Orioles Eyeing Jackson; Damon Unlikely

The Orioles are a long shot to sign Edwin Jackson, but they’d love to have him and would consider offering a four-year deal, Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports. The Orioles’ chances of signing the free agent right-hander will likely come down to money, Connolly notes.

Johnny Damon is also an unlikely fit in Baltimore. The Orioles aren’t motivated to sign him, especially after adding another designated hitter option in Wilson Betemit. We can basically cross Damon off of Baltimore’s list for now, Connolly explains. Damon and Jackson are both Scott Boras clients.

The Red Sox appear to have offered Jackson a contract. No unsigned pitcher completed as many 2011 innings as Jackson (199 2/3 regular season innings plus 17 2/3 in the playoffs), and the 28-year-old is probably the top free agent remaining.


37 Responses to Orioles Eyeing Jackson; Damon Unlikely Leave a Reply

  1. Chris Barrows 4 years ago

    The more and more the off-season goes on, the more likely I’m finding it Damon or Matsui return to NY for a cheap one year deal. 

  2. PWNdroia 4 years ago

    Wilson betemit as DH?  Really?  I know it’s the Orioles, but seriously.

    • Jack 4 years ago

      Look at his number versus righties

    • Jack 4 years ago

      When they first announced it, I scratched my head. Now I have time to think about it’s a really good mood. the guys remaining as DH have all been stars, and what the Orioles needed they didn’t fit as well. They would chaf at the role the Orioles will ask of Betemit as that his starts will almost always against righties, or he will come in as pinch-hitter against rightie relievers. He is use to being a part time player, so getting 8-10 PAs aweek wont bother him. 263PAs vs RHers last year: .303.365.500.865

    • Lookouts400 4 years ago

      Betemit won’t be the full time DH, that’s already been established.  Showalter likes a revolving door at that spot, so you’ll see Betemit in there one day, Davis another, Reynolds, Reimold, Wieters, maybe even Markakis and Hardy at times.   It wouldn’t even surprise me if Jones gets a shot once or twice.  When one of the corner guys is DHing, Betemit takes their spot in the field. 

      That’s what Duquette has been trying to do, building depth and getting players who can play multiple positions.   

    • Lookouts400 4 years ago

      Betemit won’t be the full time DH, that’s already been established.  Showalter likes a revolving door at that spot, so you’ll see Betemit in there one day, Davis another, Reynolds, Reimold, Wieters, maybe even Markakis and Hardy at times.   It wouldn’t even surprise me if Jones gets a shot once or twice.  When one of the corner guys is DHing, Betemit takes their spot in the field. 

      That’s what Duquette has been trying to do, building depth and getting players who can play multiple positions.   

  3. Mike1L 4 years ago

    Damon may not want to come back to the Yankees-barring an injury, he’s not going to get that many at bats, with Jones, and the older players rotating through the DH spot.  Damon is a proud guy-he wants the shot at 3000 hits, and he’s going to need about 1000 plate appearances to get there.  He can’t afford to burn a year.

  4. As an Oriole Fan, I would rather suffer a form of “Chinese Water Torture” before I would deal with Boras or “ANY” of his remaining free agent clients! This rumor of Edwin Jackson coming to “Charm City” is just another example of how desperate the organization truly is!

    • mike melusky 4 years ago

      Edwin Jackson at 8M a year would be a steal, if DD and the O’s FO could pull it off…

      • It would be a steal for sure – Boras and Jackson would be stealing money from the O’s.

    • slider32 4 years ago

      Jackson will be over paid like all free agents. I’m a little surprised at the action he is getting. Boras knew that when the Sox got in the bidding the price would go up.

    • Lookouts400 4 years ago

      You realize of course that the Orioles already have Boras players on their roster, such important ones as the catcher and the number one prospect?  You’re gonna have to deal with Boras whether you like it or not.

    • Lookouts400 4 years ago

      You realize of course that the Orioles already have Boras players on their roster, such important ones as the catcher and the number one prospect?  You’re gonna have to deal with Boras whether you like it or not.

  5. UnbaisedSoxFan 4 years ago

    Jackson would be a good fit on the O’s but I think you will find him somewhere in the NL next year if he signs a 1 year deal, simply because he can boost up his stock a lot more for next season. Signing a 1 year deal in the AL East isn’t really going to help him. Now if they plan on offering him a multi-year deal, then I would think he has to consider that as an option because of how little attention he has gotten thus far this offseason.

  6. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    Meh…  The concern I have about signing Jackson is more about his impact on how the rotation fills out, as opposed to how he will perform.  It will be nice to have a veteran innings guy with some upside, but the only way they are going to dig themselves out of the hole they’ve dug is if they start to develop their players.  Which means you have to play them.  If you sign Jackson, then you have 3 slots in the rotation filled by Guthrie, Jackson, and Chen.  Then you have the last 2 spots to be filled by some combination of Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Britton (all four were considered to be cornerstone players as recently as last year), Eveland, Wada, Jim Johnson (if they decide to put him in the rotation), Patton (who was a starter in the minors but never used in the rotation in the bigs, Bergeson, and Hunter.  We can argue about how high those players’ ceilings are (Bergeson, Hunter).  We can argue about how many chances they should get (Tillman, Matusz).  And we can argue about whether they are better suited to be relievers (Johnson).  But you have to actually put them in the rotation and let them play so that they can develop.  You could say that lot of the kids already had their chances last year, but how many times have pitchers come out of the minors and been great out of the chute?  Arrieta is 25, Britton is 24, Matusz is 24, Tillman is 23.  People around Baltimore act like all four have already flamed out.  But the fact remains they are still plenty young enough to fulfill their potential.  In my mind, they have to be given the chance without shuttling them back and forth between the minors and majors.  It’s nice to have depth and to have options.  But the O’s aren’t going to contend regardless of the veterans in the rotation.  To me most of the younger guys have higher potential than Jackson has (Matusz and Britton specifically).  So why risk interfering with their development by blocking potential rotation spots.  17 some odd years of losing sucks and breeds a desperate must win now mentality in the fans.  But that just win now mentality has not worked in the past.  Think of all the average to mediocre players we’ve signed in the last decade with the thought that maybe we would catch lightning in the bottle.  We’ve made limited progress in the majors.  Our minor leagues have improved, though still remain somewhat underwhelming.  A win now mentality will not fix all of the ills that are wrong.  We need to keep the long term, big picture in view otherwise we will continue to have the same results.   

  7. Chris Barrows 4 years ago

    That’s my point – he’s running out of options.

  8. Jack 4 years ago

    Hey the Cubs are the team of champions.

  9. slider32 4 years ago

    I don’t agree with that, if Damon gets 3000 hits he should be in, there are only what 27 players in baseball history to do that. To me 3000 hits and 500 homers are still good milestones for greatness. The problem is that with the writers not voting for possible steriods users it will be tough for anyone to get in. I played back in the 60’s when everyone was taking amphetamines which has been well docuemented. Everyone was taking them. I say, let them all in on their play on the field, half the HOFers for the last 50 years were taking something maybe more. Almost all of these players would have made the hall anyway.

  10. johnsilver 4 years ago

    For sure. If they are willing to give him say.. 4/32m.. he ought to jump right on that, as I can’t see anyone else willing to, even 3 years @7-8m per is probably more than anyone else would give him.

  11. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Man do I ever agree here. They will open the flood gates to mediocre hitters like Jim Rice, Andre Dawson etc.., but close it to good pitchers, like Jim Kaat and Lee Arthur Smith.

    No offense there to The Hawk and Rice, who I remember and know really dominated the game in their respective leagues for 3-5 year periods, but they were not OF players, unlike especially Smith who was a dominant closer for 15 years.

  12. MB923 4 years ago

    Same here. I’d even put Jorge Posada (who I also do not think is a HOFer) before Damon. Posada was arguably the 3rd best catcher (4th if Mauer stays there) of the last 10-15 years. Did anybody consider Damon one of the best OFer’s in this era?

    I know some of these are not all that telling, but usually the HOF looks at MVP’s, gold gloves, silver sluggers, all star appearances, batting titles, etc.

    Damon has a grand total of 2 all star appearances and has only been on 4 MVP ballots (never finished higher than 13th). That’s it. One time he led the league in runs and SB, and another year he led the league in triples.

  13. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    The way pitchers have gone in the past, 4/40 would be low.  

  14. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    You mean in general HOF balloting? Definitely.  In this offseason? No way. 

  15. Jack 4 years ago

    At least to me, his taking 2 bases in the 2009 WS was the pivitoal play od the series, and really helped the yankees.

  16. johnsilver 4 years ago

    Boras might be holding out a little bit to see what happens with Cain also before he signs anything LT. Jackson’s mediocre past won’t hold up well at all next year as compared to Cain, Hamels and remote possibility of Sanchez should he hit the market.

    He may be stuck with a low ball all multi year offer if Cain does not sign an extension fairly soon, cause it will be far worse next year than him just running Fielder up against Pujols, as Jackson is far worse than the 3 SP named above.

    IMO, even Boras realizes that and will drag Jackson’s negotiations out an awful long time, maybe even up until ST trying to get something L with him if Cain does not sign something soon.

    Oh.. I really don’t see Jackson as a 10m a year guy.. realize some do, but don’t think that is the holdup on his negotiations right nowwith teams. Boston the rumors are saying has an offer out and odds are it is far less.. probably a 1 year and far short of 10m, probably 7-8m and a thnking any multi year deal i for that AAV as well.. Of course cold be wrong for the millonth time :-)

  17. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    I know its ridiculous, but whenever any pitcher is a free agent all I can think over and over again is “Carlos Silva.”  In fact before I think it, I always take a swig of a drink and spit it out in disbelief, to relive the moment when that awful contract was given out in the first place.  

  18. MB923 4 years ago

    What exactly do you mean when you say in this offseason?

  19. MB923 4 years ago

    What exactly do you mean when you say in this offseason?

  20. MB923 4 years ago

    Sorry for double post, I got some kind of system error message after the 1st one.

  21. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    That is the thing I don’t think people understand.  To develop a player, you can’t jerk him back and forth between the big leagues and the minors.  You can’t put him on the bench either.  It very well could be that Tillman, Bell, etc. are busts.  But we don’t know because they haven’t been given a long enough chance to establish themselves.  100 ab’s or 10 games started are not enough to judge, especially if they are spread across mulitple seasons.  Nor can you judge a  prospect as a bust if they are under 25 years old.

    I would have been absolutely fine if they signed Fielder because I don’t think there is anyone in the minors playing first who can top his potential.  I think a downtrodden team can sign free agents as long as the free agents don’t block prospects that have more potential.  But last year with Lee, Vlad, and even Reynolds, they all blocked prospects that had been viewed as top prospects within our organization. 

    I’m happy with the moves DD has made so far.  No name free agent is going to sign here until the culture changes.  And we shouldn’t be in the market to trade prospects.  So DD brought in depth, ventured into international players, improved the bench, and he continues to focus on the minor leagues.  I’m fairly confident that DD is trying to sign a reliever or 2 to help in the pen.  Those kind of minor moves gives the team a better chance to win day to day, though are not the kind of moves that allow them to compete for a title.  The moves also keeps an eye for the future which should be the real goal. 

    I work 3 blocks from Camden Yards and the fans here are vicious.  I don’t blame the frustration they feel after all the years of losing, but as you said, they’ve even turned on their own football team after they have made the post season for 4 straight years.  In some ways, the fans in Baltimore have almost become as obnoxious and entitled as Yankee and Red Sox fans.

  22. Bleed_Orange 4 years ago

    I somewhat agree with what you and ken are saying.  But I dont think with all the signings we are really going to block anyone in the rotation even if Jackson signs here (and I’m not holding my breath for that).  Right now we have Guthrie, Chen, (Jackson?), and two spots open and my guess the three that would battle for those two spots are Wada, Arrietta, and Britton. 

    I think Hunter and Eveland go to the pen, where Hunter did well last year for Texas.  That means Tillman and Matusz start the year in tripple a.  But they wont be staying there because with all the signings that have been made Guthrie has become expendable and I think that as soon as a team calls with a reaspnable offer he will be shipped out.  And you will have Tillman and Matusz duking it out in Norfolk trying to make it back to the bigs.

  23. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    IF Matusz is in shape and recovered his velocity, it makes no sense to send him down.  Arrietta pitched well enough before his surgery to be given a chance (though I always thought he’d be better as a reliever, like the Hernandez kid we traded to the D-Backs).  And Britton pitched well enough too. 

    I like that there is competition and that they have to earn a shot, but at the same time I think most of them (off the top of my head) have already shown they can pitch in triple A.  So why repeat it again.

    I’ve always like the idea of trading Guthrie while he has value.  Just as long as you have at least 1 200 inning arm in the rotation to rely on.

  24. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    IF Matusz is in shape and recovered his velocity, it makes no sense to send him down.  Arrietta pitched well enough before his surgery to be given a chance (though I always thought he’d be better as a reliever, like the Hernandez kid we traded to the D-Backs).  And Britton pitched well enough too. 

    I like that there is competition and that they have to earn a shot, but at the same time I think most of them (off the top of my head) have already shown they can pitch in triple A.  So why repeat it again.

    I’ve always like the idea of trading Guthrie while he has value.  Just as long as you have at least 1 200 inning arm in the rotation to rely on.

  25. The_Porcupine 4 years ago

    No doubt Tillman has some flaws (if I remember correctly, very straight fastball), but fans talk about him like he’s a pariah.  Put him in a rotation spot (majors or AAA) for half a year.  Don’t call him up or down.  Leave him be and see how he does.  Or put him in the bullpen in the majors and leave him there. 

    Heck, like Rick Peterson work his Zen/Buddha/Jedi mind tricks on him and see how he does.  Hiring Peterson is an underrated addition to the organization.

  26. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    I think I misread what you responded to, it gets really really confusing on here sometimes.  I was referring to being signed this offseason, but that has nothing to do with anything.  My bad.

  27. Rabbitov 4 years ago

    I think I misread what you responded to, it gets really really confusing on here sometimes.  I was referring to being signed this offseason, but that has nothing to do with anything.  My bad.

  28. MB923 4 years ago

    No problem. I Blame Disqus lol

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