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timpa
club official says Santana signed for just $45K, while Santana’s representatives indicate it was just $37K, tweets Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN
Wonder if Santana’s handler/agent took an extra $8k lol.
tesseract
Can only take 3% by law
Rally Weimaraner
What happened to McCtuchen is unfortunate but no one seemed to care when Paul Goldschmidt’s season was cut short by 93 MPH fastball to the hands just a few days earlier. The media converge of these two occurrences has been very biased.
Karkat
The McCutchen hit was intentional. The Goldschmidt one was not.
Rally Weimaraner
How can anyone make that determination definitively?
start_wearing_purple
Goldschmidt himself stated he believed it was unintentional. But not a single person can say that about McCutchen.
WashingtonRancors
Yet the end result was worse for Goldy than Cutch.
Todd Smith
How do you figure? An accidental broken hand is worse than an intentional broken rib? We don’t even know how long McCutchen is going to be out. You think this really hurts Goldschmidt’s and the Diamondback’s chances of making the playoffs?
Jim Johnson
But we don’t really judge actions by their result, but instead of their intent. If you back out with your car and accidentally run over and kill a child that was playing behind your car, we don’t “blame” you or reprimand you. Conversely, if you purposely try to run over a child but only end up breaking his/her leg, we do blame you and reprimand you.
WashingtonRancors
“If you back out with your car and accidentally run over and kill a child that was playing behind your car, we don’t “blame” you or reprimand you.”
Yes we do, its called manslaughter! You go to jail for 20 years!
Jim Johnson
That’s def. not manslaughter. Even manslaughter requires some level of intent, or criminal mind. That would just be an accident. And we don’t blame you for accidents.
M.Kit
How so? It doesn’t really matter for the D-Backs anyway, being they’re not contending.
Karkat
The Pirates had no reason to intentionally hit Goldy (plus it was on the hands, which would be almost impossible to target intentionally anyway).
It was pretty clear that Delgado was throwing at McCutchen on the tape, though.
WashingtonRancors
Its part of the game, the Pirates ended Goldy’s season with a HBP so McCutchen got hit. Delgado hit him in the back not the head or hands where injuries are far more likely. Unfortunately McCutchen got hurt but that is part of the game. The pirates have hit far more batters this year.
Jeff Todd
Only part of the game if it’s allowed to be. It isn’t inherent to the sport.
I find it very much unnecessary.
WashingtonRancors
Well its clearly been allowed in the game. If the MLB wanted to eliminate it they need to enact much more stringent and consistent punishment for HBP.
HBP, even ones that are intentional, often carry the same punishment, single game ejection, as arguing balls and strikes with an umpire.
Karkat
It isn’t really “part of the game” to get angry about a regular play going awry and throwing at the other team. The Pirates or McCutchen didn’t break any “unwritten rule” that usually leads to these situations
Jeff Todd
This too. I know they’ve said the team was throwing up and in, but a) that’s a fair strategy, b) there was clearly (in my view) no intend and c) Goldschmidt had an opportunity to avoid the pitch. It was terribly unfortunate, but is one of those risks that is largely part of the game.
brianjoncosgrove
Fine… it’s part of the game. Cutch admitted he was expecting it going into the game. But they didn’t do it early in the game and they didn’t do it on the first pitch they threw to him in the 9th when they were down by four runs. The way they handled it was cowardly. And I’d question your view that a 95mph fast ball to the spine isn’t an intent to injure. Just because it’s been part of the game doesn’t mean it should be. Baseballs aren’t intended to be weapons.
Dustin Smith
No instead he aimed for his spine, which could end his career. It is almost impossible to intentionally hit anyone in the hands, especially by someone like frieri. its unfortunate that goldys season is done, but his injury was an accident that would not have an impact on the playoffs. Cutch’s might
oh Hal
LaRussa had Motte drill Braun in the upper spine area with a 95 plus fastball and the only noise I heard was that it was part of the game. It was in retaliation for Saito pitching in on Pujol’s hands and not hitting him and in fact getting swings.
What happened isn’t unusual and the Pirates throw intentionally at batters as well. All the hubbub is because it was McCutchen.
Todd Smith
It’s exactly this kind of thinking that makes the Diamondbacks a complete embarrassment to the game.
brianjoncosgrove
What would the Pirates incentive have been to take out Goldschmidt? And it’s imposible to aim for the batter’s hands. Meanwhile, Miguel Montero put down his middle finger and pointed it towards Cutch to signal the deliberate hit. He then moved behind Cutch as Delgado threw. It was just plain dirty. Especially since they pitched normal to Cutch after the first inside throw so he’d let his guard down. They might as well have thrown at him in the on deck circle. Even Goldschmidt didn’t look comfortable with it – cause he knew his hit wasn’t intentional.
Todd Smith
Goldschmidt was leaning in and started to check his swing when he got hit on the hands, because the pitch had a little bit of late movement on it. If Goldschmidt doesn’t start to swing, it doesn’t hit him. How can it possibly be an intentional HBP if Goldschmidt thought it was close enough to start his swing?
start_wearing_purple
Throwing a fastball intentionally at McCutchen’s back crossed a line.
Ron Loreski
And like Cutch said, “If you’re gonna hit me, hit me”. Not on the 3rd pitch of a 9th inning AB. Hitting players is part of the game, but it needs to be done the right way.
oh Hal
I never heard the idea that it’s supposed to be done early rather than late.
Karkat
Tommy Milone. AKA the piece that may have made me not hate the Lester trade if he had been included with Cespedes.
Scott Berlin
That would be alot to demand for a 2 month rental of Lester. Cespedes at least has some control.
Karkat
“Some control” only amounts to one year and Cespedes is overrated. We gave them a playoff ace and Jonny Gomes, who hits lefties much better than Cespedes hits anybody. Milone+Cespedes would’ve been a much fairer return.
Tyler 17
Lemme get this straight. You just called Yoenis Cespedes Overrated?
Karkat
He’s a slightly above-average hitter and a very good defensive corner outfielder (but a disaster in center). But everyone acts like he’s some kind of star.
Scott Berlin
An All star but he is a drastic improvement over what Sox had in their OF.
Todd Smith
Well…he did win the Home Run Derby. I mean, come on.
Scott Berlin
One year and 2 months > 2 months
Karkat
Jon Lester >>> Yoenis Cespedes
Scott Berlin
I don’t disagree with that but the fact you have another full season of Cepesdes helps make up for that.
Karkat
Not enough, is my point. Lester alone was worth more than just Cespedes.
buffalonichols
Not as a rental player he wasn’t.
unclejesse40
I know its a business, but that stinks for Milone. Ask for a trade, get it, find yourself in the same situation but on a worse team. Hope he is starting for the Twins next year, I like the guy.
Steve Adams
He’ll be starting for the Twins next week most likely.
escapingNihilism
the Cubs have been active in FA. Edwin Jackson for one, and they bid big but not enough for Tanaka
Out of place Met fan
I have been saying the Baez promotion is laying the ground work on the sales pitch to the big 3 FA pitchers. They do not need to trade off their assets they can buy the pitching they need