Yankees Turned Down Gardner-For-Phillips Swap

10:37pm: Phillips has a no-trade clause that allows him to block a deal to the Yankees but the Reds did not ask him to waive his no-trade, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  Meanwhile, the Yankees continue to say that they are reluctant to trade Gardner, who will earn a little more than $4MM in his walk year (link).

10:05pm: Before the Yankees turned down the proposed swap, Phillips asked for his contract to be re-opened to pay him more money to agree to the deal, a National League source tells Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

9:22pm: Both Brandon Phillips and Brett Gardner have seen their names pop up in trade rumors recently, but Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports (via Twitter) that the two of them actually had their name in the same deal. The Yankees, according to Heyman, turned down a Phillips-for-Gardner swap that was proposed by the Reds.

Phillips, 32, regressed to a .261/.310/.396 batting line with 18 homers in 2013. Always one of baseball's best defenders at second base, Phillips didn't disappoint on that front, turning in a strong +8.5 UZR/150 mark. The Yankees are a logical suitor for Phillips, given the fact that they just lost Robinson Cano to the Mariners late last week. However, though he's cheaper than Cano, Phillips is still owed $50MM over the next four years — his age-32 through age-35 seasons.

Gardner, 30, also saw his role come into question due to the Yankees' free agent decisions. New York inked Jacoby Ellsbury to a massive seven-year, $153MM contract, giving them an outfield mixture of Ellsbury, Gardner, Ichiro Suzuki, Alfonso Soriano and Vernon Wells. Gardner is viewed as superior to most of those options and likely appeals to Cincinnati because he could play center field for a season while top prospect Billy Hamilton gets some additional minor league seasoning. Gardner batted .273/.344/.416 with eight homers, 24 steals and a league-leading 10 triples in 2013. That would make him a dynamic leadoff option to replace Shin-Soo Choo atop Cincinnati's lineup while delivering elite center field defense.

The trade would fill a need for both teams, so it'll be interesting to see if they revisit the framework down the line, perhaps adding other pieces to make it more appealing to the Yankees.


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401 Comments on "Yankees Turned Down Gardner-For-Phillips Swap"


MrBigShot
1 year 8 months ago

Pitching = Championships…..get that pitching for Gardner

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

batting = championships too. so i guess that means pitching = batting.

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

You just blew my mind.

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

Just like you to underrate defense.Defense wins championships defense=offense=pitching.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

i can’t believe you went there and completely overlooked championships = money, so therefore money = defense = pitching = batting.

Stormwolf
1 year 8 months ago

and of course money = the root of all evil.

So the root of all evil = defense = pitching = batting

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

i don’t know how we missed that. so clearly all you need for championships is evil.

txftw
1 year 8 months ago

Explains why the Yanks have the most……heh heh heh

Bob M
1 year 8 months ago

Sorry, but “the LOVE of money is the root of all evil” = defense=pitching=batting, etc.

Bob M
1 year 8 months ago

1 Timothy 6:10

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

i can’t believe you went there and completely overlooked championships = money, so therefore money = defense = pitching = batting.

Nathan Boley
1 year 8 months ago

This reminds me of one of my favorite baseball quotes of all time..

“Good pitching beats good hitting, and vice versa.” – Yogi Berra

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

man was brilliant.

Karkat
1 year 8 months ago

Only in the NL :p

Jeffy25
1 year 8 months ago

How cliche and inaccurate.

But the Yankees do need more pitching, but it doesn’t win championships

Lord of the Fries
1 year 8 months ago

I personally consider Phillips a massively overrated player at this point in his career, but I would have made this deal if I were the Yankees.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Why trade for the “overrated” player who is owed a good amount of $ still and is declining?

101andCounting
1 year 8 months ago

…Because they’re the Yankees?

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

I wouldn’t, his offense is declining, he is very overpaid, and Gardner still provides value. I think that unless Reds were willing to pay most of contract that you shouldn’t have to give up that much to get Phillips.

slasher016
1 year 8 months ago

Very overpaid? An inferior same aged player in Infante is about to get just $2M less per season. Infante 2.7 WAR avg last four years, Phillips 3.6 WAR avg last four seasons. Most of Phillips “decline” was due to an injury he played through last year.

Mike Babiak
1 year 8 months ago

I agree.. people are acting as if this is a bad contract. Meanwhile, in today’s market this is actually below average.

I bet if Phillips was a free agent this offseason he would get a 3year/39million+ contract

Hardcore Yankee Fan
1 year 8 months ago

So in other words, he might get about $11 million less than he’s currently under contract for?

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

But there is the very problem. Who wants to give up anything of value for him then?

NomarFachix
1 year 8 months ago

$10M last season for a 1.6 WAR and .706 OPS is very overpaid, yes.

garret
1 year 8 months ago

exactly slasher. He got hbp on foreman in pitt. and was not the same. This guy would be a steal for the nyy. could hit 20hr. drive in 80-90 and win a gold glove for yanks.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

Yes because the Reds want to continue paying for Phillips while only getting 1 year of Gardner. Makes perfect sense for a mid market team to do that. You overrate Gardner while underrate Phillips based on 1 year that he tried to hit with a bad hand after being hit for the 100th time by Pirates pitchers.

Lord of the Fries
1 year 8 months ago

Phillips is still an above average defensive player, even if his offensive/baserunning numbers have slipped. He benefits from batting behind a solid top of the lineup in Cincy, which he would still have for the Yankees. Hitting in Yankee Stadium wouldn’t hurt his power numbers. And as slasher016 just pointed out below me, he’s better than Infante, who is the next best option in a relatively weak market.

I’m not saying that Gardner isn’t valuable, but Soriano, Ellsbury, and Beltan combined for a WAR of around 10 last season. Even factoring in the age of Beltran and Soriano, their outfield will still be pretty solid with or without Gardner. They’re in more need of a starting caliber second baseman than another outfielder.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

“Hitting in Yankee Stadium wouldn’t hurt his power numbers. ”

1 – His power numbers have declined heavily for the past 2 years and he’s played in a hitters park the past 8 years

2- Yankee Stadium is not a RH hitters park.

AZDbacksfan1
1 year 8 months ago

That made no sense for the Yankees.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Yes it doesn’t make sense, because the Yankees are usually the ones who pay the declining players a lot of $. For once they did the smart move

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Good.

levendis
1 year 8 months ago

well if Im the Yankees i do the trade if the Reds agree to pick up some of his contract. Hes still a good option at 2B. And a platoon of Johnson/ Reynolds at 3B would give the Yanks a very potent lineup. I think this deal can still happen though. My guess is the Yankees want to see what the Tanaka situation is like, because if hes not posted they would look to trade Gardner for a SP. I do like the idea of playing Gardener throughout the OF giving Beltran, Soriano (he doesnt like DHing everyday) and even Ellsbury days off.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

“well if Im the Yankees i do the trade if the Reds agree to pick up some of his contract”

So would I, but the Reds don’t plan on doing that. And not only that, but the last update said Phillips wants even more money.

He is a good option at 2B, sure, but if the Yanks decided to trade Gardner, it should be for pitching. I’d rather them try sign Infante and keep Gardner than lose Gardner for Phillips. Infante + Gardner >>>> Phillips and no Gardner

vittorio
1 year 8 months ago

At the end of the day, you could sign basically the exact same player (Infante) for the same contract w/o giving up one of the fastest guys in the league who consistently puts up .340+ obp’s.

Even w/o the contract situation, Gardner is probably the better player in a straight up comparison

levendis
1 year 8 months ago

well it might be something like this:

Infante + Gardner + Tanaka
or
Philips + Tanaka
or
Infante + #3/#4 type starter

I think everything depends on Tanaka honestly, which is why the Yankees have seemed to slow down on their spending spree for now. But i agree, if the Yanks have to take that entire contract, not worth it.

1 year 8 months ago

The only thing I can think of is that the Yankees value pitching far more than 2B. Phillips is good, and this seemed like a logical trade but if we get pitching we are in much better shape.

Bryce Harper
1 year 8 months ago

Should have made the deal.

Marcel Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

– Reds fan

Bryce Harper
1 year 8 months ago

Who will the Yankees start at second and where will Gardner find time in that outfield?

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Unknown on who the starting 2B is at this point. And Gardner will be in LF. I don’t know how that’s so hard to figure out.

Bryce Harper
1 year 8 months ago

They have Wells, Ichiro, Ellsbury, Beltran, and Gardner. I don’t think it would kill them to move one for a solid 2B

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Wells will be cut, Ichiro will be on the bench. L/C/R is Gardner/Ellsbury/Beltran with Soriano in the mix as well

btcharpied
1 year 8 months ago

Boy. As a Yanks fan, I would have made this deal in a second. I was hoping for a Gardner-for-Phillips swap, but assumed the Yanks would have to cough up a mid-tier prospect to get it done. Instead they are the ones turning down a straight up trade? I’d love Phillips on this roster.

Kevin Sagui
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner’s younger, cheaper and better. Why on earth would you want to trade him for Phillips straight up?

1 year 8 months ago

Because he’s a free agent after this season.

Kevin Sagui
1 year 8 months ago

I’d rather have nothing than Brandon Phillips for three years, $39 million after 2014.

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

That wouldn’t even be one of the worst 5 contracts on this team.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

So what. It would just add another bad one on.

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

That’s my point. Weird place to draw a line in the sand.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Sorry I’m confused, are you saying good move or bad move by the Yankees to turn it down?

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

Good move to turn it down. Surprised if it was due to the contract.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Sorry I’m confused, are you saying good move or bad move by the Yankees to turn it down?

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

That’s my point. Weird place to draw a line in the sand.

Mike Babiak
1 year 8 months ago

thats actually a pretty good contract in today’s market.

vittorio
1 year 8 months ago

So just sign Infante (who is probably a slightly better hitter than Phillips) w/o having to give up a valuable asset in Gardner

anthony
1 year 8 months ago

infante is not even close to a better hitter than phillips, and he doesnt have 2 gold gloves, this was the ONLY movie this off season that actaully made sense for the yankees to make…they will trade for phillips just prob. trying to get cin to pay some contract

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

Yeah, but besides those things they’re practically equivalent…

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

Yeah, but besides those things they’re practically equivalent…

Collateral96
1 year 8 months ago

Why is keeping him that great for? He’s always been vastly overrated by the Yankees for no reason whatsoever.A decent hitter good defender he isn’t Ichiro when he was in his prime.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

No one said he was Ichiro in his prime.

Collateral96
1 year 8 months ago

Never said he was just that he’s treated in that way never did I say he was Ichiro

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

No one said he was Ichiro in his prime.

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

And he certainly isn’t bonds in his prime.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

How is Gardner ever been better than Phillips? Explain that one.

Kevin Sagui
1 year 8 months ago

35 points of OBP + real value on basepaths.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

If you look at HR and RBI, he isn’t

If you look at almost anything else, he is.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

that’s your problem right there. you’re looking too much at the big picture.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

Defensively …even if it is at a different position, Gardner is not better.
Phillips had his worst year in a while, his numbers went down after being hit in the hand. He is not that old and past his prime.
He is more than enough for a one on one trade for Gardner….especially with Gardner gone in FA the following year.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Not sure why you’re comparing a 2B defense to a LF/CF defense. But if you want to, you’d still lose the argument.,

Garnder’s career UZR/150 is 23.0. Phillips’ career UZR/150 at 2B is 8.4

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

I did state that even at a Different Position….. and UZR is the be all to compare defense?

I think a lot of you have never seen Phillips play more than a handful, if that…of games. You are really underrating Phillips while overrating Gardner. But hey….he does have grit….he does get his uniform dirty and looks like he wants to win more than anyone out on the field.

I think it is a good trade for both sides as it fills a need for both….. but I do not think Gardner is better than Phillips and I do not think Phillips is that much better than Gardner, but he is sure not worse than what most of you are making him out to be.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

No it’s quite the opposite. You are overrating Philips and underrating Gardner. Phillips value has declined and will only continue to decline at his age. And he still has 4 years left on his deal. If Reds offered to pay some of the contract, different story.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

They only have about 3 years of age difference. Phillips is not Juan Franco….barely hanging on with arthritic knees while Gardner is as durable as Carl Ripken.

Phillips has not declined every year….. until this year when again….he was hit on the hand and his numbers dropped while playing through a bad hand.

His numbers were not declining that badly…… except for his SB. he does not run anymore. He still has speed and knows how to run.

I mean come on….you act like Phillips is Matt Adams as a runner and Dick Stuart as a fielder.

Christian camlin
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner costs less,hits for a higher average and is younger than Phillips.Phillips has 50 Million left on his deal.Phillips would have had a much worse year if Choo had not batted ahead of him.With Choo leaving Phillips could be highly over priced.And if Phillips average drops below last years .261 Gardner will be better regardless of the money.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

This is what tells me that hardly anyone here knows much about Phillips as a player besides just his second half numbers.

He was the #2 hitter between Choo and Votto going into the year and was forced by Baker to be the #4 hitter.

He changed his approach to do that and was still hitting near .300 and on pace for over 100 RBI, bad stat or not….. then he was hit on the hand by another Pirates pitcher as they were headhunting him all year….and he then went down after that and ended up with his worst numbers in several years.

Gardner (30 years old)
2013 – .273/.344/.416/.759 (539 ABs, 8 HR)
2012 – Injured nearly entire season
2011 – .259/.345/.369/.713 (510 ABs, 7 HR)
2010 – .277/.383/.379/.762 (477 ABs, 5 HR)

He has a very good OBP, that trumps Phillips but everything else is not much better, if it even is than what Phillips does.

have you seen Phillips play defense at 2B…he is basically a SS playing 2B with his range and arm. He does not get as injured as much as Gardner does.

The contract is the problem people are basically having IMO, not the fact that it is an even trade for both as far as needs go.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

That’s exactly right. It’s the contract. And it’s not just the $ , it’s the years.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

Fine…have the Reds throw in Ondrusek and since the Yankees are all of a sudden the Royals and cannot afford the money….. offer to pay 25% of the remaining contract.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

On the basepaths , defensively (based on UZR) , and better at getting on base.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

How is Gardner ever been better than Phillips? Explain that one.

John Donovan
1 year 8 months ago

Because Gardner plays a position that is full and Phillips plays a position that is up in the air. The same reason every player is traded or traded for.

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

And give up something of value for an overpaid declining player. I don’t think they should have to give up Gardner for him.

VadaPinson
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner is basically the Yankees 4th OF most likely…..you are trading from a position that you do not need for a position of need.

Perhaps the Reds would be better served asking for Richard (Do no censor me MLB TR for saying the D word) Tidrow and Otto Velez.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner is the LFer, not the 4th OFer. I don’t know who made that 4th OFer thing up

Mets_fan_4_life
1 year 8 months ago

I like the idea, but the money is definitely an issue. The Yankees do have money, but now they have to calm themselves because of going over the 198 mil. mark.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Last I heard, they would need A-Rod to get suspended the whole year to reach that $189 mark.

LazerTown
1 year 8 months ago

I think they will surpas the 189 mark. I think they saw that revenues weren’t high enough to make it worth it. Farm system overhaul needs to be a long term strategy, not something they can do overnight.

Jim Taylor
1 year 8 months ago

It obviously is a strategy they decided to bunk on as they have lost draft picks in the 1st-3rd rounds, and only have recieved back a pair of 2nd round and comp picks.

Collateral96
1 year 8 months ago

under 15 million dollars and it’s a big deal?

Mets_fan_4_life
1 year 8 months ago

Well, 15 million is a big deal. They don’t have any pitching. They need to fill those holes. He’s as well 32; they need to stop getting older players who are under contract. It may only be three years, but we always know what happens with those contacts.

Collateral96
1 year 8 months ago

it’s 10 not 15 20 or even 25 so I don’t get it only 5 years not 10

JacobyWanKenobi
1 year 8 months ago

I’m elated that they turned it down. I know the Yankees have needs, but I refuse to accept Phillips as a solution for any of them.

Karkat
1 year 8 months ago

I’m really upset that I never thought of the pun in your new username even once during Ellsbury’s Red Sox career.

JacobyWanKenobi
1 year 8 months ago

I didn’t want to have to pull it out of my bag of tricks. I guess it’s better than Doctor Choo…

Karkat
1 year 8 months ago

I also JUST got that “ObiWanCanobi” was a play on Cano and not just a misspelling. Man, you’re obviously my superior when it comes to puns.

Danny Phillips
1 year 8 months ago

Pitching wins championships

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

bats hit balls

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

But offense will get them back to the post season.

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

Oft repeated phrase that doesn’t have much actual data behind it.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

50% of the teams with a SP in the championship games will win while the other 50% will lose. so clearly pitching wins everything. no one needs to score a run at all.

Coreno
1 year 8 months ago

well…. if nobody scores…. the game doesnt end…. soooooo….

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

50% of the teams with a SP in the championship games will win while the other 50% will lose. so clearly pitching wins everything. no one needs to score a run at all.

LEX STEEL
1 year 8 months ago

Ask the Dodgers how that went this year.

Coreno
1 year 8 months ago

Yeah, and the Red Sox

Scooby
1 year 8 months ago

…and Carlos Beltran. Glad the Yankees didn’t do this.

stonepie
1 year 8 months ago

do not want that contract. they need to include homer bailey and we’ll throw in some prospects

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

What prospects? Did they resign Shelly Duncan?

stonepie
1 year 8 months ago

nah it was eric duncan

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

Can they package Hensley Muelens and Brian Taylor with Gardner? Kevin Maas must still have some value.

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

Can they package Hensley Muelens and Brian Taylor with Gardner? Kevin Maas must still have some value.

Greg Morse
1 year 8 months ago

I think Gardner is headed to SF. For what I do not know but I have a hunch.

letsgogiants
1 year 8 months ago

I hope so. He would offer good speed and defense as well as be a back-up top of the order hitter in case Pagan or Scutaro falter.

Jack McCormick
1 year 8 months ago

Turn down for what?

Yanksfan2010
1 year 8 months ago

Glad they did not make the trade

Kevin Jones
1 year 8 months ago

if the Yankees think they can get better for Gardner, good luck.

stats wise Gardner is overrated.
stats wise Phillips is the better player, and he fills a NEED.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

i’m not so sure it was about getting better. i think it was more about not wanting dead weight.

GetTheRunnerOver
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner is a speed threat, the most underrated aspect of the game. Phillips is declining and only has pop on Gardner at this point

Kevin Jones
1 year 8 months ago

I love speed and think it gets udnerrated in the game. but for the Yankees what good is Gardner as a speed player off the bench. most of Gardner’s game is speed.

Phillips is only 32 years old. he can still put up some good numbers.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

if he’s coming off the bench, i imagine his value is the same as any player with speed coming off the bench for any team. i’m confused as to what there is to understand about this.

Kevin Jones
1 year 8 months ago

whoa re the Yankees going to use at 2B? all they have right now is Kelly Johnson.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

who knows. season hasn’t even started yet. there might be some time to figure that out still without having to take on a bad contract.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

who knows. season hasn’t even started yet. there might be some time to figure that out still without having to take on a bad contract.

Kevin Jones
1 year 8 months ago

I love speed and think it gets udnerrated in the game. but for the Yankees what good is Gardner as a speed player off the bench. most of Gardner’s game is speed.

Phillips is only 32 years old. he can still put up some good numbers.

jwsox
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner is one of the best defensive out fielders in the game., is a 30+ steal threat and has a better obp than Phillips. How exactly is he overrated?

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

because he said so?

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

Tread lightly..

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

Tread lightly..

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

because he said so?

Kevin Jones
1 year 8 months ago

there are 4th OF types who can do what Gardner does given the same opportunity.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

but they already have Gardner.

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

There are 4th OFs that can deliver 7 WAR seasons? Where?

Kevin Jones
1 year 8 months ago

well I don’t believe in WAR anyways. different sites can’t even come up with the same WAR and defensive ratings are rated different.

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

Not surprised you seem to be type to believe in the will to win statistic.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

how dare you knock it?

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

Too new for my taste.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

it’s a stat not a religion. it’s not based on faith.

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

Yes, but I’m sure you’re all about the “eye” test. That’s objectivity for you. Nice thing about stats is that whether you believe in them or not, they exist. So, you can refuse to believe in WAR, democracy or fajitas and it really doesn’t matter.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

LOL far far from the truth.

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

What does “stats wise he’s overrated” even mean?

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

108 wrc vs a wrc of 91. ya phillips is mucg better.

GetTheRunnerOver
1 year 8 months ago

Thank god, i feel like Cashman has learned a big lesson since Arod. Just get Infante, who will hit for a batter average, basically the same defense for cheaper and less years.

HoneyNutIchiro
1 year 8 months ago

I’d like to hear what Yankee fans think they can get for a guy like Gardner who’s in his walk year. Plus, you have five OF’s.

Collateral96
1 year 8 months ago

I don’t know what to think of that.They need a righty bat and they had one thrown into their laps and they decided not to go with it. Not sure what they’re thinking.They have too many left handed hitters as of this minute.

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

“Plus, you have five OF’s.” So? They should clear the log jam by getting rid of the better OF instead of ridding themselves of dead weight?

sam fisher
1 year 8 months ago

Yes I agree. “I think Gardner is headed to SF. For what I do not know but I have a hunch.” for Madison Bumgarner right? I do that deal in a heart beat.

GetTheRunnerOver
1 year 8 months ago

No way its straight up

roxfan41
1 year 8 months ago

I really hope SF isn’t that foolish

Greg Morse
1 year 8 months ago

I would rather sit through another season with Blanco platooning in left than trade Bumgarner for any left fielder in the game.

Greg Morse
1 year 8 months ago

I would rather sit through another season with Blanco platooning in left than trade Bumgarner for any left fielder in the game.

AJSimon122
1 year 8 months ago

As a Yankee fan, yes please, and sprint from the negotiations as fast as humanly possible.

Won’t happen, I’m still holding out hope for a Gardner for Homer Bailey swap. Makes too much sense.

livestrong77nyyankz
1 year 8 months ago

No way Gardner lands the Yankees Bumgarner

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

Is it even fair to say that Gardner is a more valuable player overall than Phillips? (Based on WAR he is). At the rate Phillips has gone the past 3 years, there’s a good chance that Gardner next year will have a higher WAR than Phillips in his next 2 years combined.

Heck, Gardner was even the better hitter last year. wRC+ 108 for Gardner, wRC+ 91 for Phillips

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner is very undervalued player. He gets hurt a fair bit, but when he plays, he hits, he can run and he plays great defense. Not much power there, but a very good OF. And this is coming from a guy that can’t stand the Yankees.

MB923
1 year 8 months ago

At least 1 non-Yankee fan understands how valuable he is. Are there any other non-Yankee fans who also see how much Phillips has declined (offensively) the past 2 years?

chicowalker
1 year 8 months ago

I wouldn’t be shocked to see Gardner deliver more WAR than any of the Yankees OFs over the next 3 seasons.

jjs91
1 year 8 months ago

I’m pretty sure sox fans began to admit his value once we signed ellsbury.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

i do. and i hate both teams. i like what gardner has to offer and even if he’s never a superstar, he’s still way more valuable to the yankees right now than taking that awful contract of phillips.

$3513744
1 year 8 months ago

i do. and i hate both teams. i like what gardner has to offer and even if he’s never a superstar, he’s still way more valuable to the yankees right now than taking that awful contract of phillips.

ikkf
1 year 8 months ago

Gardner is so perennially undervalued, I really don’t believe he’d ever fetch equal value in a trade.

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

True. Casual fans (even those who are more than a little familiar with the Yankees) seem to have little grasp as to just how good he is.

randytherobot
1 year 8 months ago

Aren’t you the guy who thinks Mark Trumbo is good?

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

I think he’s underrated in the eyes of many of the recent critiques & that WAR is far from gospel if that’s what you mean. Power mitigates a lot of shortcomings and if Trumbo can play an acceptable LF (no given, granted) then I think he’ll be just fine.

I think Brett Gardner is better than Trumbo if that helps. Gardner is so often casually dismissed as a ‘nice player’ that it’s sort of obnoxious…

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 8 months ago

True. Casual fans (even those who are more than a little familiar with the Yankees) seem to have little grasp as to just how good he is.

GetTheRunnerOver
1 year 8 months ago

I agree Gardner is more valuable, he had 10 triples last year, speed threat, and is better at hitting for contact. Phillips will obviously you give you more homeruns but i feel we have attended that need enough.

GetTheRunnerOver
1 year 8 months ago

I agree Gardner is more valuable, he had 10 triples last year, speed threat, and is better at hitting for contact. Phillips will obviously you give you more homeruns but i feel we have attended that need enough.