Shin-Soo Choo Rumors: Wednesday

Reports yesterday indicated that both the Diamondbacks and Tigers are likely out of the Shin-Soo Choo sweepstakes (though I personally question whether or not the signing of Rajai Davis truly removes Detroit from the equation). The Rangers are still said to be in the mix, however. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick provided a rundown of potential Choo suitors yesterday, cautioning never to bet against Scott Boras. Here are Wednesday’s Choo rumors…

  • Rangers source says the club isn’t optimistic about their chances of signing Choo, writes T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com.  Texas doesn’t have a seven-year offer out to the outfielder, tweets Jeff Wilson of the Star-Telegram.
  • The Rangers have a seven-year offer on the table to Choo and he is giving it serious consideration, a source tells T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com.  The deal is worth less than the $153MM deal that Jacoby Ellsbury inked with the Yankees but it’s strong enough for Choo to mull over.
  • The general sense among teams involved in the Choo sweepstakes is whichever team goes to eight years will land him, tweets Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.  He’s believed to have a seven-year offer in hand already.
  • The Mariners are likely out of the picture on Choo after adding Corey Hart and Logan Morrison today, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.

Earlier Updates

  • Scott Boras spoke with more than 100 reporters today and said that he’s received multiple offers for Choo, who wants to his time and discuss all of his options with his wife. Boras said he’s received offers from teams that are rebuilding and also for teams that are looking to win in 2014. “He really is a player I think is revered,” said Boras (ESPN Dallas’ Richard Durrett reporting).
  • “I think we have to move on,” Reds GM Walt Jocketty told C. Trent Rosecrans of the Cincinnati Enquirer when asked about Choo (Twitter link).
  • The Rangers like Choo but not at his asking price, which Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram hears is $22MM annually (Twitter link). Nelson Cruz is a more viable option for Texas, Wilson adds.
  • Bob Nightengale of USA Today has heard that Choo is looking for $140MM over seven years (Twitter link). Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News tweets that he’s heard the same.
  • One executive told Joel Sherman of the New York Post that the Mariners and Rangers “are the lead dogs” in the Choo market (Twitter link).
  • The Reds met to discuss Choo last night, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. However, their inability to clear some payroll by dealing Brandon Phillips first has dimmed their chances, he adds.


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112 Comments on "Shin-Soo Choo Rumors: Wednesday"


BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

If Jocketty has one priority this offseason it should be to re-sign Choo by any means possible. I just don’t see how the Reds can replace his offense without him.

HustlinOwl
1 year 8 months ago

But it was all Dusty’s fault remember SMH back to 75 win seasons

BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

Uh what?

BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

Uh what?

Jay Rock
1 year 8 months ago

Dusty was not a bad manager. He did do some things that left me shaking my head. Ultimately, it was time for him to move on. That said, last year’s squad, as constructed, was not championship-caliber. That was on Jocketty. One thing I thought the team lacked was the fire you saw it in the Cards and the Pirates. And those teams got that fire from their respective managers. Dusty could not provide that, maybe Price can. We can always hope.

Teufelshunde4
1 year 8 months ago

2013 Reds had enough talent to win Central and make a deep playoff run. They had injuries and regression. That happens. IMO Dusty got fired for lack of performance in big games in playoffs.

godzillacub
1 year 8 months ago

Surprised Dusty didn’t rub holy water on their injuries. I mean, not saying we’re the favorite, but he did rub holy water on Cub’s players injuries.

Teufelshunde4
1 year 8 months ago

It would be foolish for Reds to break the bank for Choo. WJ needs to be creative to fill his needs. Not just spend money he doesnt have.

John Curiel III
1 year 8 months ago

Scott Boras is his own worst enemy. Not every team is the Yankees and not every team is looking to spend 22 million a year for an outfield. Sucks for Choo because I don’t think he’ll get the contract his agent tried driving up the price for with the signing of Ellsbury. It’s clear to me what Boras wanted to accomplish with the Ellsbury deal, but I think his other clients are going to be signing for a smaller price tag than what Boras was trying to sell them.

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

Oh there is a large chance that they sign for a smaller price tag than what he was trying to sell them as. That doesn’t constitute a failure though.

John Curiel III
1 year 8 months ago

I hear what you’re saying. Failure was probably the wrong word. Signing a multi-million dollar deal is far from a failure. Boras is seeking a 20 million a year deal for 7 years for Choo. I feel he’ll probably end up signing for 17-18 million a year. 14-21 million dollars less over the life time of the contract. That’s a huge gap. Maybe I should have said wrong expectations.

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

Asking price is different than reality.
Cano was asking for $300M, did his agents do that bad to get a $240M contract, I think they did really good.

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

Oh there is a large chance that they sign for a smaller price tag than what he was trying to sell them as. That doesn’t constitute a failure though.

acerulli1
1 year 8 months ago

Weren’t we all saying the same kind of things about Matt Holliday, Jayson Werth and Prince Fielder?

Boras did quite well for those guys.

To this day, I still often get sucked into the “Boras is insane” line of thinking, but then I constantly try to remind myself that he has proven, time and again, to be a downright magician with the contracts he lands for his clients…

…at least, those clients not named Kyle Lohse.

WazBazbo
1 year 8 months ago

Maybe, but that gets said every year about a lot of Boras clients, and somehow, the vast majority of them get what they’re asking for, or close. That’s why he’s Boras.

Seamaholic
1 year 8 months ago

Reds need to lower their demands on Phillips. They’re not getting a dream return and they need to decide whether they want him or Choo.

BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

I agree. Reds’ priority with moving Phillips should be to free up payroll in order to sign Choo.

Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog
1 year 8 months ago

What happens if they move Phillips to free up the cash…then Choo signs elsewhere? Do they have a 2B and/or OF ready?

Guest
1 year 8 months ago

I think Billy Hamilton might move back to 2B.

Josh Botts
1 year 8 months ago

The longer this holds out the more I like Cincy’s chance of re-signing him.

BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

I agree. I think it will happen.

talcha32
1 year 8 months ago

The longer it holds out, the more chances the price comes down to Texas’ price range. All reports say Choo is the #1 target and Cruz is #2.

Jack Conness
1 year 8 months ago

I think Choo would be a very nice fit in Seattle next to Cano. Some big time lefty bats and excitement will finally be in Seattle. I think they could contend if they get one more pitcher and someone who can catch.

Brian
1 year 8 months ago

They do have a great catcher in Zunino. He was a defensively minded catcher which is what made him a great, high draft pick. He just needs to step up his offense in the majors (which he has the potential to do).

LetsGoBucs92122
1 year 8 months ago

If the Mariners could sign Choo along with Cano as well as a possible trade for Price, they could take a significant step up the MLB ladder!

BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

How do the Mariners have all this money all of a sudden? Where did it come from? Why haven’t they spent it sooner?

SeanReddy
1 year 8 months ago

Old contracts finally coming off the books, New TV Deal, League share on MLB TV deal (if I recall correctly)

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 8 months ago

The Mariners have had money to spend, they made a play for Hamilton last year, Ellsbury this year and Cano. Ellsbury and Hamilton both left money on the table to not play in Seattle. Cano was just the first to accept their money.

Jonathan Barlock
1 year 8 months ago

I thought the Angels contract bid for Hamilton was higher than the Ms were willing to go anyways? Maybe I’m wrong?

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

The M’s offered a 4-year, $100MM contract with 2 easily attained vesting options at $25MM a piece. The Angels gave him more guaranteed years, but the M’s gave him the bigger contract overall. He either didn’t want to play here or he had no confidence in getting the options to vest.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 8 months ago

The Mariners have had money to spend, they made a play for Hamilton last year, Ellsbury this year and Cano. Ellsbury and Hamilton both left money on the table to not play in Seattle. Cano was just the first to accept their money.

1 year 8 months ago

Mario’s been collecting all those coins from stomping on the goombas.

Bill Smith
1 year 8 months ago

That’s racist. 😛

jfast27
1 year 8 months ago

Other than Felix and Cano, they have no players under contract after 2014.

Arndt Miles
1 year 8 months ago

Willie!!

Nicholas Stuart
1 year 8 months ago

They’ve always had it. Tried to spend it last year but couldn’t. The M’s at one time had a top 5 payroll in MLB and have the revenue to do it again.

Jonathan Barlock
1 year 8 months ago

I don’t think a deal for Price gets done. They would have to trade significant pieces like Walker and or Zunino. They are better off just keeping them

LetsGoBucs92122
1 year 8 months ago

After the recent report that Price will not sign an extension with Seattle, that should take them out of the running for Price…should

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 8 months ago

Choo’s asking price really needs to come down. He’s a good player but not a 100+ million dollar player. He hits for a sub .300 AVG but has a very good OBP, has 20 HR power but has never posted a SLG over .489, he has some speed but he’s not a very good base stealer (career 72% success rate and 64% success rate last year). All in all that adds up to about a 75 Million dollar player not 100+ in my book.

DarthBusey
1 year 8 months ago

What Choo talkin’ bout?

oz10
1 year 8 months ago

I see his contract turning bad just like Kinsler’s did. No way he warrants the contract and I really hope the Rangers stay far, far away.

scs
1 year 8 months ago

Kinsler’s contract wasn’t bad then, and it isn’t bad now. He would probably get a bigger deal if he was a free agent right now.

NomarGarciaparra
1 year 8 months ago

I predict Brandon Phillips will hit 18 HRs again for the Reds in 2014.

Jonathan Barlock
1 year 8 months ago

I don’t really see the Mariners getting Choo since they are a lefty heavy line up

Austin McDermott
1 year 8 months ago

I think that if the price is right, they can’t turn him away. Too much talent (if he’s cheaper than $20mil)

brandondc
1 year 8 months ago

Phillips for Gardner. Sign Choo. Move Hamilton to 2B. Reds would be an incredible smallball team, in my dreamworld.

BhamRedsFan
BhamRedsFan
1 year 8 months ago

Assuming Hamilton’s D held up ok, I’d be fine with this.

Tim McCollum
1 year 8 months ago

If the Reds trade Phillips for Gardner it would not surprise me to see the Yankees go after Choo, especially with his price falling.

talcha32
1 year 8 months ago

Yankees already have about 25 outfielders

Tim McCollum
1 year 8 months ago

If the Reds trade Phillips for Gardner it would not surprise me to see the Yankees go after Choo, especially with his price falling.

DarthBusey
1 year 8 months ago

I don’t know if I’d want a smallball team playing half of their games in that bandbox, though.

brandondc
1 year 8 months ago

I think it’d be a nice change of pace.. Reds have had too many streaky guys over the years that swing for the fences and leave them with a lot of poor at-bats.

John Kreese
1 year 8 months ago

Mariners, Rangers & possibly Reds? $140MM for seven years? I’m sure Boras has some tricks up his sleeve & the “mystery” team will get involved soon.

slasher016
1 year 8 months ago

Reds won’t be in for that price tag. I really can’t see the Reds going over $100M.

Steven Russell
1 year 8 months ago

Yeah…no thanks as a Ranger fan.Just go sign Cruz or Morse to play LF. Cruz is ideal but Morse would platoon with Choice, Beltre, Adduci, Moreland and those guys if we can’t get a full time guy. I doubt Cruz would even be full time but he would play their the majority.

gammaraze
1 year 8 months ago

If the Rangers sign Cruz, it’s to be the primary DH. You either stick with Choice, or you sign a front line outfielder. Remember, Alex Rios only has an option for 2015, and then he’s a free agent and you’re looking for ANOTHER outfielder.

Taylor
1 year 8 months ago

Okay can we stop beating a dead horse here. the rangers want him at 6/100 not at 7/140 but no one else is dishing out over 120million for Choo right now. Sell him off to a mystery team already jeez.

dc21892
1 year 8 months ago

If Texas brings back Cruz, Cincy would be in much better shape. Can never count out the Tigers though. Also, while Arizona likely seems out, one thing to consider is Goldschmidt, Ross and Trumbo are all right handed. They may wind up back in this to try to balance out the lineup.

Fat, Ugly Inner-City Sweathog
1 year 8 months ago

Remember when asking for $20mm per year was reserved for elite players?

Me neither.

Taylor
1 year 8 months ago

I would love to see teams drive some of these prices down. simply dont sign em until the price falls, but the top owners are willing to dip into their pockets.

Arndt Miles
1 year 8 months ago

Pepperidge Farm remembers

Noah Baron
1 year 8 months ago

The deal that Wright got looks like an absolute bargain now. I wonder if Wright regrets leaving possibly $100 Million on the table to stay with the Mets.

Just look at the 3B market. The next best 3B would have been Juan Uribe. You can also make the argument that Wright is a better player than Cano, who just got $240 Million.

Mike1L
1 year 8 months ago

I love Scott Boras. Who else would call a player “revered”?

acottonshirt
1 year 8 months ago

I wouldn’t be so sure the mariners are out of Choo sweepstakes. LoMo and Hart aren’t really OF material. I feel like Z is planning on trading Smoak somewhere and have LoMo play 1B.

Edgar4evar
1 year 8 months ago

Exactly. The team could dump Smoak and install Morrison at first base the way Smoak has played. There is no reason to hand Morrison a starting job in left field.

Austin McDermott
1 year 8 months ago

unless they fail to find another OF
which will end badly all around

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

They might just trade for a cheaper option like Gardner and use the remaining $ on a pitcher like Jimenez or Tanaka.

Tim Bowers
1 year 8 months ago

This, however even Gardner wouldn’t come cheap.

M’s would have to probably give up Franklin + another top 10 prospect.

The_Unnatural
1 year 8 months ago

You do realize Gardner is a FA next year?

jamison_m
1 year 8 months ago

Why would the Mariners be out on Choo just because they signed a risky slugger to a one-year deal and traded for a guy who should still be pretty cheap after arbitration? Especially when neither of them are good outfielders – Hart should probably never play in the outfield again.

I can understand how they would be out due to the Cano signing… bringing in two guys on giant contracts in the same season is rare. So I guess it’s fare to say the M’s are out, but I disagree with the reasoning in the update.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 8 months ago

No one, except maybe the M’s, will give Choo 22 mil AAV. At 15 mil AAV I think TEX and the Red Sox would get seriously involved.

Stevil
1 year 8 months ago

The M’s acquired two DH/1B types. So yeah, they’re probably done looking for outfielders.

Hermie13
1 year 8 months ago

And they still don’t have a leadoff hitter….