested in Pujols. LA better hope they win at least 1 World Series in the next decade.

        Thats right there is enough to make me forget about Pujols.

  6. tycobb 4 years ago

    What are the chances he stays healthy, he has missed a ton of time over the last few years. Everytime he dives for a ball hes placed on the DL.

  7. tycobb 4 years ago

    I heard the Rays wanted Quentin as well :)

  8. tycobb 4 years ago

    I heard the Rays wanted Quentin as well :)

  9. I bet they the talks included Sox 2B Gordon Beckham, and when the Jays kept their 2B Johnson, that kinda killed the hot talks.  If Quentin can play 140 games though, he’ll be productive: 30+ hr, 100+ rbi, 80+runs, so I bet he gets moved within the next week or so after the non-tenders go out.

  10. Quentin has been injured a lot, but they were kinda freakish injuries, getting hit on the wrist during his breakout season screwed up the possible MVP award that year & messed with his next season though he came back as good as anyone who had a broken wrist, and then his shoulder injury diving for a ball, which looked like a horrible injury, but is now ok.  He plays with quiet passion, angry, almost vicious, if he got to DH a little & maybe play LF, that would slow down his injury rate I think. 

    • JaysinSD 4 years ago

      On this, I can agree. Getting Encarnacion to learn LF, and having Johnson available, could mean you can give Quentin either DH days or days off, with people to fill in the holes.

    • Palehose 4 years ago

      Not to be picky, but when Quentin broke his wrist in ’08, it wasn’t because it was hit. Rather, he slammed his fist into his bat in frustration after an AB in Cleveland. That little move cost him the final month of ’08 and a really good chance at MVP, as you mentioned.

      He also dealt with plantar fasciitis during ’09, but it really hasn’t come up since.

  11. JaysinSD 4 years ago

    Adding Quentin in a move to open up Snider and/or Thames for trade would be a viable option. Adding a bat like his to protect Bautista, then using the young guys as trade chips for starting pitching. AA is all about multi-team deals, as we’ve learned in the past, so I would not be surprised if this was a plan. That also means that talks could have cooled because AA was unable to make progress on other deals. Acquiring a closer was easy, but I see a much more convoluted process to get us a great starter.

    • mkl_nyn 4 years ago

      Think a lot of people are giving up wayy too early on a 23 year old kid with this much potential.  And since it would be such a sell-low situation, you wouldn’t get anything good in a starting pitcher with him in the deal anyways.  They’re probably waiting on Darvish to sign somewhere before making their move for the rotation, but def wouldn’t mind seeing Edwin Jackson end up here to eat up an easy 200 innings as a No. 3 starter if Yu lands elsewhere. 
      Also not sure why the jays aren’t taking a harder look at Aramis Ramirez on a 1-3 year deal as a way to add a power bat without giving anything up in a Quentin deal — nice insurance at third in case Lawrie slips out of the gate or EE/Lind aren’t consistent enough at 1B/DH.

  12. Carlos Quentin – Orioles are among the teams reported to have had interest in the 29-year-old. I don’t think the Orioles were ever interested in Carlos.
    1st he’s a right fielder.. we have Markakis
    2nd I think the White Sox were trying to dump him and his salary on us if we got Gavin Floyd in trade.
    3rd If anyone had interest it was Duquette and let me tell you, I am ready to run him out of town with the way things are progressing in “Charm City”

    It wasn’t fan interest that wanted to bring ol Carlos to town, that I am sure of!

    • JaysinSD 4 years ago

      1- Carlos played left as well, other than the last 2 years. He plays both corner positions
      2 – White Sox ARE looking to shed salary, since they are tearing the team down completely. They aren’t trying to trade a dud player, they want to rebuild, as it was said earlier in the paragraph.
      3 – GMs are meant to do the best for their team. Look at Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopolous. Traded Halladay, then next year traded Marcum. Fan loved starters. He got good returns out of them though, wasn’t LOVED at the time but we knew what was going on. Imagine if you had Quentin and Markekis on your corners. Not too shabby my friend.

      • not particularly great on the corners either. Doesn’t really seem to make sense given where the O’s are at right now in their rebuild.

  13. I_Like_Baseball 4 years ago

    CQ is inevitably going to be gone by season’s start…whatever

  14. SneakyLongBalls 4 years ago

    Probably smokin a litte too much on these thoughts, but IF Quentin is brought in, the following could happen
    Trade Snider or Thames, Lind and Drabek or another SP prospect for high end SP perhaps Gonzalez, Latos, etc…
    Fielder gets signed
    New Lineup

    Ramus
    Escobar
    Bautista
    Fielder
    Quentin
    Lawrie
    Johnson
    Arencibia
    EE/Thames/Snider

    But, I’ve been wrong before

    • slider32 4 years ago

      You still aren’t better than the Sox, Yanks, or Rays with that line up.

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        I’d say that lineup is prety easily better than the Rays’.

        Of course, pitching and defense is another matter.

    • Dylan 4 years ago

      Ryan Howard for Adam Lind. Done.

  15. soxfan000 4 years ago

    Consider though, I think the White Sox really want to tear it ALL apart, including Danks (who may be of interest to the Blue Jays), Floyd, Quentin, Beckham, but also Kornerko, Pyrzyinski (tho, who would want him?), Peavy (same thing).  I think Williams is closing the book on his last few years & wants to get rid of the almost the whole damn team, except of course the untradeables, Dunn & Rios.  Most GM’s get fired for getting themselves into this much crap.  I guess that championship really meant a lot to their owner. 

  16. Adam Sager 4 years ago

    Danks/Floyd and Quentin for some pitching prospects could get interesting.  Maybe like Deck McGuire, Drew Hutchinson, Asher Wojciechowski and Evan Crawford for either Danks or Floyd and Quentin

    • I don’t think it’s worth it for the Jays to empty half their pitching depth in the farm system for a year of Danks and Quentin.

      • ya, they really wouldn’t make the jays that much better now and it would definitely hurt in the long run.

      • commenter3346 4 years ago

        Unless the Jays extend Danks.

        • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

          Yeah, pretty much. If they can get a window for extension, then I think it’s worth it for them.

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

          that’s a separate deal from the trade. Of course you’d try to extend him, but why would you give the ChiSox a package that would be worth extended-Danks?

          • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

            Because you can do a trade that is conditional on a contract extension. I think it happened with Halladay to Philly trade a few years ago.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            Halladay had 2 teams he was willing to play for

            Danks will probably not want to sign when he can hit the open market

          • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

            I’m just saying it’s possible to make a trade that hinges on a contract extension, not saying Danks would be open to it.

    • BluMule 4 years ago

      I must be lost somewhere, I thought Evan Crawford was with the cubs? was there a trade

  17. Dynasty22 4 years ago

    Seeing as KW asked for Montero and Banuelos for Floyd/Danks, I assume he would start with Gose and D’Arnaud just to warm talk.

  18. Shawnthemon 4 years ago

    I would love to have Quentin, he would be a good 4 behind Bautista, or a good 5 behind Fielder ;), I’m not sure what it would take to get him, I know its not Gose and D’Arnaud like the person above me said. But I would give them a package around Jiminez, Thames and a pitching prospect (decent ones), he is a beast at the plate when he stays healthy.

    • Adam Sager 4 years ago

      The Sox want pitching back.  They wouldn’t want Thames.  They might want Jimenez, but I think they would rather have something like McGuire and another decent pitching prospect for Quentin.

      • slider32 4 years ago

        Quentin is not going to make the Jays that much better.

        • lug 4 years ago

          Wow!! Jays must be @&$! awesome.

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            nah, Quentin just isn’t that great.

          • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

            He is when he is healthy. Guy has huge power and is solid at getting on base (tons of HBP). Plus, without looking up the numbers, I would say he is probably better with the bases loaded than any Jays player.

          • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

            Thats the problem. He’s hurt alot and can’t be counted on for a full season. I wouldn’t trade any top prospects for him thats for sure.

          • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

            He has played in 75% of his games in his career, and none of his injuries, IIRC, were re-occuring. He is only a health risk because he seems to have bad luck, not because he is not healing properly or has bad mechanics or anything like that.

        • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

          Agreed. Maybe with the addition of Fielder or someone of that type.But Quentin alone in the lineup isn’t gonna be that great of improvement. Especially with his injury past.

  19. BaseballWizard 4 years ago

    What, did the Blue Jays run out of 25 year old A-ball players to give to the Wite Sox?

    • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

      None of that comment makes sense. Who was the last 25-year-old A-ball player the Blue Jays gave the white sox? 

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        I think he was describing either Nestor Molina or Zach Stewart

        in both cases, he’s wrong. but ya

        • Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

          Right, that’s what I was getting at, how wrong he was on all accounts. 

  20. It’s always suprising how fans never learn how risky “prospects” are.  I mean, cause a guy does well at AA & Jim Callis puts him in your teams Top 15, doesn’t mean that player is worth more than a halfway decent OF with an injury history.  As a Sox fan I am tired of Kenny Williams’ way, I really am, but he has moved more supposed star prospects around, Aaron Cunningham, Chris Carter, Anthony Webster, and on & on as much as anybody else has traded “prospects” and the only time it has been regrettable was trading Gio Gonzalez that second time.  Chris Young, meh, whatever, maybe he’ll keep moving it forward and make another on that regret list, but Kenny has been doing this type of stuff for as long as he’s been GM.  His real prpblem is what he’s dealing with now, trading the vets, he’s not so good at that. 

  21. Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

    Here’s a proposal for the Jays which Might work, but all would have to fall in place:

    Jays Sign Prince Fielder for 5 years with vesting options for 6 and 7; which would negate criticisms about his weight, and completely goes against AA’s philosophy when signing longer-term contracts.

    To TB:
    Adam Lind
    Prospect? (if needed)

    To TOR:
    Joel Peralta
    JP Howell

    Jays move JP Arenciba to Part time DH/1B, alternating with Prince.
    Jays call up D’Arnaud for full-time starting duty.
    This would help make the team’s core players younger, and unblock D’Arnaud, and thus increase his value. Everyone in the Jays starting lineup would have 20HR+ power, with two 50 threats, and potentially two 30+ threats (Arencibia, healthy Snider with a full year).

    Potential Lineup
    SS Escobar
    LF/CF/RF Thames/Snider
    3B/2B Lawrie
    RF/3B Bautista
    1B/DH Fielder
    CF Rasmus
    DH/1B/C Arencibia
    2B/LF Johnson
    C D’Arnaud

    Bench
    C Mathis
    DH/1B/3B (hopefully not 3B) Encarnacion
    2B/SS Valbuena
    OF/PR Davis

    Rotation
    SP Romero
    SP Morrow
    SP Alvarez
    SP McGowan
    SP Cecil/Drabek/FA Acquisition

    Bullpen
    RP Janssen
    RP Villanueva
    RP Howell
    RP Peralta
    RP Carreno
    RP Perez
    CP Santos
    (with maybe a FA Aquisition as a RP)

    Seems to be a contending lineup to me.
    Thoughts?

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

      arencibia isn’t a good enough hitter to be playing 1B/DH. I’d rather they keep d’Arnaud down, at least until midseason.

      • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

        I think JPA will be fine; he battled thumb/wrist problems throughout the year, and still hasn’t had 500 MLB at bats. At 1B/DH, he’s less prone to injury, and thus potentially more productive.

        Projected to 550 abs, he’s at 29 HR, with 95 RBI.

        That’s better than Lind’s production.

        • $14878247 4 years ago

          I think it’s better to just keep JPA at catcher for the year, no need to rush d’Arnaud, and DH EE. I really like EE’s bat and plate discipline. I’m positive that if EE get’s full time DH duties, maybe spell 1B or 3B several games, he’ll post very good numbers. I think he could have an OPS of.800-.850.

    • I didn’t quite get the motivation to call up D’arnaud. Why not give him full playing time at AAA and JPA full catching duties with the Jays? 

      • Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

        D’Arnaud is coming of an AA MVP year, he should be able to scratch his way through a full MLB year. AAA will definitely be more beneficial at this point, but the idea is purely speculative.

        Alternatively: You could leave JPA at catcher, have EE DH/1B platoon with Fielder, and have room for another bench player.

    • Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

      D’Arnaud isn’t ready for ML action yet. He’s had 114 games at AA level. With JP as Catcher theres no need to rush a young catcher up just to fill a spot. Anyone on the teams capable of DH’ing.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      I just threw up in my mouth 

    • mkl_nyn 4 years ago

      Yikes.. three 21 year olds in key spots in your rotation and starting lineup.  Might be a good idea to look up how players in their early 20’s usually perform, or you’re probably going to be up for a major let down.  Possibly a great lineup/rotation in a couple years, but expectations for this upcoming season might be a little too high imho.

  22. windycitywarrior 4 years ago

    First off you uninformed people… Quentin is awesome but a bit streaky. He can carry a team from like late May until July 1 and kind of tail off a bit at the end. As far as his defense goes its as sound a right field as you can play. Ive seen him lay out and really get a few in mid air. Not sure how much he is worth because of him only being signed for a year but if the Jays could extend him he would be a good pick up.

  23. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    They really don’t though, not without a dramatically improved rotation. 

    Barring some huge trades, or a fluke-type year, they won’t be contending this year. And for the record, I’m a Blue Jays fan.

  24. Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

    I thought so too until the Angels got Phat Albert & C-Yay Wilson. Now there’s no way they finish ahead of Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers or Angels…

  25. slider32 4 years ago

    Jays are a fouth place team at this point. They would need to sign Fielder, Garza, and Beltran to be a contender.

  26. grownice 4 years ago

    You’re getting predictable.

    Insert keywords , Leafs, Cheap, Deck Chairs , Titanic, Mediocrity

  27. BluMule 4 years ago

    Dumbest = Most loyal 😛
    btw Blue Jays are not a part of the MLSE nor Bell.

  28. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    All Rogers did was buy the majority stake along with Bell for MLSE. Rogers as a company, and The Blue Jays have nothing to do with Bell. 

    Maybe if you took some time away from your negativity and intense trolling, you’d have more time to read through things.

  29. expos94 4 years ago

    the blue jays are owned separate from MLSE, bell owns nothing in the blue jays

  30. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    just curious oh angry one, what is your favorite team

  31. Coollet 4 years ago

    I think the jury has spoken…

  32. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    And you know Thames isn’t good because he played in a whole 95 games at age 25? or Snider because he’s had inconsistent playing time in the bigs through age 23?

    I’m not saying that either of these guys are the next big thing, but to make a statement that Thames isn’t good at this point in his career is ridiculous.

  33. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Thames is defensively challenged, and thats a really hard thing to get better at, as you get slower and older.

    He also has a really bad approach at the plate, doesn’t recognize pitches outside of the zone and refuses to take walks..

    so while casting him away at 25 is foolish, expecting him to be an impact LF in the majors would carry the same degree of foolishness.

    He’s a starting OF for a bad team or a 4th OF for a good team.

  34. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    well said mr. anchovy

  35. slider32 4 years ago

    They’re both young and not very good.

  36. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    As for his D, sure you can’t argue with that, but it’s LF. 

    Jose Bautista had a terrible plate approach early in his career as well, so there is nothing to say that his stance and other quirks can’t be worked out.

  37. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Jose Bautista took a path very exclusive to him.. we cant bank on players becoming all of a sudden premier players at 29 years old.

  38. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    agreed, but I dont think Drabek is crappy, he just was crappy.. I think people are sleeping on him because of how poorly he performed last year but he still has the make up and stuff of a legit starter.

  39. JaysinSD 4 years ago

    I agree, don’t give up on Drabek. But you still have Romero, Morrow, Drabek…Reyes? Cecil? Really? Sure, put Alvarez in, because he can be great. But there’s still a lack of a 5th starter, specifically one that can eat up innings.

  40. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    I was listing the pitchers that made starts last year, not the rotation this year. 

  41. JaysinSD 4 years ago

    Duh, you would think I would remember that *sigh*. My mistake there. Just got caught up in that.

  42. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Honestly, I rather them sign Jackson then trade for gonzalez, jackson has been better the last 2 years and doesnt’ require prospect to land

  43. smokinjays 4 years ago

    I think Alvarez earned himself a spot, wouldnt be surprised to see him 4th or even 3rd next year

  44. Coollet 4 years ago

    Damn, no love for angry

  45. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     the jays

  46. Thames is 25, a left handed bat who dominated AAA, and hit 12 homeruns in his rookie season. Personally, I perfer Snider over Thames, but saying Thames wont be good because of his rookie sats is an understatement. Thames has power, speed, and hes a great athlete that has potential to become a good outfielder. How many young players show discipline at the plate? how many rookies? That chase every pitch that you think you can hit is the approach that the whole Jays team use (and its working for them), as he gets smarter his bat will become more dangerous.

  47. BooJays33 4 years ago

    plate discipline and LF defense will be improved next year…the guy was a rookie last year i dont understand why everyone thinks he’s all he’ll ever be.  he has a great attitude and solid work ethic from what i understand no reason to believe both of these aspects of his game won’t improve.  and its LF for god sakes, not ss or c. i for one am a fan..i think he has a solid bat and in a few years could have joe carter like upside.

    MANSWING will impress next year book it and trade lunchbox for some appitizers.

  48. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    if they signed Fielder, yes.

    if they don’t improve in other ways, then obviously no.
     

  49. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    seriously lol

  50. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    anger leads to the dark side….. which explains a lot with angry, are his eyes yellow

  51. I doubt GM’s worry too much if a pitcher resembles their best pitcher.

  52. renegadeisback 4 years ago

    Yes I’m sure AA is quite pleased with Lind’s
    back to back sub .300 OBP replacement level seasons.

  53. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    No, I agree we can’t. I’m just saying, you never know. 

    Maybe Luis Valbuena will hit 54 HR’s next season (sarcasm alert).

  54. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    “Never healthy” is an unfair statement. Since becoming a starter, he has played in 130 games, 99 games, 131 games, and 118 games. That’s about 75% of the games each season. He is due for a DL stint or two each season, but to say he is never healthy is simply not true. Jake Peavy, however, now that you could make a case for….

  55. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Gotta agree with you.  IMO Jays will have improved to same level as Rays were last year.  Only one problem, Rays will have improved as well.  It looks like Jays will finish 4th with 85 to 88 wins.

  56. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    angry is a chick… which is probably why she seems like she is always yelling in her comments

  57. philliesfan136 4 years ago

    Can’t sign Garza btw

  58. jedicouncil 4 years ago

    makes sense

  59. If they really thought it was a problem they could easily stick Morrow in between the two. 

  60. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    serious

  61. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Exactly. You said it right there. He’s never healthy. 162 games a year and never has he played close to it!!

  62. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    Do you not understand what “never” means? It’s loosely used a term to mean “hardly ever” or “usually not”, but neither of those terms apply either. No one plays 162 games a year anymore. Most “healthy” players will play 140-150 game range. He has reached the 130 games mark twice. If anything, he is “Mostly healthy”.

  63. BluMule 4 years ago

    Unless he changed it I see 5th.

  64. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Thats within striking distance though… it atleast creates a conversation at the trade deadline.

    4 teams in the division with 85+ wins would be something though

  65. Lucas Kschischang 4 years ago

    I think Lawrie over time will be most productive out of the 3 spot; he hits for a lot of XBH, especially doubles, and has good speed. That will create a lot of opportunities for Bautista, and offer both Lawrie, and Bautista protection.

  66. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    200 walks you say? Impressive.

  67. windycitywarrior 4 years ago

    Have you ever heard him talk? Hes from the US. He graduated from Stanford I believe. Thats a racist statement.

  68. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    Like I said….HE’S NEVER HEALTHY!!!! What part don’t you understand?????
    Any non-pitcher that needs Tommy John is probably injury prone!!
    Jose Bautista the past two years…149/161 games.
    MOST everyday players play EVERYDAY with maybe a handful of days off a year.

  69. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    Well, you DID say “if he didn’t lose 200 at bats on walks”. That certainly implies he was walked 200 times…. That’s like if I said someone hit 50 long ones, and then argued that I never said “home runs”, just “long ones”. Semantics.

  70. Joey Doughnuts 4 years ago

    Bautista didn’t play 100% of the games in a season, therefore he is never healthy.

    /yourlogic

  71. Bluejaysnation 4 years ago

    You are absolutely correct!!

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