Lucchino On Selig, Ortiz, Lester, Yanks, Free Agents

Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino spoke with reporters in Fort Myers, Fla. today and covered a number of topics, one of them being the impending retirement of commissioner Bud Selig. USA Today's Bob Nightengale reports that Lucchino "challenges the premise" that Selig is 100 percent certain to retire following the season. Lucchino says he is one of multiple executives who will pressure Selig to stay in office beyond January 2015. Nightengale quotes Lucchino: "He knows that [the] pressures for him to stay will be so great, that he will have to accede to them." (All Twitter links)

More from the CEO of the reigning World Series champions…

  • Lucchino confirmed that the club has met with David Ortiz's camp since the beginning of Spring Training to discuss a potential extension, writes Tim Britton of the Providence Journal. Lucchino called Ortiz "one of the most important faces in baseball" and said the club was going to give Big Papi's extension "the priority it deserves." He praised Ortiz for his leadership not only among teammates but also in the Boston community.
  • Also from Britton's piece, Lucchino called Jon Lester's comments about taking a discount to stay with the Red Sox "one of the highlights of the offseason" and noted that a Lester extension is something Red Sox brass will address in Spring Training as well.
  • WEEI.com's Alex Speier writes that Lucchino cringes when people lump the Red Sox and Yankees together, calling the two teams "very different animals." Lucchino points out that even though the Red Sox invested heavily in last offseason's free agent market, they only went to three guaranteed years on one deal (Shane Victorino), where the Yankees went to three-plus years four times this offseason alone. "They are still, this year at least, relying heavily on their inimitable old-fashioned Yankees style of high-priced, long-term free agents," he told reporters.
  • Also within Speier's article, Lucchino does give way to the possibility that the Red Sox could make future splashes of that significance in free agency, however it would be more as an exception to the rule than the start of a trend.


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106 Comments on "Lucchino On Selig, Ortiz, Lester, Yanks, Free Agents"


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danistheguy
1 year 4 months ago

Very different animals! That’s rich.

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GeronimoJansen
1 year 4 months ago

“Very different animals” — These past two offseasons have seen stark differences between the spending habits of the Red Sox and Yanks, but on a much grander scale, they’re essentially the same two-headed monster from the northeast (except the Yankees have more championships to show for it).

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LazerTown
1 year 4 months ago

Agree.
RS always try to make themselves look like the little guys, but for past 10 years they have been right up at top of league in spending. When you are top 5 spenders every year you can tell yourself all you want, but your not running a brilliant low payroll club.

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Croagnut
1 year 4 months ago

They’re not saying they’re a “low payroll club”. They’re saying they’re tired of being put in the same sentence as the Yankees. Big difference. Especially after Spendfest ’14.

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

Boston has totally gone draft 1st since henry bought the team. Have been a Sox fan since the early 60’s. never, ever has the team put so much into the development as they now have.

Duquette would have LOVED to have had the resources for example as did Epstein and now Cherrington, just look at who they have graduated from the system, even traded away in deals as to the small handful the NYY have the last 10 years? Boston has put multiple AS, even league MVP’s from their farm system into the league and the Yanks have barely put league average regulars. The systems are totally different. NY STILL counts on checkbook policy, while Boston is using farm system 1st. They are totally different.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

“Boston has put multiple AS, even league MVP’s from their farm system
into the league and the Yanks have barely put league average regulars.” Since when are Jeter, Cano, and Mo ‘league average’

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

Jeter and Rivera are before Henry took over. Yep on Cano.. I missed that one..

I was posting about player graduated from the systems post ’02, developed by the teams after then. The numbers by Henry and Co. are astounding.

Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez (in Beckett deal)

Pedroia, Ells, Papelbon, Lester I can go on, but you get the idea.

I agree with you 100% during the mid 90’s when Steinbrenner had all those picks, they drafted and went International well, but they got away from it and never went back. There is talk of them spending huge this year. Maybe go back to it again? It would be nice to see them start to develop their own once again.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

Robertson and Gardner? Omit Ellsbury’s 2011 season and he is basically Gardner. I really don’t think their international spending is going to have an impact on the Yankees anytime soon. Those guys won’t come up until the next 4-5 years.

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

Do you think Gardner will get 150m after this season? Just curious.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

Who would have thought Ellsbury would?

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

Am with you there. rumor was Boston wasn’t going over between 75-100m.

Edit:

I do hope NY can find a way to keep him. He’s a decent all around player, but think he’s going to end up around what Bourn got at the end (4 50-60m)

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

I agree. He is one of my favorite players on the current Yankee roster, I wouldn’t want to see him leave.

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Guest
1 year 4 months ago

Newsflash: Red Sox knew Ellsbury/Boras wouldn’t accept the 100mil offer before his last season. It was a PR move “Well, we tried”. MLBTR predicted Ells to get more than 142mil. So I think 150 was quite a reasonable expectation.

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1 year 4 months ago

Many people.

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CJ
1 year 4 months ago

I’m always amazed at the delusional yankee fans comparing Gardner and Ellsbury. Get a clue!!! Pay attention! You will find out this year when you see that Ellsbury is an elite athlete and player.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

How is Ellsbury far better than Gardner? Could you explain that to me? Their defensive WAR’s are nearly INDENTICAL. Both barely hit for power, and are capable of leading the league in stolen bases.

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CJ
1 year 4 months ago

Gardners OPS is .733 below average for his career. Hes far below as a fielder and is being replaced in center in 2014 by Ellsbury. Only delusional yankee fans are cherrypicking WAR stats to try to compare them. Ellsbury is a .300 hitting GG level centerfielder. Gardner isn’t.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

Gardner’s OPS in 2013 was .759 and Ellsbury’s was .781 Gardner hit 33 doubles Ellsbury hit 31. Gardner hit 10 triples, Ellsbury hit 8. GG awards prove nothing. How is Gardner far below as a fielder? Ellsbury is not a lifetime .300 hitter, he has only hit above .300 twice in his career. Stats prove he is almost the exact same player as Jacoby Ellsbury.

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CJ
1 year 4 months ago

stats don’t prove that!!!! gardner is a .381 slugger lifetime and ells is way better at .432 ops is way better. Ellsbury is lifetime .298 hitter. Gardner .268???? what part of mediocre don’t you get about gardner?

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

If you look at the numbers he put up last year, his average was higher than .268. He isn’t mediocre like you are making him out to be. His wins above replacement last year was at 4.2. Here is the WAR scale. According to this, Gardner is an “All-Star”

Scrub 0-1 WAR
Role Player 1-2 WAR
Solid Starter 2-3 WAR
Good Player 3-4 WAR
All-Star 4-5 WAR
Superstar 5-6 WAR
MVP 6+ WAR

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MB923
1 year 4 months ago

WAR per 162 games

Gardner – 4.7
Ellsbury – 5.4

Sure Ellsbury is better but it’s not like he is light years ahead.

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Vmmercan
1 year 4 months ago

I don’t understand how because it was former Red Sox owners, that somehow eliminates the Yankees’ past? Especially from a draft? Are you implying had the Sox been under new ownership in the late 90’s they would have taken Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte etc?

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

That isn’t at all what was saying. I was saying in all of those posts that previous ownerships, even the ywkey ones were hindered in one way or the other regarding amateur talent, either $$$, or development scouts, infrastructure, etc.. The henry group is the 1st to put it all together.

Yawkey would spend unlimited amounts, but he had little infrastructure in place. Duquette? He seemed to be able to spend a fair amount IFA wise, but little on the Rule 4. Gorman was always zig zagging between nothing and little to nothing under Sullivan.

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Vmmercan
1 year 4 months ago

I get that prior ownership was dysfunctional, but that has nothing to do with the Yankees.

“Jeter and Rivera are before Henry took over. Yep on Cano.. I missed that one..”

This would seem to imply Jeter and Rivera don’t count because Henry wasn’t in Boston. Well if we’re choosing an arbitrary year of 2001 (conveniently after the Yankees won four championships) we should probably also choose an arbitrary year of 1996. You can measure Boston success under Boston’s current regime, but that doesn’t somehow eliminate what NY did or didn’t do.

And while we’re comparing from 2001 arbitrarily, yes, Boston won three championships to the Yankees one, but division titles are what, nine to two? Playoff appearances: 11-8 or so? I guess I just don’t get that some Boston fans are arguing one thing and other ones are arguing something entirely different.

The Sox have a better farm system and a better record in 2013, that should be where the current argument ends. If you bring history into it, you lose, period.

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

No doubt overall NY has done better throughout total history and you see one of my posts above MENTION THAT.

I posted to start all this off how well Henry’s ownership has done.. nothing else and it seems to have hit a nerve or something. It is true if NYY fans will look back 10-11 seasons. I am not trying to be hateful, mean spirited, anything like that and even mentioned will be glad when/if they do spend huge this coming season (as rumored) on IFA talent.

Edit:

Actually it’s a few posts below this one

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Michael Lucas Jr.
1 year 4 months ago

While I agree about the draft & player development being a huge part of this team now there was a time when they started tilting back towards that other direction. When they first bought the team & hired Theo Epstein as the GM they absolutely focused on the draft & player development. But after winning it all in 2004 they started making horrible moves. I’m still pissed about the trade that sent Masterson & Hagadone to the Indians for Martinez. They figured Victor would be that middle of the order bat & 1st baseman of the future. Then they turn around & let him go & trade Casey Kelly & Anthony Rizzo to the Padres for Gonzalez while signing Crawford & Jenks to those disgusting contracts. I think that may be one of the reasons Theo wanted out because ownership wanted to spend & compete with the Yanks every year. You can add the Lackey & Matsuzaka contracts in there as well. But since the Dodgers bailed us out combined with the past few drafts they have gotten extremely better. I know people like to think that us Red Sox fans over value our prospects but you can’t help but be excited about the future of this team when you look at it’s top 10-15 prospects.

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Fangaffes
1 year 4 months ago

Yankees have more championships? Not this century.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

Why should we have to ignore all the previous ones?

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Victoria Roberts
1 year 4 months ago

Largely because we are discussing the teams as they stand now. Mo, Jeter and Cano were great, but as of next year none of them will be wearing a Yankees jersey. It’s not about what have you done for me ever, it’s about what have you done for me lately.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

“Largely because we are discussing the teams as they stand now.” No. He is talking about championships in this century, many of the titles the Red Sox/Yankees won involved players that are no longer on the roster so I’m not really seeing your point.

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Rally Weimaraner
1 year 4 months ago

It is not fair to completely ignore the Yankees old championships but the MLB was very different before the league and rule changes of the late 1960s and early 1970s. The Yankees have a great franchise history but winning a WS in 1923 and 2013 are very different.

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Riaaaaaa
1 year 4 months ago

I agree, but why should 1996,1998,1999, and 2000 be ignored when talking about the past?

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Rally Weimaraner
1 year 4 months ago

Never said they should be. Ignoring 1996, 1998, 1999 and 2000 is just as bad as flaunting 21 championship rings won prior to the implementation of modern MLB rules.

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johnsilver
1 year 4 months ago

Not even really modern, but pre 1970 amateur rules.

The NYY and LAD/Brooklyn Dodgers had better talent in their respective farm systems than did several MLB teams and owners knew it, that is why the draft came about to begin with.

Those 2 teams had huge amounts of talent to draw upon.

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Croagnut
1 year 4 months ago

Because the current Red Sox ownership came into being in Dec 2001 (2002 season). Noones trying to deny Yankees championships last century. But they are not relevant when Lucchino is talking about how they’re doing business NOW.

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Red_Line_9
1 year 4 months ago

The game gets tougher with an amateur draft, and without Kansas City acting as a farm club.

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JacobyWanKenobi
1 year 4 months ago

You say century like it’s a large time frame, but you’re talking about 14 years.

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Hugh Langin
1 year 4 months ago

any time you start talking about how great your past was you’ve already lost. No matter how many times you tell it to yourself the only thing that really matters in sports is the present. The Cubs could win the world series this year and they would give 2 craps about how many NY, Boston, or St. Louis has. Yes the Yankees are one of the most storied franchises in sports history…but talking about a bunch of championships you had no part in and many of you weren’t even alive for is getting old. You sound like Al Bundy talking up his 4 touchdowns in high school. It’s all about the present.

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I Want My Bird
1 year 4 months ago

I figured out Ortiz’s angle. He’s looking to buy the entire Dominican Republic. This way, any prospects from there that sign a MLB contract will owe him 10%. He’s just a bidness man!

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JamieFC
1 year 4 months ago

Selig will be 80 in July. He’s done well during his tenure, but I think it’s about time that he retires. It becomes harder and harder to properly run a multi-billion dollar organization as you age into your 80s.

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1 year 4 months ago

“It becomes harder and harder to properly run a multi-billion dollar organization as you age into your 80s.” <– because you have run a multi-billion dollar organization, or aged into your 80's?

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Yankees420
1 year 4 months ago

Have you experienced firsthand everything you’ve ever inferred or claimed?

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RC
1 year 4 months ago

Make no mistake, the Red Sox do spend money. Much more money than most of the teams in baseball. But I think the point is the Red Sox spend in a way very different from the Yankees. Shorter deals for the most part. The Red Sox only owe 1 player more than 32M going forward, meanwhile the Yankees owe 7 players 45M or more going forward. (that one player being Pedroia for the Red Sox)

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RC
1 year 4 months ago

not saying that there’s anything wrong with either philosophy

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Bleed_Orange
1 year 4 months ago

In all fairness the only reason that is the case is because LA took on Agon and Crawford…. up until last off season the Red Sox spent like the Yankees and looked to have quite a few bad contracts they would have to live with… LA gave them a mulligan

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RC
1 year 4 months ago

Cherington and Theo are very different GMs. There has been a noticeable change in philosophy since Theo left to Chicago.

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Hugh Langin
1 year 4 months ago

Yes but the Sox still were pretty good about staying under the luxury tax. They also focused more on player development while the Yankees focused more on free agency.