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Tony DiQuattro
I’d like to see one of these on Melky Cabrera
wickedkevin
“Dodgers outfielder Andre Ethier can hit. That much cannot be disputed” Unless facing lefties…
BlueSkyLA
Vs. lefties so far in 2012: .364/.462/.636/1.098
wickedkevin
And a career avg of .244 against them. But hey, if you wanna use your sample size over mine, then that’s cool too!
BlueSkyLA
Hey, but if you want to ignore 2006 and 2007, when he did very much the same thing, and focus on his injury years of 2010 and 2011, then that’s cool too!
NotADeltaBravo
You’re cherry picking.
Career:
.244.304.363.667
BlueSkyLA
Ah, no. Simply pointing out that he’s demonstrated the ability to hit lefties. He really struggled especially against lefties after the broken finger and the bad knee. So let’s see how he does without having to fight either problem before we decide who is “cherry picking.”
NotADeltaBravo
He’s 30 and the career sample size is plenty. Even in his best year, 2009, with great health, he put up: .194 .283 .345 .629
notsureifsrs
“he’s demonstrated the ability to hit lefties”
…in small samples. in other words, you are cherry picking
notsureifsrs
how can someone quoting career numbers be ignoring 2 years of the players career? you are just grasping at straws
they aren’t even straws worth grasping at, either. in 2007 ethier posted a wRC of 86 (league average is 100) against lefties. the only time he has ever had any measure of success against them was in 2006, more than 5 years ago, in only 77 at-bats
but sure, we’re the ones ignoring facts
johnsilver
My money is on Swisher getting the better deal for obvious reasons.. Better hitter for a longer period of time. Ethier is 1 year younger and is a little better with the glove, but he just doesn’t get on base as well as swish and has been dropping offensively since ’09. Not nearly as bad as another over rated player.. BJ Upton, but still dropping.
BitLocker
It only takes a mystery team to up the bidding war. Eithier’s biggest competition will be Swisher.
BlueSkyLA
Correct me if I’ve forgotten something, but it seems to me that Ethier has been on the DL only twice in his career, and the first time was for a broken finger. The knee problem he suffered last year may be a chronic condition (no evidence either way yet) but I’m pretty sure broken fingers are not chronic conditions. So it’s a real stretch to claim that Ethier has an “injury bug.” I’m sure any team bidding on his services is not going to worry much about him breaking any more fingers.
SouthPawRyno
Since ’09 Baseball Prospectus has 12 injuries reported for Ethier, which is a considerable amount. Your perception that his first two years out weigh his career splits against left-handers is rather ignorant. Less than 200 ABs does not mean more than 500 ABs; especially when they precede his years of higher success (in which he’d be paid for).
BlueSkyLA
What 12 injuries? He has been on the DL only twice that I can recall or that anyone else can seem to recall. And I did not say that his first two seasons “outweigh” anything. What I am saying is that his first two seasons (and his third, in which his splits weren’t dramatic) added to his current performance against them suggests that he isn’t nearly as hopeless against lefties as a lot of people assume. I would want to evaluate him for an entire season as a mature, healthy player before drawing that conclusion, or any conclusion.
johnsilver
I’m with you on not thinking any kind of injury will be an issue towards him getting a contract this off season.
Think after the season that Swish and then Ethier will be the 2 clear cut FA targets for OF and then BJ Upton the distant 3rd, or how I would target them. upton’s career offensive performance has been on a slide for 4 straight seasons, but someone will give him a LT deal based on that old “never tapped” tools anyway and get burned.
Ethier will be hard to figure out exactly how long he’ll get for sure, same with Swish, but have a feeling one will sign fast and set the market for the other.
Jeremiah Graves
If I recall there was a lot of talk last year about Ethier wanting to go to Boston. An outfield of Crawford/Ellsbury/Ethier with Pedroia/Youk/Gonzo in the infield and Ortiz at DH sounds pretty much unstoppable on paper, right?!
Theo probably would have gone bonkers for that deal, not sure where Cherington sits after one mostly quiet offseason.
My guess is that Ethier gets an extension with LA or moves to Boston.
Dark horse: Houston signs him for hella bucks to be the RF for a few years and an eventual 1B/DH guy.
Justin 21
I know, everybody loves Youk, but…
notsureifsrs
lineup doesn’t need another lefty and fenway’s right field would likely expose ethier’s significant defensive limitations
johnsilver
You don’t want another JD Drew signed to another high $$$ contract on the downside of their career IOW?
Me either..
venn177
I think what you meant was…
*puts glasses on*
Me Ethier.
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
johnsilver
Boston actually has several OF at High A ball to AAA who are very good prospects and at least one of them should make it. They can find someone on a 1-2 year deal, just like they stumbled onto Cody Ross and not gamble on any more Drew like deals again.
Brentz, Jacobs, Kalish. They are not even certain where top guys like Vitek and Bogaerts will eventually play.
Can’t see this team going out and giving iffy people like this who will be 30+ YO with questionable offensive trajectories multi year big deals. They have a few people on the team they will be thinking of locking up 1st LT who are far more stable, younger and more important to the team.
Capoman
If Ethier puts up good numbers this year keep him. He’s worth it. If not then it’s up for discussion. Hopefully everybody’s gonna have good years not that McCourt’s gone.