Ervin Santana Rumors: Thursday

Let's take a look at the latest on the best arm left on the market, starter Ervin Santana.

  • Seemingly contradicting Alou, Dionisio Soldevila of ESPNDeportes.com reports (Twitter links) that Santana has fired Stringfellow. Santana does not have plans to hire a replacement, and could negotiate his own deal, according to Soldevila.
  • Another of Santana's reps at Proformance, Jay Alou, tweets that there has been "no change" in Santana's representation. "Ervin Santana is still represented by the same person that he first signed with 15 years ago," wrote Alou.

Earlier Updates

  • Santana is now considering a change of representation, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Santana is currently represented by Proformance. We heard from Proformance managing director Bean Stringfellow recently, as he spoke in strong terms about his determination to land Santana a contract befitting his talent, and said they had discussed the possibility of waiting to sign until after the June amateur draft (to shed the draft pick compensation tied to Santana).
  • The Blue Jays are still unlikely even to make Santana an offer, reports Gregor Chisholm of MLB.com. Though GM Alex Anthopoulos said that he has still had some contact with the representatives of some free agents, he added that "I don't think we have anything active."
  • Updating the market situation of Santana, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com writes that teams still in touch with Santana include the MarinersOriolesRockiesRangers, and aforementioned Blue Jays. Stringfellow weighed in to say that Santana was dealing well with the wait. "He's concentrating on his workout," he said. "Obviously, he'd rather be in camp, as he's always in camp at this time. But he understands the process, and the business aspect of it. He's doing well."
  • Though the Orioles would have no problem sacrificing a third-round pick to add Santana, reports Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun, the team has not engaged in "real dialogue" over the past few days. As with the team's previous signing of compensation free agents, Baltimore is looking to achieve value in any deal.


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46 Comments on "Ervin Santana Rumors: Thursday"


Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

I think changing agents is probably a wise move on his part. Sounds like Mr. Stringfellow is a bit on the stubborn side.

JoshReddicksWalkupSong
1 year 4 months ago

While I don’t disagree with you, each decision is ultimately up to the player. I would venture to guess Santana is a bit egotistical, which is partially the reason why he’s in this position in the first place.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Maybe. Or it could be the agent has too much of his ego tied up in getting the deal he wants, and the player doesn’t have the self-confidence to remind him who works for whom.

wallywhack
1 year 4 months ago

Or the guy knows his value and is forced to wait until draft pick compensation becomes a non-issue. Why sign for less than you’re worth?

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Because maybe you’re not worth what you think you’re worth.

robbyb
1 year 4 months ago

I agree.. But the real issue is that clubs have overpaid for talent in the past (and a couple contracts this off season). I think we are seeing a real shift.

harmony55
1 year 4 months ago

Or teams have decided to keep a large chunk of revenues that have skyrocketed with the new TV deals. Any shift would seem to be away from player salaries to increased profits for management. One issue is whether overall payroll increases have kept pace with revenue increases.

Chris Schauble
1 year 4 months ago

Because signing in June would cost Irvin money, as he will not get a full year’s salary. I doubt he would get a multi year deal mid way through the season.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 4 months ago

Ervin should just sign a one year deal the day after opening day then he can hit the FA market next year with no QO and more realistic expectations. I have no doubt that had Santana been looking for a 4/50 type deal at the outset of the offseason he would have found it.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

A multi-year deal with an opt-out if he is traded mid-season is also a possibility.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 4 months ago

I get the sense Irvin care more about how much he gets paid than where he plays so an opt-out if traded doesn’t make much sense.

Dawson Carlson
1 year 4 months ago

LOL BEAN STRINGFELLOW

Huff's dog
1 year 4 months ago

There was a time when people used to pick on my last name. Then, Ryan Sandberg came along. Now, I can brag about it, saying “I share the same last name as a HOFer”.

Koby2
1 year 4 months ago

*Ryne

wadesawko
1 year 4 months ago

This is where I don’t understand what is happening in Seattle. What is the starting 5? Felix, Paxton….. Scott Baker, Randy Wolf, Erasmo Ramirez? Why sign Cano…. Seriously.

Ichiroll
1 year 4 months ago

Iwakuma, Walker..?

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 4 months ago

Injured?

Ichiroll
1 year 4 months ago

Indeed, but it’s not as if they’re lost causes. Iwakuma is expected to miss a month, and Walker hasn’t even been diagnosed with anything terribly threatening.. That’s about as optimistic as I’ll get, because that being said, I’m pretty damn worried.

The_Unnatural
1 year 4 months ago

He restarted his program today, so I doubt it’s serious.

docmilo5
1 year 4 months ago

Noesi, Beavan?!?!?!?!?!
Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!

The M’s have the money to overpay Santana for 1 year with say 2 option years that are guaranteed if he’s traded. But seriously, I’m not interested in Santana for 4 or 5 years.

King Kyle
1 year 4 months ago

Looks like you conveniently chose to ignore the recent injuries to Iwakuma and Walker who were each likely (Iwakuma, without doubt) going to be apart of the starting rotation.

realadultfeelings
1 year 4 months ago

For some reason MLBTR didn’t include The Mariners in the list of teams mentioned in Heyman’s story but they are there.

Quote: “The Mariners, Rockies, Rangers and Jays are among other teams to remain in contact with Santana, who’s been described by personal friends as “cool, calm and collected” by nature.”

harmony55
1 year 4 months ago

Six Mariner pitchers have combined to start Seattle’s nine Spring Training games thus far, posting an aggregate ERA of 1.14 despite the absence of Hisashi Iwakuma and Taijuan Walker. The early spring starts have been of the 2- and 3-inning variety, but no starter has surrendered more than one run this spring. The 7-2 Mariners should have some depth with the return of Iwakuma and Walker.

The_Unnatural
1 year 4 months ago

It’s spring training, dude.

Tony Matias
1 year 4 months ago

It’s simple. Because the M’s don’t want to be saddle bagged to a guy for 4 years when they’re high on younger players in the system. You bite on a Santana deal and you’ve limited those youngsters with significantly lower dollar signs attached.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Why someone hasn’t signed him with the intent of trading him mid-season is a little mysterious to me. Someone who doesn’t have a 1st rounder at risk. Unless the guy’s arm falls off, you’re going to get far more in a mid-season trade than you can expect from a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 4 months ago

If a team signs Santana to the 4/50 type deal he is asking for and he performs like 2012, 2010, 2009 or 2007 Santana he will be untradeable. Sign and trade mid-season guys are normally brought in on low salary 1 year deals.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Hence the opt out if he’s traded.

craigcounsellhitsbombs
1 year 4 months ago

I just feel like waiting until June is a trap. Come June, the teams that need/want him now may have some unknown-sleeper-rookie step into a starter role and emerge as a front of the rotation type-guy. At that point, most teams will only want to sign him for the stretch run, putting him in the same situation next offseason.

westcoastwhitesox
1 year 4 months ago

I wonder if Mr. Stringfellow or Santana burned some bridges in prior years or earlier in this offseason, to the point that GMs would rather go with inferior pitching options rather than help those two obtain a market value contract. I’d imagine GM’s can be just as stubborn as agents or players….

abes_seed
1 year 4 months ago

Question… Are teams able to work out a deal with Santana saying that we will sign you for such and such amount if you just wait til June to avoid losing the pick?

1 year 4 months ago

Considering that handshake agreements to not offer the QO are banned, I think it’s safe to say that this would be too if word got out.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Handshake deals to not offer the QO are “banned” like 4th of July fireworks are “banned” in many places. It’s literally impossible to enforce, as both sides have every incentive to claim it never took place. I bet they happen frequently. AJ Burnett almost certainly got one of these promises from the Pirates.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Handshake deals to not offer the QO are “banned” like 4th of July fireworks are “banned” in many places. It’s literally impossible to enforce, as both sides have every incentive to claim it never took place. I bet they happen frequently. AJ Burnett almost certainly got one of these promises from the Pirates.

George Vander Buist
1 year 4 months ago

Hopefully Ervin is looking at what Nelson Cruz turned down in qualifying offer, turned down in multi-year offers only to settle for a one year deal far below what he turned down…

ed27
1 year 4 months ago

Santana, despite having several slightly above average seasons and one pretty good one, has had two awful years as well. Trying to ask for 4 years at around $12 million per season is a lot of cash for a guy with his track record. History dictates at least 1 terrible year, probably another below average and maybe, if the team is lucky two above average. It just doesn’t make sense.

Seamaholic
1 year 4 months ago

Give me a pitcher who doesn’t have a bad year from time to time, and I’ll give you a pitcher who is gonna make $100m in free agency. Everyone has bad years, and he’s only had one in the past four, a period in which he’s changed his repertoire and gotten many more GB’s. What Santana doesn’t give you is time on the DL, and for that as well he’s quite valuable.

ed27
1 year 4 months ago

You might be right but if I were a GM in the AL East (O’s, Jays) I wouldn’t sign him because I think he would post a year more like 2012 than 2014. He is durable but so is Bronson Arroyo, a guy who has won at least 12 games in 5 of the last 6 years pitching in a park that is a launching pad (National League of course, which makes things a bit easier). Perhaps GMs are making some comparisons with Arroyo and are reluctant to pay as much as Santana and Bean Stringfellow desire.

1 year 4 months ago

If I were a GM that was interested, I’d offer him 2/20 with an affordable club option and say take it or leave it. Switching agents reeks desperations that waiting until June won’t fix.

"Bobby"
1 year 4 months ago

It would be nice if Tribe brought in another arm (provided they sign Masterson first). Santana pitched a no-no at Progressive Field…

"Bobby"
1 year 4 months ago

It would be nice if Tribe brought in another arm (provided they sign Masterson first). Santana pitched a no-no at Progressive Field…

East Coast Bias
1 year 4 months ago

I think the lineup he faced has more to do with it than the location.

East Coast Bias
1 year 4 months ago

I think the lineup he faced has more to do with it than the location.

jaysin n
1 year 4 months ago

Anthopoulous and Rogers need to take their heads out of their hind quarters; they cannot/will not win with AAA pitchers in the 4 and 5 spots.

jaysin n
1 year 4 months ago

Anthopoulous and Rogers need to take their heads out of their hind quarters; they cannot/will not win with AAA pitchers in the 4 and 5 spots.