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Steve 39
Hopefully Edwards, Olt, or Ramirez work out because Archer looked solid and Lee is still highly rated.
calicub
It was a desparate move, by a desparate man, desparately trying to save his job. But, three years down the line, it seems as though the Cubs came out on top, depending on how you look at it.
Guyer and Fuld held little to no value to the Cubs at the time, Chirinos was about even to Castillo at the time, and the Cubs made the right decision there, as Castillo is now one of the “core” and Chirinos may have a shot at having a journeyman like career. Then there’s Hak, who despite his name wasn’t and is not going to make it due to his offensive game, or lack there of.
Finally, there is Archer. Management also made the calculated risk of holding onto one top pitching prospect (McNutt) in hopes that he would flourish and traded away the other. Archer seems the most likely to succeed, but the prospects the Cubs got back for Garza far outweigh value Archer could have had.
Plus Russcup is looking like he may have a promising career in the pen. Though Perez only lasted 6 months with the Cubs in Iowa.
Steve 39
Archer has potential to be a stud and coming off of a good year but the package the Cubs got for Garza has a chance to be very good. If only they would have traded McNutt instead of Archer
calicub
yep. no one hits a thousand, but all things considered, i’m glad they kept castillo and mcnutt over chirinos and archer.
Steve 39
Hendry’s success rate was similar to Darwin Barney’s batting average
calicub
bu-dum-cha!
Lance Pistachio
Castillo’s ceiling seems to be a slightly above average catcher and mcnutt is looking like a bust and hasn’t even hit AAA. Archer looked damn good this year and could be a front-end starter long term. Archer alone is worth more than Castillo and McNutt.
calicub
i disagree. McNutt may never pan out, but Castillo put defensive numbers up behind the dish that were barely beat out by yadier molina, his offensive production is above average with room to improve, his game calling has been excellent and other aspects of his game continue to improve as well.
Archer is far less of a sure thing than Castillo and i’d be willing to put money on Castillo bcoming a better player. Also while the Cubs system is/has been light on pitching, catching depth in the system is even furthr behind.
Jeffy25
Rays are probably happy with that deal for the most part today
Zoe 3
This January has been so slow for free agent signings and trades
Sky14
Millwood that season beat out Johan by .01 for the ERA crown. I can’t help but think if he was just slightly worse would those narrow-minded voters might have voted in favor of Santana over Colon that year.
Considering the haul the Cubs got back from the Rangers the Garza deal doesn’t seem nearly bad as it did then though I imagine they regret trading Archer.
BENT_WOOKIE
if I remember correctly the rays had a choice of castillo or chirinos. I hope lee does well, never good to see someone go down with an injury so young. so far I think the rays are winning, garza was injured a bit, fielded pretty terribly, couldn’t bunt either if I remember correctly. the fielding was very frustrating considering how much it seems like he wants to win, but had so many preventable mistakes. it’s great we could sell so high on him, so they do still have an outside shot of winning their garza shinanigans overall.
Cubstein
Garza was injured for the second half of 2012 but gave the Cubs a good 2011 missing a few starts due to a bone contusion, and first half in 2013. He gave the Cubs a total of 5.5 WAR. At the deadline the Cubs traded their remaining control for Olt, Edwards, Grimm and Ramirez, all with decent chances of being MLB players, with Edwards being the prized piece.
Hak-Ju Lee might be good but he missed almost all of last season with a torn ligament.
Archer- so far it looks like he’s the biggest loss finally coming around on his production. 2.1 WAR to date and still several years of control left.
Chirinos- provided .1 WAR and never worked out. He was traded for a PTBNL but that PTBNL was never sent. Most likely because they paid a little cash to settle up instead.
Fuld- pretty much a utility player. Not much to complain about losing.
Guyer- pretty much a bust, might have some future in a utility role.
So really the two main pieces are Archer and Lee. Garza gave us decent production while he was here, Grimm gave us 9 solid innings last year in relief. Olt’s a wild card, he could be worthless or he could get over his eye condition and be the top 15 prospect he was prior to the eye problems, Edwards has either solid TOR stuff or a solid closer if his body doesn’t hold up. Ramirez is a mid rotation type with a risk of injury. We also received Rosscup, who could be a solid reliever.
I definitely wasn’t a fan of the trade when this went down, especially since making a push was really Hendry’s last attempt at saving his job. But given the current circumstances, I’m not sure I reverse it. When we see what type of career all these young players end up having, then we can come back and judge on a later date.
Pete Clarf
Hey, how come Angel Berroa wasn’t given the “former Rookie of the Year” moniker that Grieve was?