AL Notes: Extensions, Lester, O’s, Tigers

A long-term agreement between Mike Trout and the Angels would carry upside and risk for both player and club, Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times writes. Agent Paul Cohen, whose clients include Evan Longoria and Troy Tulowitzki, tells DiGiovanna he's generally in favor of such deals. "Our view is you never turn down your first fortune, especially if you can keep your free agent years intact at age 29 or 30," Cohen comments. However, Scott Boras chimes in to argue that such deals often benefit teams. Boras discloses that the Indians attempted to extend his client Shin-Soo Choo with a deal in the $27MM-$42MM range. Choo, of course, waited and cashed in this offseason with a seven-year, $130MM free agent deal with the Rangers. Here are more notes from around the majors:


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MB923
1 year 5 months ago

“”The run differential is more reflective of the talent on the field. When you overperform, like the Orioles did [in 2012], you realize that’s more of an anomaly,” Cashman told the New York Post on Tuesday. “And last year was a market correction.”

Wonder if he happened to know his 2013 Yankees were outscored.

jjs91
1 year 5 months ago

He did which was the context of his statement…

“Our team over-performed last year,” general manager Brian Cashman said
Tuesday, before the Yankees defeated Florida State, 8-3, at Steinbrenner
Field. “It’s a credit to everybody involved in that process. But the
record didn’t reflect the talent. And so when you take a sledgehammer to
the roster like we did this winter and spend the money we did, it’s
more reflective of recognizing. Of not being fooled.”

jjs91
1 year 5 months ago

He did, as it was the context of his statement.

orangeoctober
1 year 5 months ago

if hes only talking about run differential, then the orioles were much much better last year than 2012.

Mike1L
1 year 5 months ago

Given the numbers they are talking about with Trout, Boras is probably wrong. Trout could get more if everything falls into place and he becomes a free agent, but an extension makes him insanely rich with an opportunity to get even richer.

Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1 year 5 months ago

Well, the Rangers overpaid for Choo and the Yankees overpaid for Ellsbury…
Not sure how it helps the game though? While they are both very good players, their exorbitant salaries are really a big turn off.
As for what Cashman said, meh so what. I look forward to the season and some very competitive games!

homer
homer
1 year 5 months ago

Scott Boras should worry less about what may benefit teams and more about what benefits his clients and the two are not always synonymous. A deal that benefits both team and player typically is welcomed by everyone fans included. No one wins when one side gets raked over the coals. It seems to be more important to Boras that “he wins” versus his client.

baycommuter
1 year 5 months ago

Has Scott Boras ever heard of the diminishing marginal value of money? If you have essentially zero, $50 million is worth basically the same amount as $100 million–you can buy whatever you need for the rest of your life either way. If you already have $50 million–it’s different, the money hardly matters but getting the highest salary becomes more a matter of pride.

Eric
1 year 5 months ago

If one has a great rookie season, he still only has around $600k made before taxes and agent fees. Signing for many million guaranteed is worth the trade off for a bigger payday. Money has diminishing marginal value. That first million you make is not equal to your 101st million.

Keith Richards
1 year 5 months ago

Choo didn’t play for the Indians last season.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

He is talking about Choo (and Ellsbury) turning down offers in their first 2 arbitration years, and for Choo that was when he was still with the Indians.

MaineSkin
1 year 5 months ago

Who cares if it benefits the team. Does everyone remember Siezemore? Lynn? Erik Davis? If you can get an 8yr $20M deal and you say no, there is absolutely no crying if his fortunes may turn. We are not talking the Rizzo or Moore type friendly deals now, this is a huge contract based on 2yrs of production and enabling another massive deal at 29/30.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

Having a winning record while being outscored (2013 Yankees) is Under performing???

snowbladerp14
1 year 5 months ago

having a 200+ million dollar payroll and not winning 90 games is under preforming yes

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

Except that $200 million payroll team was never on the field without missing probably at least 3-4 key players from the lineup each game.

Too bad talent/value isn’t based on how much money a player makes, cause that would mean Marlon Byrd is 8x better than Mike Trout and Joe Blanton is about 12x better than Jose Fernandez

snowbladerp14
1 year 5 months ago

right but a 200 million payroll should mean that you have a proven talented group.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

And they did….problem was, that “talented group” probably had at least 3-4 replacement players in their lineup every game. Too many injures. Some with aging (Jeter, A-Rod), some fluke (Granderson).

snowbladerp14
1 year 5 months ago

so i guess their GM under preformed

Croagnut
1 year 5 months ago

When your team spends 200 million, and much of it on old players, you have to blame mgmt for giving out those poor contracts. You can’t use injuries as an excuse.

You’re constantly on Red Sox for finishing out of the playoffs 3 of the past 5 years. Red Sox have had a string of injuries, during that time. But I don’t blame bad luck. They shouldn’t have moved Youk to 3B, Ellsbury to LF, extended Beckett and Lowell or converted Bard to SP. Thats not bad luck, thats poor personnel decisions.

Looking forward, Yankees will still have the excuse of the ‘injury bug’ again. Jeter, Sabathia, Roberts, Beltran, ARod, Kuroda, Sorano or maybe fragile Ellsbury or overworked Tanaka. Thats a lot of question marks. Some of them will remain completely healthy, but other ones won’t. You can’t blame it on injuries, thats poor mgmt decisions, if they have all these old players, and no strategy for when they break down.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

Yeah it’s the GM’s fault that his players got injured.

I guess Ben Cherington was a terrible GM in 2012 then.

snowbladerp14
1 year 5 months ago

its the gms fault that he has so many aging players yes

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

And yet most of those aging players still put up some great numbers either that year or the previous year (I’m referring to the 2013 roster going Into the season with Pettitte, Rivera, Jeter (though he got hurt again but I guess that’s Cashman’s fault) and Kuroda. So that makes that part of your argument moot.

Since you like to argue money, I’d like to see how your team would do if their 3 highest paid players played a total of 76 games Combined!

snowbladerp14
1 year 5 months ago

the orioles didnt get much out of 2 of their top 5 paid players last year

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

“When your team spends 200 million, and much of it on old players, you have mgmt for giving out those poor contracts. You can’t use injuries as an excuse”

What does the amount of a team’s payroll have to do with injuries? Players get injured all the time from All teams. I don’t understand your point there.

“Don’t use the injury bug as a crutch.”

I won’t unless practically all of them are on the DL at once, kind of like how Granderson, Teixeira, A-Rod and Jeter never played a single game together They played 137 games COMBINED.

Here’s what’s even crazier, no 2 of these guys were ever in the same lineup at once until August 5th. And not once all of last year were 3 of them in the same lineup

May the best team win. Red Sox got fortunate that most of their key players (some injury prone) pretty much remained healthy last year and they won it all as a result. We’ll see what comes in 2014

RyanWKrol
1 year 5 months ago

Injuries are a fact. Not an excuse. The Yankees have the payroll they have because they have to pay marquee players to keep their fans coming to the ballpark. And in doing so, winning 90+ games a season for almost 20 years in a row has kept their top draft picks in the low first round, if any at all. Just because a handful of key players got injured doesn’t mean those are bad contracts, nor does it mean bad management. Injuries happen. The Yankees HAVE to pay what they pay. It’s the way the Yankees have done business for decades. And it’s paid off way more than what happened in 2013. They’ve had great management. Every team has a strategy for when players get injured. But you can’t expect the same results from replacements. If you do get those results, it means you’re just lucky. I’d say the one pointing blame here is the one pointing the finger at management for things they can’t control.

RyanWKrol
1 year 5 months ago

Injuries are a fact. Not an excuse. The Yankees have the payroll they have because they have to pay marquee players to keep their fans coming to the ballpark. And in doing so, winning 90+ games a season for almost 20 years in a row has kept their top draft picks in the low first round, if any at all. Just because a handful of key players got injured doesn’t mean those are bad contracts, nor does it mean bad management. Injuries happen. The Yankees HAVE to pay what they pay. It’s the way the Yankees have done business for decades. And it’s paid off way more than what happened in 2013. They’ve had great management. Every team has a strategy for when players get injured. But you can’t expect the same results from replacements. If you do get those results, it means you’re just lucky. I’d say the one pointing blame here is the one pointing the finger at management for things they can’t control.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

Bailey did okay and Hanrahan was terrible. Losing Hanrahan was addition by subtraction.

Missing 30 is not uncommon. I think I read most “everyday players” on average play 130-140 games a year. This was a while back so I can’t remember where I got it from unfortunately.

Also, missing 30 is a lot lot less than missing about 100-130

And you’re right some of it has to do with old age, though keep in mind the older players that did play for the Yankees were pretty effective (except Ichiro), and that includes Pettitte, Rivera, Kuroda, and Soriano.

Your best pitcher was your oldest pitcher, and your best hitter was your oldest hitter, and while the sample size (games) is small, they were the LCS and WS MVP. I know that’s not really relevant to the discussion though I thought I’d point it out anyway and I don’t think you’d disagree.

RyanWKrol
1 year 5 months ago

Teams that win 90+ games year after year for almost 2 decades straight are going to have their farm systems depleted no matter what they do. Plus, even if the Yankees had a deep farm system, it wouldn’t matter. When you’re missing 4-5 key players for a long period of time all at once, those prospects (even if they’re top prospects) are not giving the same production all at once. Because they’re rookies.

When you say players like Victorino and Drew missing 30, you’re also saying they played 130. That’s about average for most successful full time major leaguers. Those aren’t significant losses. Injured Yankees missed more like 100 or more. Jeter, Granderson, Teixeira, and Youkilis all missed over 100. That’s a knock out blow for any team.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

So, umm…they under performed and I guess that’s the GM’s fault (according to you. if it’s like that way for 1 team, it’s gotta be that way for all teams)

Croagnut
1 year 5 months ago

1) Red Sox oldest starter last year was Dempster. Besides, Lester (3.0 WAR), not Lackey (2.8 WAR) was the Red Sox best pitcher. Its the reason that all three of the playoff series were started by him. And he is the 4th oldest starter.

2) Hanrahan had 76 saves between ’11 and ’12. He was the closer going into the season. You can’t look at his numbers from ’13 and make any judgement, he was pitching with a torn labrum. Besides, if he did falter they had Bailey to step in. But they both went down. Sox had to go with Alfredo ‘Satan’ Aceves for a while.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

I said best Pitcher, not best Starter. IMO I think Koji had the best season (for the Sox) but an argument can be made for Lester I guess.

slashieboy .
1 year 5 months ago

Hanrahan is a National League pitcher. Thats like AA.

Croagnut
1 year 5 months ago

Ah, thought you were getting at Lackey.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

My bad if I wasn’t clear enough.

Kind of like how 3 of the best Yankee pitchers last year were their 3 oldest pitchers in Rivera, Pettitte and Kuroda. Sometimes those old vets can have great seasons still. Much reason they still play in their 40’s (Kuroda is not there yet but he will be this year I think)

Croagnut
1 year 5 months ago

Good debate tonite. Gotta crash. Give you last word.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

Thanks. You too.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

Thanks. You too.

Spit Ball
1 year 5 months ago

“Teams that win 90+ games year after year for almost 2 decades straight are going to have their farm systems depleted no matter what they do.” That is simply not true. Please look at the Atlanta Braves. They almost ALWAYS have one of the best farm systems, influx of young players on the MLB roster. The Yankees have had a terrible record with international prospects over the last decade or so compared to other teams. The St. Louis Cardinals would be another example of a team who has stayed extremely competitive despite winning a lot. If you look at the Rays and Red Sox, both have done more with compensation picks and rounds 1-5 than the Yankees. I think the Yankees have a real problem with player development. Look at their track record the last decade.

MB923
1 year 5 months ago

I agree, their farm system and player development has been pretty bad (though they did happen to develop the best 2B in baseball in the last 10 years….along with one of the best defensive OFers and one of the best relievers). Aside from that, not much

Though here is something that’s an interesting note as far as draft picks go

# of top 20 overall picks since 1996
Cardinals – 11
Rays – 10
Red Sox – 7
Braves – 2 (though both came in the last 7 years)
Yankees – 1 (2005, that’s it)

The Yankees have had 22 straight winning seasons. The next highest is 6 (tie between Cardinals and Rays).

Croagnut
1 year 5 months ago

Would you tell them that. NL has won 4 out of last 6 World Series. Double A ball clubs shouldn’t be beating Major League clubs.