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monkeydung
putting all of those signings together makes it look even worse.
still, I think the Dodgers have a fighting chance at the Division this year, and if they are still contending will likely have the go ahead to make a trade or two to help the team out.
chico65
One down. Now they just need to get rid of Colletti.
BlueSkyLA
Colletti did the job he was provided the resources to do. If he’d signed Kuroda, he would not have had the cash to sign another veteran starter. The position would have gone to Eovaldi, who probably isn’t ready, or some risky spring invite reclamation job. If he’d let Rivera walk, he’d have been forced to start Sands, who clearly is not ready now and maybe never. Then the fans really would have had something to gripe about.
vtadave
Eovaldi has pitched great this spring, so for me:
Eovaldi + one year of Kuroda >>>>>> 2 years each of Capuano and Harang.
BlueSkyLA
We’ve seen players (especially pitchers) rushed into filling roles before they were ready and after a few promising months they disappear into the minors never to be seen again. That is always the risk. If management had thought that Eovaldi was ready you can be sure that’s the route they’d have taken.
Amish_willy
Which is why you sign a guy like Pinero to a minor league deal to accompany Kuroda/Eovaldi or whomever.
Edwin Jackson would have been nice as well. Part of the problem seems to be Colletti’s impatience in waiting the market out (I gues in fear of not being able to sign the Harang/Capuano’s of the world for two-year deals). Both of them were signed by Dec 8th with a lot of starting pitching unsigned at that point.
Is going into the 2013 season with 13m owed to those two something that couldn’t have been avoided? I fail to see the upside in both of those moves.
BlueSkyLA
They did a few of those types of signings too. Jackson would have been okay but keep in mind he was gunning for a big payday and only took the short deal very late, when it was clear that nobody was going to pony up. I’m not claiming any upside for the moves as made. I can understand it without have to like it.
BlueSkyLA
I thought one part of this analysis was strange, the part about $22m being “a lot for back-of-the-rotation pitchers.” Sure it would have been a lot if it was one pitcher for two seasons, or two pitchers for one season. But it’s four player-seasons, and that works out to $5.5m per. Last I checked, that was about par for veteran journeyman starters, and average is average, not “a lot.”
notsureifsrs
except it is a bad idea to give those players two guaranteed years each, let alone at $5.5M per. that’s why no else (other than the esteemed dayton moore) did it
erik bedard got $4.5M for one year, and he is miles better than capuano and harang. paul maholm got 4.5 for 1 year. jeff francis took a minor league deal. so did aaron cook. zach duke, bartolo colon, freddy garcia, jon garland, joel pineiro, chris young, the list goes on. all comparable journeyman. all had for less – many for minor league deals
the capuano and harang signings are two of the offseason’s worst
BlueSkyLA
Bedard might be a little better, but he isn’t going to give you innings, at least he hasn’t recently. Maholm looks about the same as the pitchers they got and the price is almost the same. The other players you mention, they got minor league deals because they were worth minor league deals. They are only classifiable as journeymen if they can fight their way back into the majors. Look, the point being that $5.5m per season is not “a lot” for players of this type. The arithmetic just doesn’t pencil.
LazerTown
Bedard is a risky move, but a decent one. If he can ever stay healthy then the team would be getting a top of the rotation guy for cheap.
BlueSkyLA
That was my point. I wonder how many fans would have liked taking a gamble on Bedard or some other long shot rehab job. I think just as many would be calling that “the worst signing ever” especially if it turns out that Bedard can’t come up with 150 innings and beats up the bullpen.
Amish_willy
I’d personally rather gamble on the guy on a shorter, less expensive deal with greater upside then going the Harang/Capuano route.
Harang, the same guy that opponents hit .317/.374/.504 off of last year away from his friendly home park. Two years for him is one year too many.
Based on your rationalization you sound a bit in denial to these ears.
notsureifsrs
“They are only classifiable as journeymen if they can fight their way back into the majors”
jeff francis has to fight his way back to the majors? he had a better season than harang or capuano in 2011. pineiro threw 145 innings. livan herndandez was given a minor league deal by the astros. he too had a better year in 2011 than capuano or harang
“$5.5m per season is not “a lot” for players of this type”
it is, though. bedard and maholm are a tier above harang and capuano. the only comparable contract that fits is bruce chen, and dayton moore isn’t good company
moreover, even if $5.5M were the going rate for pitchers of their caliber, two guaranteed years at that price is absolutely not standard
BlueSkyLA
Actually no, he didn’t, but I was responding to your list of minor league signings. So now you’re not only trying to evade my point but your own!
notsureifsrs
jeff francis was given a minor league deal. so was pineiro. so was hernandez
Amish_willy
Yeah 5.5m for one player, for one season isn’t THAT much, but signing two such pitchers, guys teams like the Padres routinely sign for 1/3-4m doesn’t make Colletti look all that smart.
If I were signing those kind of starters, that 2nd guaranteed year would be a big turnoff. Would think teams would want to maintain not only financial, but also roster flexibility when talking about the bottom of the rotation. Of course these types of signings are nothing new in L.A. – Ned’s got a quota to meet. Will be sad (Pad fan) if he’s replaced my a more competent GM.
BlueSkyLA
Harang was a rehab job when the Padres signed him last year for $3m. He took a value-building deal one year deal and built some value. I’m no big fan of Harang, but would we really prefer somebody coming off an injury season? Even in theory?
We should not have to debate why so many of these journeyman players were signed to backloaded two-year contacts this year by the Dodgers. We can understand why this happened without having to like it.
Novak
If anything, the Dodgers bought out all the veteran role players and undercut that market…now what will teams do for quality veteran players???
Silas1952
With the sale of the Dodgers, regardless of what the Dodgers did this off-season, it’s safe to say the Dodgers’ star is rising. I expect a WS championship in the next 2-3 years!
pft2
Dodgers have made the playoffs 4 times in 8 years. Last year they were hurt by injuries.
After spending 2.15 billion to buy the Dodgers, how much is left to spend on players and renovate the stadium? Look for massive price increases.
Blue387
The Dodgers made a mistake signing Capuano. There is risk of injury for too much money as well as questions about age and endurance past the fifth inning. He tosses under 90 and had bad career numbers against the Giants at AT&T Park.
Capuano is career 0-4 with a 5.32 ERA and 1.5 WHIP against the Giants at AT&T Park.
Dr. Gonzo
I understand what you’re saying but those are small sample sizes. Prior to last year Matt Cain was notorious for getting knocked around by the Dodgers. I don’t usually agree with the “this pitcher is this bad/good against division rivals” because over a large sample size the opposite can be true.
I do agree with you that the signing was not something I agree with. Harang I can understand a bit more but Capuano is a fly ball pitcher and is just not very good. I’m sure you would know that first hand as a Met fan.