Barry Larkin Elected To Hall Of Fame

Shortstop Barry Larkin was elected to baseball's Hall of Fame today with 86% of the vote, announced the Baseball Writers Association of America.  Larkin is the lone inductee of 2012.

Larkin played his entire 19-season career with the Reds, with a .295/.371/.444 line and 198 home runs across 9,057 plate appearances.  He won the NL MVP in 1995, made a dozen All-Star appearances, and won three Gold Gloves.  FanGraphs pegs his career Wins Above Replacement at 70.6.


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199 Comments on "Barry Larkin Elected To Hall Of Fame"


MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Congrats Barry. Well earned.

Makes me wonder if another man named Barry will be in it next year.

East Coast Bias
3 years 7 months ago

Word! Congrats Barry!

Probably feels sweet to get in after not getting in prior years, and to do so in a year where he is the only one going.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

Bonds is pretty much the poster child of the steroid era. The odds of him ever getting in are slim to none, but even if he gets in, it’ll take a few years of arguments and a couple other alleged steroid users getting in.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

I agree, I don’t see Bonds making it first ballot.

VivaJackMurphy
3 years 7 months ago

If Bonds does not make it on the first ballot, then what is the purpose of having a Hall of Fame?

3 years 7 months ago

To honor the non-cheaters. 

VivaJackMurphy
3 years 7 months ago

They’re going to have to take out a whole bunch of plaques then. 

jb226
3 years 7 months ago

Perhaps, but you can’t change that.  You do the best job you can moving forward and hope it is better than you did in the past.

Cam Hodgson-Dwyer
3 years 7 months ago

Sounds like a statement from the BBWAA, re: Braun.

Paul Shailor
3 years 7 months ago

Even before he was accused of using steroids he was the first player ever in the 400/400 club. Put him in.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

He may make it in eventually, but the whole scandal coupled with the fact he probably wouldn’t have broken the HR record (Either of them) without them as well as his attitude throughout the whole thing will be enough to keep him out at least for a few years.

My guess is he’ll probably make it in toward the tail end of his eligibility. Basically once we get to the point where the Hall starts accepting other guys linked with steroids. Honestly, I think there’s decent odds A-Rod will make it in ahead of him and that may also serve as the tipping point for his candidacy.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

bonds deserves it, regardless of whether or not he cheated he hit over 750 hr, that takes some real talent.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

His home run record is about his worst argument for candidacy. One can make the argument that he was worthy of the Hall prior to his steroid years, but it’s pretty safe to say that he wouldn’t have sniffed the all time or single season records without steroids.

If he gets in, it’ll be on the merits of his career prior to the point where he was blatantly on steroids (Most believe, based on testimony from his trainer, that he started after 1998).

3 years 7 months ago

Can we not talk about Bonds? This is Barry Larkin’s day!!!

go_jays_go
3 years 7 months ago

Does anyone notice the striking similarities between Alomar’s and Larkin’s careers?

Slash Line:

Larkin: .295/.371/.444  –> 9 silver sluggers

Alomar: .300/.371/.443  –> 4 silver sluggers

Stolen Bases:

Larkin: SB 379, CS 77 –> 83%

Alomar: SB 474, CS 114 –> 80%

Defense:

Alomar was the best 2B in his generation  –> 10 gold gloves

Larkin was only an above average SS  –> 3 gold gloves

Personal Allocates:

Both have won a World Series Champion at least once.

Both have won multiple silver sluggers and gold gloves.

Both have been elected to multiple All Star games.

Larkin has one MVP award, whereas Alomar has none.

Games played:

Larkin: 19 years, 2180 games played

Alomar: 17 years, 2379 games played

Conclusion:

Alomar was probably more valuable simply because of the difference in
the games throughout their respective careers. But overall, I think it
is
appropriate to induct Larkin into the HoF, one year after Alomar.

not_brooks
3 years 7 months ago

My conclusion is that Larkin and Alomar are, in fact, the same person.

PS – I think you meant “Personal Accolades”

Van Wilhoite
3 years 7 months ago

Larkin got screwed out of 2 gold gloves because Ozzie was still playing and NOT because Ozzie was better defensively at the time.

BeisbolJunkie
3 years 7 months ago

Barry Lamar Bonds is not eligible because he has NOT retired yet people!!

3 years 7 months ago

Well deserved. Great player.

gradylittle
3 years 7 months ago

He was just a great ball player and I am real glad he got in, well deserved. 

Beatofficer
3 years 7 months ago

Well deserved, Barry Larkin was amazing to watch when I was a child.

Fixed it for you Kevin.

Kevin Michell
3 years 7 months ago

I’ve heard that 5 year-old Barry was amazing, too. Too bad he really went downhill around age 9…

All grammar-based joking aside, hell yeah, way to go Barry!

Snoochies8
3 years 7 months ago

congrats larkin!

FillyPhan
3 years 7 months ago

Well Deserved!

3 years 7 months ago

 It’s BS.  Check the stats for Bagwell, McGriff, Martinez, and a few others who got squat. Their numbers are much better than Larkin’s.

slasher016
3 years 7 months ago

None of those people played shortstop.  Across the board he’s considered a top ten shortstop of all-time.  

3 years 7 months ago

 I don’t give a crap what position he played. His numbers were much less. Are we picking by position or by numbers?

slasher016
3 years 7 months ago

So you’re saying only 1B/OF should be in the HOF then?

sonofsnake
3 years 7 months ago

Both

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

Apparently the voters don’t give a crap what you think either.  Guess who wins in this one?

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

classic WEEI comment

Jason_F
3 years 7 months ago

Obviously, shortstops are held to a different offensive standard than first basemen.  Do you even watch baseball?

$1529282
3 years 7 months ago

Position is a MAJOR factor in the voting process. That he put up the numbers he did playing a premium defensive position is incredible.

Put Edgar at shortstop and see how many of the runs he creates with his bat are given back on defense. Baseball is a multi-dimensional game, and players are rewarded for strong offense at premium positions on the diamond.

If you don’t get that, you’re either incredibly dense, new to the game, or both.

not_brooks
3 years 7 months ago

His numbers were much less what…?

Hal_Jordan77
3 years 7 months ago

No, but Bagwell is the 3rd best 1B of all-time(after Gehrig and Pujols). 

But I’m not saying Larkin didn’t deserve to get in.  He should have got in last year.

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

Jimmie Foxx does not endorse this post.

MikhelB
3 years 7 months ago

ts ts ts… the best defensive 1B didn’t get in the HOF, Donnie Mattingly played a superb defense way better than Garvey and Keith H., but being the best at his position didn’t guarantee him the selection.

Running Scared
3 years 7 months ago

OK Ill go one better. Alan Tramell. Arguably Better off and def. Why so long to make it in? 

NYBravosFan10
3 years 7 months ago

Congrats Barry Larkin, it’s nice to see him finally come out from the shadows of Jeter, A-Rod, Ripken and Garciaparra

Lanidrac
3 years 7 months ago

You forgot Ozzie Smith.

3 years 7 months ago

coolio!

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

BBWAA dot com has the whole ballot.

Javy Lopez and Eric Young got votes, Brad Radke got 2 votes.

Juan Gone is officially Gone after his 2nd year on the ballot only getting 4% of votes

tdot32
3 years 7 months ago

seriously, who voted for bill mueller? what is there to gain in voting for bill mueller?

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Peter Gammons?

3 years 7 months ago

I know Pedro Gomez did…

BobbyJohn
3 years 7 months ago

Well-deserved for Larkin. Truly a class act and great player.

How these writers cannot vote for Bagwell is still beyond me.

TophersReds
3 years 7 months ago

Well deserved and slighly underrated from the rest of the league. Congrats Barry.

3 years 7 months ago

Poor Phil Nevin. Didn’t get a single vote.

If its any consolation, he’s in my Baseball Mogul 2009 Hall of Fame.

Congrats to Barry Larkin

BobbyJohn
3 years 7 months ago

Jack Morris up to 66.7%. That’s pretty much lock-for-election territory there. I don’t get that at all. Morris, to me, is the pitching version of Bernie Williams. Almost, but not quite.

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

Competition will be even harder in the upcoming years, Pedro, Schilling, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Mussina.

Some of these are for sure HOFers, some are borderline. Might get hard for Morris to get it. I think all those players I listed were better than Morris.

j6takish
3 years 7 months ago

He is going to get in almost exclusively based on  Game 7 in 1991

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 7 months ago

That’s the problem. It’s a single game. In Morris’s time he was never a great pitcher, he was a good pitcher who had a couple of great moments, nothing else.

$1529282
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed wholeheartedly, but a large portion of the BBWAA consists of older guys who vote based on narrative rather than fact. It’s a sad truth.

Jack Morris was a good pitcher whose career was highlighted by All-Star appearances, Opening Day starts, and the fortune of being on a lot of good teams.

The lack of correlation between those things and his actual performance will be overlooked in lieu of the fact that he provided historic moments in an otherwise pedestrian career. His 3.90 ERA will be the worst in the entire Hall of Fame when he gets in, but people will rejoice as if it’s a deserved honor.

I love Jack Morris. I’m a Twins fan whose happiest sports memory is the 1991 World Series. The only thing close to Morris’ Game 7 dominance, in terms of sentimental value for me, is Puckett’s walk-off in Game 6. Still, even I can admit that while Morris is one of my all-time favorites… he’s not one of the all-time greats.

Chris_RG
3 years 7 months ago

Actually a more apt comparison would be Kirk Gibson. Both were good, but not great, but had one HUGE defining postseason moment and won some WS. The difference: Gibson didn’t even sniff the HOF, let alone make it past the first ballot. 

I have yet to hear an intelligent argument for Morris’s inclusion. Mostly intangible crap like “he pitched to the score” and was a “big game pitcher”.

j6takish
3 years 7 months ago

Hopefully this opens the door for Trammell

cardinalmike
3 years 7 months ago

Pete, the writers “right” as you call it is the way the system is set up.  Anyone who has been a member of the BBWAA for ten years gets a vote.  The BBWAA provides broad criteria, including character, and the writers cast their votes.  If you don’t like the way the writers vote, work to change the system or, perhaps, yell at a writer.

By the way, Edgar Martinez doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame.

Raines definitely belongs and I am ambivalent about Bagwell.

Disgustedfan
3 years 7 months ago

Even though I know Bonds took steroids I think he should get in the hall. He started taking roids in 1999 because that is when he grew into a middle linebacker. Prior to that he had won 3 mvps 8 gold gloves  and 7 silver sluggers. He had 400+ homeruns and 400+ steals prior to 1999. Had over a 400 obp. Even if you take away his 4 mvps and 300 homeruns he hit on steriods he is still a hof. This guy had talent unlike Sosa Bagwell Mgwire Palmero who were good only because of steriods in my opinion.

Chris1G
3 years 7 months ago

That’s the problem though, Bonds would probably have been a HOFer if he wouldnt have taken steroids.  Now with everything that came out about it nobody wants to even look at those guys.  If Bonds doesnt get in he really has nobody to blame but himself, he would have been in more than likely without steroids. 

3 years 7 months ago

I fail to remember when  Bonds failed a drug test.  Conjecture, assumptions and hyperbole does not and should not preclude a person from the hall of fame.  A jury found him guilty of obstruction of justic and nothing else.  He should make the HOF without question.

Red_Line_9
3 years 7 months ago

I believe he failed 3 of them during the MLB’s “random” testing……but he’s a hall of famer anyway in my book.

Lanidrac
3 years 7 months ago

It doesn’t matter. Most of the HoF voters that aren’t voting for these guys are using the character criteria to justify their lack of votes, not questioning their playing abilities if they hadn’t taking steroids.

Besides, you may have a point with Sosa, but McGwire was already a big star before he first took steroids, and judging from how far he hit those balls and his career total of 583, he would’ve still hit 500+ HRs without steroids. He was also an excellent defender, an elite on-base threat, and his career batting average is misleading due to a couple of horrible outliers (including his injury plagued final season).

As for Palmeiro, he’s probably the most underrated player with 3000+ hits in baseball history. Even before his failed test, he was extremely underrated and somehow snuck up to that huge milestone with little fanfare. His connection to steroids then seals the deal.

Chris1G
3 years 7 months ago

Anyone know how Mattingly did?  In my opinion he should be in his numbers werent bad, the guy was a vaccum at first base, and was probably one of the best if not the best 1st basemen in the 80’s

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 7 months ago

He’s up to 17.8%

Chris1G
3 years 7 months ago

Damn, i thought he had a higher percentage last year, i could be wrong though, kinda sucks he probably wont get in. Donnie Baseball was my favorite player growing up as a kid.

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start_wearing_purple
3 years 7 months ago

At this point Mattingly should only get in as a manager if he does something for the Dodgers. The fact is he was a dominate hitter for only a couple of years. The last two thirds of his career were more or less slightly above average compared to other hitters of the time.

Chris1G
3 years 7 months ago

I was just saying he has something like 9 Gold Gloves an MVP and was a .307 or .309 career hitter had over 2000 hits, and a 6 or 7 time AS, pretty good numbers in my opinion.  I know i may be bias because he was my favorite player growing up I just think he should be in.  That’s just my opinion

Red_Line_9
3 years 7 months ago

I’m not sure that the Hall of Fame should be based on offensive stat production alone.  Clearly, Ozzie Smith isn’t a Hall of Famer on offensive merit…but if you mention one breaths worth of great all time shortstops…Ozzie is there.

Lanidrac
3 years 7 months ago

Yes, but do you really consider Mattingly to be one of the best defensive 1B of all time (not to mention that SS is a MUCH tougher defensive position than 1B)?

Red_Line_9
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t feel that Mattingly is a Hall of Famer.  I’m actually making about the same as you are.  Defense should definitely play into the case as far as middle infield Hall of Famers go.  But offensive contribution should probably be a larger component…..or you’d be littering the Hall with the Rey Ordonez types.

Omar Vizquel is an interesting case coming up in a few years.

Chris1G
3 years 7 months ago

How is Mattingly not one of the best fielding 1st basemen of all time?  His fielding percentage is like .998 and he has 9 gold gloves, in the 80’s nobody was better, i think he has one of the best gloves for a first basemen ever.

MetsMagic
3 years 7 months ago

Keith

3 years 7 months ago

Jack Morris and Fred McGriff need to be in!

Disgustedfan
3 years 7 months ago

Those guys are all time goods not Hall of famers

3 years 7 months ago

I disagree.  if McGriff was on a big market team, he would be considered one of the greatest.  he was one of the top first baseman in the 80s/90s.  He’s always been overlooked.  Morris had a great career and he was an incredible big game pitcher.  I think they both deserve to be in.  For their era, they were some of the best

$2902172
3 years 7 months ago

So Tim Raines isn’t in because he’s a cokehead, but Morris is in for being a “big game pitcher” and McGriff is in based on something that didn’t happen.

Good to know. Please get off the internet.

3 years 7 months ago

go take a nap little boy.  McGriff should be in, where were you in the 80s/90s?  Both players were some of the best for their era and that should go along ways.  McGriff and Morris were in the runnings for MVPs and Cy Youngs for many years.  Raines never was.  He was good but not dominant in his era.  Maybe Vince Coleman can get in too?

MB923
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t know of anyone that ever called Arnold a little boy!

3 years 7 months ago

Lou Ferrigino did…

nahtahn02
3 years 7 months ago

Please look at Tim Raines’ stats from 1981-1987. Thank you.

$2902172
3 years 7 months ago

McGriff wasn’t better than the DH and two other first basemen on this ballot.

Morris would easily become one of the worst pitchers in the Hall if elected. If you have a pulse, you’d know this. I don’t care about his opening day starts as an ace, his 10 inning complete game as an ace. They’re irrelevant when you’re statistically inferior to your peers as Morris is. You’d know this if you had a pulse.

3 years 7 months ago

name a better 1B than McGriff in the 80s/90s (that wasn’t juiced).  Grace, Clark, Hal Morris?  Nope.  Same with Morris.  Take a look space cadet!

MetsMagic
3 years 7 months ago

Who was a better 1b? Frank Thomas and Jeff Bagwell, by leaps and bounds. 

I loved Crime Dog, and that nickname alone and the fact that he could conceivably wear a Devil Rays cap almost makes him worth it, but not quite. 

Lanidrac
3 years 7 months ago

Bagwell

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 7 months ago

Mike Piazza will be eligible next year! He better make it first ballot!