Honestly… How long does it take to grow a dominating mustache again?
DandyKoufax
Another Expo leaves the stage (officially). Only 4 left with big league contracts.
johnsilver
Probably nearly as many FO personnel left.
GeronimoJansen
Who are the 4?
Contrarian30
Bruce Chen, Jamey Carroll, Bartolo Colon, and Scott Downs.
LazerTown
bartolo. alex gonzalez, endy, maicer?
johnsilver
Will Vlad ever retire 🙂
Jeff Todd
He did, in September.
johnsilver
Thanks Jeff. Thought he was still hanging around waiting for that perfect job that would never come his way.
Metsfan93
He did, the same weekend Todd Helton announced.
Metsfan93
Does Endy have a MLB deal? Or Gonzalez, for that matter?
wadesawko
Grady?
Metsfan93
Did he ever play for the big league club? If not, then if you count him you’ve gotta count Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips too..
LazerTown
That awful trade.
johnsilver
I thought knew at least 3 FO personnel, but was wrong. Only 2.
Minaya (with SD) and Duquette (Orioles)
David Kowalski
Jamey Carroll (2002-2004), Maicer Izturis (2004), Scott Downs (200, 2003-04) and Jon Rauch (2004). Rauch is a real surprise. He only pitched 23 innings for the Expos (2 starts, 7 relief appearances)
Paul Munz
Jamey Carroll is still around too..
same with Jon Rauch…
johnsilver
“Though Pavano had many excellent seasons”
He did?? I watched him with the Fish, back when he actually had some velocity and even THEN he wasn’t capable of putting up anything really outstanding.
Where were those good seasons after that?
Jeff Todd
I’ll agree that I put that slightly too strongly … it is tough, sometimes, to arrive at just the right adjectives when writing a piece while monitoring other incoming news items (especially since the beat reporters are now live-tweeting every pitch of the spring).
Ultimately, the guy was quite an effective pitcher for a good number of seasons — at least 2 fWAR in 6 campaigns, etc — and I think “solid” or “good” would be a very fair descriptor. But you are right, 2004 was far and away his best (at least in terms of results).
johnsilver
He was a solid innings eater Jeff. We can agree on that.
The guy is retiring after being a guy, who pitched and won 100 games and throwing 200+ innings several times. Something many other guys never did and eating innings from the back of the rotation spot which is still important the last half of his career.
Early on, including when he 1st came up? He was a highly looked upon guy. I remember both he and Brian Rose came up together thru the Sox system, was kind of hoping the Sox had been able to hang onto him and trade Rose instead in the Pedro deal. Pavano was the “exciting” guy, Rose the guy who hadn’t been able to cut it yet then.
ian 2
Good luck to him in retirement. He pitched well for my Twins.
Ben_Cherington
The former Yankee great….
start_wearing_purple
Though best known in Red Sox lore as the key piece in the Pedro Martinez trade.
livestrong77nyyankz
He spent time in New York? Who knew?
Vmmercan
Sadly, I went to two games he started there. I’m about 43-9 lifetime and he accounts for two of those losses.
GetTheRunnerOver
43-9? i advise you keep going to as much games as you can then
Vmmercan
It may be more like 42-12 but yeah it’s definitely way up there, I’m even 2-0 on the road. Dwight Gooden’s no-hitter, Jeter’s 3000th hit, they’ve been very good to me. 12-4 vs the Red Sox. Oddly, the White Sox are 2-0 against me which continuously bothers me. It;s the only team I’ve never seen the Yankees beat but I’ve seen play. Had a 15 game package in 2010, went 12-3 and 1-0 in the playoffs.
Even came back for a game last year (I live in FL now) and it was the Jayson Nix walk off game.
I’ve been lobbying for them to pay for me for a long time haha.
livestrong77nyyankz
All Yankee fans here can agree that you should go to more games! I do remember being 15-0 one year when Tino Martinez had come back to the Yankees for a final hurrah. The first game I went to that year was the start of a home run barrage he had before flaming out for good.
Vmmercan
Gave details above, but yeah, 0-4 in Pavano started games or games against the White Sox. My other low point was a three loss streak against the Red Sox at the end of 2008 and then again in 2012 (the first half). I was at the 22-4 loss vs the Indians, but other than that all peachy.
James O'Donnell
Wonder if he’ll sign a one-day contract so he can retire in pinstripes.
LazerTown
Not sure if there is room on the dl.
Marcel Jenkins
Gold…pure gold…
YankeeFan™
Thanks for your 26 starts in the Bronx NOTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel Morairity
Carl Pavano was a very good pitcher when he was with the fish but when he sign with the twins and yankees his era was in the mid 4.00 era so this is the best pitcher to retire and he is only 38 and thats a good age to retire
Metsfan93
He was solid as a Twin two of the three years. He never got going in New York due to health, although oddly enough he did pitch an Opening Day for them, and not the one immediately after signing the contract.
GetTheRunnerOver
Ben Sheets, Mark Prior and Joel Zumaya should throw a retirement party for him
Metsfan93
Congrats to Pavano on a nice career. That 2012 list of retirees keeps growing. If Johan never throws another pitch in the bigs it’ll be Vizquel, Thome, Chipper, Andruw, Rolen, Moyer, Damon, Pavano, Johan, and, assuming he doesn’t make Philly, Abreu.
Metsfan93
I do believe Ben Sheets and Carlos Zambrano make it onto that list too.
wadesawko
App idea…. Baseball players net worth.
Paul Munz
Pavano’s W/L record was 108-107 ..which they left out of the article.
Pavano was with the Indians for 4 months before they traded him to the Twins in August.
ba9oriole
I’m so glad the Orioles didn’t sign him back in 2005.
Mikenmn
Jeff, all I can say is that you were far too kind. Pavano is the type of player that can drive fans nuts. In New York, he didn’t seem to care at all. 14 years, essentially all as a starter, 1789 IP (!?). Managed just five “full” seasons, only two of them with ERA+ over 100. $63M
Jman1213
I wouldn’t say he “earned” all $63.5 mil. Yes, I’m a Yankee fan.
Unassisted Triple Play
Unfortunate as a Yankee, solid performer as a Twin. People bashing Carl Pavano need to know his philanthropic work was second to none! Great career Carl, stay healthy and keep rocking that epic stache!
Unassisted Triple Play
Unfortunate as a Yankee, solid performer as a Twin. People bashing Carl Pavano need to know his philanthropic work was second to none! Great career Carl, stay healthy and keep rocking that epic stache!
Eric D.
Future hall of famer no doubt.
HA! Gotcha!
PhillyYank
He had a sedentary playing career anyway.
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DarthMurph
Does he have to wait 4 years to enter the DL Hall of Fame?
start_wearing_purple
They’ve changed the name of that to the Mark Prior award.
O Captain, My Captain
shots fired!
Hock13
Honestly… How long does it take to grow a dominating mustache again?
DandyKoufax
Another Expo leaves the stage (officially). Only 4 left with big league contracts.
johnsilver
Probably nearly as many FO personnel left.
GeronimoJansen
Who are the 4?
Contrarian30
Bruce Chen, Jamey Carroll, Bartolo Colon, and Scott Downs.
LazerTown
bartolo. alex gonzalez, endy, maicer?
johnsilver
Will Vlad ever retire 🙂
Jeff Todd
He did, in September.
johnsilver
Thanks Jeff. Thought he was still hanging around waiting for that perfect job that would never come his way.
Metsfan93
He did, the same weekend Todd Helton announced.
Metsfan93
Does Endy have a MLB deal? Or Gonzalez, for that matter?
wadesawko
Grady?
Metsfan93
Did he ever play for the big league club? If not, then if you count him you’ve gotta count Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips too..
LazerTown
That awful trade.
johnsilver
I thought knew at least 3 FO personnel, but was wrong. Only 2.
Minaya (with SD) and Duquette (Orioles)
David Kowalski
Jamey Carroll (2002-2004), Maicer Izturis (2004), Scott Downs (200, 2003-04) and Jon Rauch (2004). Rauch is a real surprise. He only pitched 23 innings for the Expos (2 starts, 7 relief appearances)
Paul Munz
Jamey Carroll is still around too..
same with Jon Rauch…
johnsilver
“Though Pavano had many excellent seasons”
He did?? I watched him with the Fish, back when he actually had some velocity and even THEN he wasn’t capable of putting up anything really outstanding.
Where were those good seasons after that?
Jeff Todd
I’ll agree that I put that slightly too strongly … it is tough, sometimes, to arrive at just the right adjectives when writing a piece while monitoring other incoming news items (especially since the beat reporters are now live-tweeting every pitch of the spring).
Ultimately, the guy was quite an effective pitcher for a good number of seasons — at least 2 fWAR in 6 campaigns, etc — and I think “solid” or “good” would be a very fair descriptor. But you are right, 2004 was far and away his best (at least in terms of results).
johnsilver
He was a solid innings eater Jeff. We can agree on that.
The guy is retiring after being a guy, who pitched and won 100 games and throwing 200+ innings several times. Something many other guys never did and eating innings from the back of the rotation spot which is still important the last half of his career.
Early on, including when he 1st came up? He was a highly looked upon guy. I remember both he and Brian Rose came up together thru the Sox system, was kind of hoping the Sox had been able to hang onto him and trade Rose instead in the Pedro deal. Pavano was the “exciting” guy, Rose the guy who hadn’t been able to cut it yet then.
ian 2
Good luck to him in retirement. He pitched well for my Twins.
Ben_Cherington
The former Yankee great….
start_wearing_purple
Though best known in Red Sox lore as the key piece in the Pedro Martinez trade.
livestrong77nyyankz
He spent time in New York? Who knew?
Vmmercan
Sadly, I went to two games he started there. I’m about 43-9 lifetime and he accounts for two of those losses.
GetTheRunnerOver
43-9? i advise you keep going to as much games as you can then
Vmmercan
It may be more like 42-12 but yeah it’s definitely way up there, I’m even 2-0 on the road. Dwight Gooden’s no-hitter, Jeter’s 3000th hit, they’ve been very good to me. 12-4 vs the Red Sox. Oddly, the White Sox are 2-0 against me which continuously bothers me. It;s the only team I’ve never seen the Yankees beat but I’ve seen play. Had a 15 game package in 2010, went 12-3 and 1-0 in the playoffs.
Even came back for a game last year (I live in FL now) and it was the Jayson Nix walk off game.
I’ve been lobbying for them to pay for me for a long time haha.
livestrong77nyyankz
All Yankee fans here can agree that you should go to more games! I do remember being 15-0 one year when Tino Martinez had come back to the Yankees for a final hurrah. The first game I went to that year was the start of a home run barrage he had before flaming out for good.
Vmmercan
Gave details above, but yeah, 0-4 in Pavano started games or games against the White Sox. My other low point was a three loss streak against the Red Sox at the end of 2008 and then again in 2012 (the first half). I was at the 22-4 loss vs the Indians, but other than that all peachy.
James O'Donnell
Wonder if he’ll sign a one-day contract so he can retire in pinstripes.
LazerTown
Not sure if there is room on the dl.
Marcel Jenkins
Gold…pure gold…
YankeeFan™
Thanks for your 26 starts in the Bronx NOTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel Morairity
Carl Pavano was a very good pitcher when he was with the fish but when he sign with the twins and yankees his era was in the mid 4.00 era so this is the best pitcher to retire and he is only 38 and thats a good age to retire
Metsfan93
He was solid as a Twin two of the three years. He never got going in New York due to health, although oddly enough he did pitch an Opening Day for them, and not the one immediately after signing the contract.
GetTheRunnerOver
Ben Sheets, Mark Prior and Joel Zumaya should throw a retirement party for him
Metsfan93
Congrats to Pavano on a nice career. That 2012 list of retirees keeps growing. If Johan never throws another pitch in the bigs it’ll be Vizquel, Thome, Chipper, Andruw, Rolen, Moyer, Damon, Pavano, Johan, and, assuming he doesn’t make Philly, Abreu.
Metsfan93
I do believe Ben Sheets and Carlos Zambrano make it onto that list too.
wadesawko
App idea…. Baseball players net worth.
Paul Munz
Pavano’s W/L record was 108-107 ..which they left out of the article.
Pavano was with the Indians for 4 months before they traded him to the Twins in August.
ba9oriole
I’m so glad the Orioles didn’t sign him back in 2005.
Mikenmn
Jeff, all I can say is that you were far too kind. Pavano is the type of player that can drive fans nuts. In New York, he didn’t seem to care at all. 14 years, essentially all as a starter, 1789 IP (!?). Managed just five “full” seasons, only two of them with ERA+ over 100. $63M
Jman1213
I wouldn’t say he “earned” all $63.5 mil. Yes, I’m a Yankee fan.
Unassisted Triple Play
Unfortunate as a Yankee, solid performer as a Twin. People bashing Carl Pavano need to know his philanthropic work was second to none! Great career Carl, stay healthy and keep rocking that epic stache!
Unassisted Triple Play
Unfortunate as a Yankee, solid performer as a Twin. People bashing Carl Pavano need to know his philanthropic work was second to none! Great career Carl, stay healthy and keep rocking that epic stache!
Eric D.
Future hall of famer no doubt.
HA! Gotcha!
PhillyYank
He had a sedentary playing career anyway.