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David 30
There is zero chance the Nationals go to a grievance hearing with Bryce Harper. They’ll either grant him arbitration or reach some sort of extension (just arb years, Boras won’t extend long-term). I think that was the conclusion of the original Washington Post report by Kilgore, too.
Rally Weimaraner
With Boras as his agent, a grievance hearing is certainly a possibility. It wouldn’t be Boras first grievance hearing and its doubtful he will lower his absurd asking prices to get an extension done, even if it just for Harper’s arb years.
David 30
No, it’s not. The grievance would be about the Nationals refusing Harper arbitration. They could simply grant him arbitration and avoid the hearing. That will almost certainly happen, if an extension can’t be reached. His agent really doesn’t matter all that much in the whole thing.
Derpy
Super two is a bad thing for baseball. I hope it goes away. I’m sick of the top level talent having to sit in AAA for two, three, or four extra months just to save the dumb arb money. Most of these players aren’t even going to finish their arb years, anyhow. They are going to get locked up in contracts that buy out arb years, plus a year or three of free agency. The rules should be rewritten to account for this. Spending more time in AAA should be based upon readiness for MLB, not to save money in arbitration.
LazerTown
Certain teams will always try to get the best outcome. No matter where the cutoff is teams will always push right up to the barrier. There is no real solid basis for saying when a player is ready for the majors. The super 2 rules allow for the player to make it to the majors faster, without the team having to truly give up a year of control.
Just look at the 19 players listed there. Out of them Donaldson and Smyly are the only good players. The rest of them are pretty much backend starters, bottom order hitters, and bullpen arms, that were pushed to the majors because of need. Teams are smarter about their top prospects, but these players aren’t going to be signing extensions. Most of these will be players that make up the bulk of free agency, the role players. Phelps has value, but he isn’t the type of player the Yankees will be rushing to lockup, and frankly they won’t care if they lose him to eventual free agency. There is too much risk in signing him to a contract, because his best is probably a solid bullpen arm, and most teams can replace that easy. You don’t give extensions to lesser players because they aren’t good enough over your AAA players to take on the risk.
Derpy
MLB incentives should go to teams that are putting the best possible team on the field, not to those who play these metagames with roster construction. When high end prospects are sitting in AAA just because teams are afraid of some totally arbitrary rule kicking into effect, something has gone wrong.
One possible solution is delaying the beginning of the minor league season. It would answer a lot of issues with MLB, with the potential problem of forcing minor league teams to compete with football in the fall. Staggering the beginning of minor league season would:
A: push roster expansion to the first month of the season, as opposed to last month, giving every team extra flexibility without hurting the legitimacy of the game.
B: players will become used to pitching to October
C: late season call ups will not push against inning and pitch limits for pitchers, they will be set on course to pitch to October regardless of their call up.
D: Call ups would occur a month later into the season (making super 2 essentially irrelevant).
E: Extended spring training for players who are injured or rehabbing (spring training would be open from February until May).
The major downsides would be:
A: competing with college football for attention in the fall
B: potential bad weather in the fall
C: potential loss of ticket sales, due to minor league season opening in May.
Derpy
Oh, another potential solution: super 2 players give you a bonus draft pick + bonus draft money.
Yeah, you have to pay the dude a few million more, but you get an extra sandwich pick! That’d be neat, right?
LazerTown
…….
And you think the system is gamed now. Look at these players that are super 2, most of them are not top talent. Start rewarding draft picks for having super 2 players, it won’t be the top prospects being brought up. It will most likely be more of these scrubs. Since it only includes the top 22% of players service time wise, you will always have a cutoff.
Derpy
Alright, then just give draft bonus to people who earn over x million in super 2 arb. That way it only applies to top talent.
Federal League
You could argue that teams gaming service time clocks made Super Two status a necessity in the first place.
Runtime
Oh shoot. Completely forgot that Drew Hutchison already had that much service time… time flies when you’re on the DL.