A’s Notes: Taylor, Gomes, Damon, Outman, Moscoso

On this date in 1986, the Mets and Twins completed a five-player trade involving former first rounder Billy Beane. Now the Athletics’ GM, Beane completed a trade today, obtaining Seth Smith from Colorado for Guillermo Moscoso and Josh Outman. Here are the latest Athletics-related links… 

  • Beane says the Athletics are still looking for right-handed hitting outfielder depth, Joe Stiglich of the Bay Area News Group tweets. Michael Taylor will have to play his way into the picture, according to Stiglich.
  • John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle hears that the A's are pursuing a Jonny Gomes/Ryan Ludwick type for depth. The A's haven't ruled out Johnny Damon, Shea tweets.
  • Outman told Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle that the trade was "bittersweet," but that he's "not mad by any means," Pitching so far above sea level will be an adjustment for the fly ball pitcher, however.
  • Moscoso told Slusser that he's "in shock," although he's looking forward to the opportunity in Colorado.


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69 Comments on "A’s Notes: Taylor, Gomes, Damon, Outman, Moscoso"


Garret Strachota
3 years 7 months ago

can a a’s fan explain what there doing here, i thought they were cutting pay role by trading gio and then then they get guys like smith and colon who should be gone long before they move to san jose

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

With Billy Beane actions are more important than words. Watch what he does rather than what he says. This is where some A’s fans get confused.

Just because Beane said the incredibly obviuos—his team in no way compete with the Angels and Texas, does NOT mean he’s going to roll over and deliberately turn the A’s into a 50-win team for the next three seasons.

All of his trades makes sense (unlike some of the past rades like Hudson and Gonzalez) in the short, medium and long-term.

It’s confusing for a few fans as we see by the Carter, Taylor and Barton comments. Reddick, Smith, Crisp and Cowgill are the medium-term (three years, two in Crisp’s case) outfield. Parker, Peacock and Milone will pitch again in the major leagues before 2014. All are major league ready and none will be blocked by “arby clock” nonsense. Take it to the bank.;)

3 years 7 months ago

Right handed outfield/DH depth… Manny’s looking for a job!

letsgogiants
3 years 7 months ago

I’m surprised they’re still looking for outfield depth. In the outfield, they already have Crisp, Smith, Reddick, Cowgill, and Taylor. I guess they want someone to platoon with Smith in left given that Smith doesn’t hit lefties very well. In that sense, both Ludwick and Gomes would make sense. However, Damon does not unless they were to play him at DH, which with Carter and Allen in the fold, is unlikely. 

Phuong
3 years 7 months ago

I’m glad the A’s picked up someone that can hit the ball out of the park. Moscoso had a fluke year last year, he has a above average fastball and no quality 2ndry pitch. Josh has a lot of upside, sad to see him go after he worked so hard to come back from Timmy John. Peacock, milone, and Parker with Ross, Braden, Colin, McCarthy, Godfrey. Still a ton of options to start!

sportsfan07
3 years 7 months ago

 Who did Beane pick up that can hit the ball out of the ball park this offseason?

bigpat
3 years 7 months ago

Gomes and Ludwick are no better than the prospects they’d use as backup/platoon OF’s anways, what’s the point? They should bring back Rich Harden and let him close, I think that would be exciting. 

Oakland_Carl
Oakland_Carl
3 years 7 months ago

Totally agree. Maybe even give him the option to start. Always liked Harden.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

agree, except replace harden with francis

melonis_rex
3 years 7 months ago

Harden’s got more upside. Go with Harden. 

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

Francis has the better chance of being healthy at the trade deadline though

Derek Florko
3 years 7 months ago

A guy with notorious arm problems pitching at max effort on back to back days does not seem like the greatest idea to me

OaklandFan22
3 years 7 months ago

how bout a third baseman beane ever though about that?

melonis_rex
3 years 7 months ago

Scott Sizemore was just fine last year. 

3 years 7 months ago

from what beane says he likes smith becuse he is in his prime,cheap, and under control for 3 years i think he keeps crisp and smith until the trade deadline next year at lest i think we need a dh still chris carter has the speed of 12 dead turtles and is not that good hes had a few chances and dose nothing with them until he proves me wrong thats what im going with

Oakland_Carl
Oakland_Carl
3 years 7 months ago

I would be happy bringing Matsui back. That guy did his job. Esp 2nd half.

3 years 7 months ago

yea i would not mind him but the yankees might be getting him this might turn out to be a descent team you never know

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

no no and no to matsui, can get the same production out of a rotation of carter, ka’aiahue, and allen

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Beane has now acquired three outfielders in three separate trades as well as re-signed FA Coco Crisp. He’s done a decent job, IMO, rebuilding the outfield and is not done yet. It’s also a clear signal that Michael Taylor is not in the plans this year. With Chrisp, Reddick, Smith and Cowgill under team control for at least the next two years, Billy isn’t going to rush Michael Choice or Grant Green, either. I expect Choice up no earlier than June of 2013.  

3 years 7 months ago

Time to sign Jeff Francis to a 1 year deal.  It would give the A’s enough pitching to get through the year so a trade or 2 at trade deadline will be possible.

TheGrtBambino
3 years 7 months ago

Ludwick off the market thankfully

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Anybody have any thoughts on Damon returning to Oakland as a DH this year?

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

Do not want…..or need…..at all

billy beane should avoid hitters like him, gomes, ross, etc. Coco crisp should be our one and only major league free agent outfielder, now beane should focus on Soler and one of francis (to a 2 year contract), oswalt (to a 1 year contract), and someone else like them who will be a) healthy and b) helped enough by the colliseum enough that he would be traded at the deadline for a decent prospect

3 years 7 months ago

I’d take Juan Pierre at DH over Damon

3 years 7 months ago

it would be better then that slug chris carter

knowidyuh
3 years 7 months ago

Great trade Beane. Giving the Rockies Carlos Gonzalez will guarantee Beane will always have a trade partner moving forward, one he can completely dominate because he didn’t like C-Gone.

99% of baseball people underestimate how great of a pitcher’s park Oakland is. Beane knows he will be in a new park in 2/3/4 years, so getting rid of useless pitchers who’s stats and potential are gigantically inflated because of the A’s stadium and defense is huge. Beane knows his window of selling off these average pitchers is short. How sexy will Balfour look at the break with 17 saves? How sexy will McCarthy look with ace stats?

No A’s pitcher with MLB experience is safe.  They will all be gone in the next two years, and Beane will likely give worthless pitchers like Moscoso/Colon the 4th and 5th spots in the rotation to gain trade value, while keeping extra years of control with the prospects.

By the way, Seth Smith can hit, and many teams are interested in him.  That’s value, while giving up nothing.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Agree. I like this trade a lot and look forward to the new outfield. Billy’s done an excellent job this off-season 

knowidyuh
3 years 7 months ago

Great trade Beane. Giving the Rockies Carlos Gonzalez will guarantee Beane will always have a trade partner moving forward, one he can completely dominate because he didn’t like C-Gone.

99% of baseball people underestimate how great of a pitcher’s park Oakland is. Beane knows he will be in a new park in 2/3/4 years, so getting rid of useless pitchers who’s stats and potential are gigantically inflated because of the A’s stadium and defense is huge. Beane knows his window of selling off these average pitchers is short. How sexy will Balfour look at the break with 17 saves? How sexy will McCarthy look with ace stats?

No A’s pitcher with MLB experience is safe.  They will all be gone in the next two years, and Beane will likely give worthless pitchers like Moscoso/Colon the 4th and 5th spots in the rotation to gain trade value, while keeping extra years of control with the prospects.

By the way, Seth Smith can hit, and many teams are interested in him.  That’s value, while giving up nothing.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Carter’s had two chances and flopped both times. I wouldn’t give him 600 PA’s in Oakland unless he earned it. Nobody should get handed anything.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

All signs? Please specify. Smith is cheap and controllable for three more seasons. It makes no sense to trade either one.

J.j. Miller
3 years 7 months ago

says who?

beane loves crisp.
smith 3 yrs under control. its pretty obvious they dont seem ready for taylor as an everyday player. more than likely he’s being skipped over if and when a green or choice are ready

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

i could easily see crisp being sent to a contender, and colon, not sure about smith though, unless someone pays a pence-like ransom

EDIT: maybe not a pence-like ransom, but if someone overpays with a couple B prospects

3 years 7 months ago

Carter hasn’t been given consistent at bats in his time up. They need to stick him in the lineup and see what he can do over long stretch. He doesn’t have anything left to prove in AAA. He’s a notoriously slow starter every time he moves up levels.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Sorry, but Carter can’t hit major league pitching. And, the first chance was pretty long—remember the 0-33? He’s also incredibly bad in the field. You and Pete are talking up-to a season at DH to prove himself? Won’t happen. Same with Taylor.

I think Beane has moved on and rightly so. Derek Barton is another player in his mid-20’s who has disappointed. 

Wouldn’t be surprised if BB signed a Johnny Damon or Ludwick to DH, though.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Colon, probably not. But, why would you say that about Crisp and especially Smith? And, again with the “arbitration clock” meme.

They aren’t holding any OF’er back this year. Taylor isn’t good enough and he’s 26. That’s not “holding back.” Carter isn’t and never will be an outfielder.

If you mean Choice and green—they are very young and still working their way up through the system, especially Choice. I expect Choice by mid-late 2013-his natural progression.  

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Yea, I’d hate to be traded from a bad team in need of a stadium in a minor league city, to a sparkling stadium in the Mile High city. (See Gonzalez, Carlos)

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

or from a pitching standpoint (which gonzalez, carlos is not going from) going from a cavernous pitchers park which hides your inefficiencies (being a flyball pitcher) to a very hitter friendly park

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

If we could get a package with a couple B, near ready prospects for smith, why not? someone’s going to need outfield help during the season, and maybe that someone would be desperate enough to overpay for smith

TheGrtBambino
3 years 7 months ago

Crisp is being brought bak for the veteran leadership, in my opinion, and by selling away every player they need a man in there that can show a presence. It would be as if a team graduating the entire senior class and having no junior class. There would be no player to have that veteran presence. Crisp has been good overall for the A’s anyways

melonis_rex
3 years 7 months ago

Less than 150 ABs is NOT nearly long enough to decide on Carter. Even the best MLB players go on 100+ PA slumps at times. 

And: Barton put up a 5 WAR season and then got hurt in 2011. He should have every shot to win the 1B job in 2012. 

TheGrtBambino
3 years 7 months ago

33 AB’s is not a sample size that warrants a sign off. And last time a check DH doesn’t have to play in the field. One more thing jus for a reference it’s Daric. Jus for the info portion of the convo

melonis_rex
3 years 7 months ago

Aand, when hitting arbitration next year, potentially. 

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

If beane can nab someone like Nolan Fontana in this year’s draft, he would slot in as our “ss of the future”

also, i’d like to wait to see how Head and Vollmuth perform at 3b and see if Cabrera can stick at short and how jamieson performs next year, they all could be decent options

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Sizemore is fine and Penny will hang for another year or so. The immediate need is 1B. The A’s have nothing but AAAA players there. They also need a DH.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

seeing as how he’d be under control for 2 and a half years, he’ll bring in a decent ransom from someone who’s desperate for an outfielder mid-season

Disgustedfan
3 years 7 months ago

Easy with wanting to trade everybody. Are you billy beane with the username pete. It seems like that sometimes.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Why would Beane trade for Smith if was going to be gone before the season begins? Do you have to info. on a flip to another team?

So what if he can’t hit lefties? You platoon him w/the right handed hitting Cowgill.   

Help me understand inserting Green by August in conjunction with your concern for delaying arby clocks for other youngsters.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

when you’re in a rebuild mode, you want to trade guys like smith and crisp for pieces that’ll help within 2 or 3 years, not trade FOR guys like smith and crisp (and yes i know crisp was a signing, but you get the point)

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

when you’re in a rebuild mode, you want to trade guys like smith and crisp for pieces that’ll help within 2 or 3 years, not trade FOR guys like smith and crisp (and yes i know crisp was a signing, but you get the point)

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

Francis could pull off a Moscoso type year in the cavernseum

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

Francis could pull off a Moscoso type year in the cavernseum

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

As does insisting every decision is based on “arbition clocks” as you assert.

W/R to Carter, his total is then is 13-71, avoiding both of our cherry-picked stats.

If you want to really get rid of the “crap from the bad years” as you assert, then “players” like Barton, Taylor and yes, the sainted Chris Carter have to go as well, and not just useful players like Suzuki you don’t like. 

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Barton has always been overrated because of his high walk rate in Oakland. Pitchers had already figured this out by 2011 when Barton and the A’s had some confusion over Derek’s injury.

He trolls for walks and plays a decent first base. Not good enough for that position. Allen will be every chance to win the job and I wouldn’t be surprised if Barton started the season in AAA with Taylor and Carter.

As Pete said, it’s time to move on from the failed players from the last rebuild.

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

Why would you sign a “placeholder” to an expensive two year contract with an option for a third season?

Remember, Beane didn’t trade ANY of his outfielders last season, long after the A’s fell out of contention. Don’t see him doing it this year either.

And, it’s far from certain that Grant Green will be the CF of the future.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

if anything, kurt suzuki IS our “veteran presence” , and i agree, i hope he puts up good enough numbers to be traded midseason

TheGrtBambino
3 years 7 months ago

How are you going to say that this team doesn’t need a leadership role? Every single teams needs that player thats been there done that and helps the younger guys out. If we throw all young guys out there then it will be a mess so there has to be some sort of leadership as a player. Not to mention he is a local boy and the fans do have to have somebody they recognize on the roster to come see. It would be kind of sad for the attendance to diminish even more because nobody is noticeable on the roster.

TheGrtBambino
3 years 7 months ago

How are you going to say that this team doesn’t need a leadership role? Every single teams needs that player thats been there done that and helps the younger guys out. If we throw all young guys out there then it will be a mess so there has to be some sort of leadership as a player. Not to mention he is a local boy and the fans do have to have somebody they recognize on the roster to come see. It would be kind of sad for the attendance to diminish even more because nobody is noticeable on the roster.

sportsfan07
3 years 7 months ago

 But every decision is made with arbitration clocks in mind. The A’s know they aren’t going to compete for the next 3-4 years until the Angels and Rangers start to age and their own young players have been given sufficient time in the majors to show what they can do. But why would they give up a year of arbitration and control just to bring them up sooner. It’s 2 months they’re going to miss. It’s worth it for an extra year of control as well as pushing back their arbitration clocks.

Jim McGrath
3 years 7 months ago

Youkillis could be a good fill in at first—his best position and a fav of Beane. If he plays well the first half he would be nice trade bait in July.
The Sox need a #5 starter—perhaps Mc?

Thomas Wilson
3 years 7 months ago

When rebuilding you still have to put an MLB team on the field every week, Smith is not a ten 5 LF in MLB but he is certainly top 15-20. If you can add a guy with career .275/.348/.485 line for a couple of back of the rotation starters you should do it.  For what it is worth the Nats are paying 126 mil to a guy with a career .260/.360/.464 triple slash hell even Frenchy is getting 13.5 over the next two years with his career .270/.313/.433 line. Smith isn’t an all star but he did have 56 XBH in 476 AB last year.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

agreed about those points, only difference is francouer and werth hit against both righties and lefties, so far smith has gotten like, 90% of his at bats against righties, which he dominates

Thomas Wilson
3 years 7 months ago

Sure Francouer faces both but he shouldn’t he has a career .299/.346/.493 against LHP and and a career .260/.300/.410 against RHP just because nobody is smart enought to platoon him, doesn’t mean he isn’t a platoon guy.  

Thomas Wilson
3 years 7 months ago

Also Smith had 533 PA last year which was 42nd among all MLB OF his 115 wRC+ was 24th among all MLB OF his wOBA was 17th among all MLB OF if you can get a everyday OF for spare parts you do it.

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

The problem i see is, i don’t think the a’s will be platooning smith too much

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

C’mon Pete. Defense is important but it isn’t everything. I realize Barton has a lot of fans in Oakland, but he’s just not THAT good. He’s not Mark Grace.

As for Oakland being about pitching and defense, that’s only in their current stadium and bceause of payroll constraints. It’s not historically true if you go back to Reggie jackson, Rudi, and the bash brothers.

The A’s will never win until they are allowed to move to San jose and build a more balanced team.

Derek Florko
3 years 7 months ago

in 2010 Barton saved 20 Defensive runs and walked  110 times.  Plus Bill James called him the most underrated Player in Baseball   

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not trolling. I’ve been an A’s fan since the late 1960’s. Read what I said about the difference between Bean’s words and his actions.

You have very definite and strong opinions. Am I not allowed an alternate viewpoint? 

Iconoclast17
3 years 7 months ago

This may surprise you, but not all A’s fans agree with you or cave to bullying tactics.

Now, RE: Barton. I may indeed be clueless, but if the A’s were sold on Barton, why would they have at least three other players on the 40-man roster competing at 1B this year—Allen, Carter and Ka’ahlue? That doesn’t sound like the A’s are ready to move forward with DB.  

Thomas Wilson
3 years 7 months ago

If that is the case you had better hope he returns to MiLB/2009 form against LHP