Hamels, Byrd Claimed On Revocable Waivers; Papelbon Clears

THURSDAY: ESPN’s Jayson Stark reports that the previous details of Hamels’ no-trade clause were slightly incorrect, however the error is notable: the Red Sox are on Hamels’ no-trade clause, while the Cubs, according to Stark, are not (Twitter link). It’s still not known if the Cubs were the team to claim Hamels, but if they are the claiming team, he would not have any veto power over a potential deal.

WEDNESDAY: Phillies ace Cole Hamels has been claimed by an unnamed team on revocable waivers, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). The Phillies will have 48.5 hours to work out a trade with the claiming team or pull Hamels back on waivers. Of course, if Hamels was claimed by any club other than the Red Sox, Angels, Nationals, Dodgers, Cardinals, Braves, Padres, Rangers or Yankees — the nine teams not included on his no-trade clause — he would have the right to veto the deal.

As Rosenthal notes, the Phillies may prefer to wait until the offseason to listen to offers on Hamels, as they’ll be free to negotiate with multiple clubs at that time rather than the lone club that has currently placed a claim on Hamels. As a reminder, waiver priority would be determined by reverse order of record, beginning with the player’s current league. In other words, the Rockies, who have the NL’s worst record, would have the first crack at claiming Hamels. Every other NL team would have a chance to do so before Hamels was made available to the team with the worst record in the AL (the Rangers).

The 30-year-old Hamels is guaranteed $90MM from 2015-18 (plus a $6MM buyout of his 2019 option) and is enjoying yet another elite season on the mound. He’s posted a 2.42 ERA (2.85 FIP, 3.16 xFIP) to go along with 9.1 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 and a 46.9 percent ground-ball rate in 137 1/3 innings. Hamels would be the ace of many staffs around the league and would appeal to a wide range of teams — even non-contenders. In his Insider-only blog today, ESPN’s Buster Olney speculated that it would behoove the Cubs to claim Hamels and try to work out a deal for the dominant southpaw, as he could serve as a building block for their rotation for several years.

Rosenthal also tweets that Marlon Byrd was claimed by an unknown team, while closer Jonathan Papelbon cleared waivers. Byrd is earning $8MM in 2014 and will earn the same in 2015, and he has an easily attainable vesting option at the same rate for the 2016 season. That obstacle proved to be problematic for Philadelphia GM Ruben Amaro Jr. while he was listening to offers on Byrd at the trade deadline this season, as he was vocal about his displeasure with the offers he received for Byrd. The 36-year-old Byrd is batting a healthy .269/.318/.474 with 21 homers and solid defense in right field. He can block trades to the Royals, Mariners, Blue Jays and Rays.

Papelbon, meanwhile, is earning $13MM in 2014 and will earn the same sum in 2015. He, too, has a vesting option at his current rate which can be easily attained if he remains healthy in 2015. Papelbon has a 1.71 ERA with 8.6 K/9, 2.5 BB/9 and a 36.7 percent ground-ball rate in 47 1/3 innings for the Phillies this season. However, he’s also thrived thanks to a .238 BABIP and an 83.3 percent strand rate while seeing his average fastball velocity dip to a career-low 91.4 mph, leading many to believe that regression is around the corner. Papelbon has a limited no-trade clause but said last month that he would be more than willing to waive that right to approve a trade to a contending club.


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216 Comments on "Hamels, Byrd Claimed On Revocable Waivers; Papelbon Clears"


Jorden
11 months 21 days ago

Please don’t think 1) Hamels claim was awarded to AL team and 2) He’ll even get a deal done with NL team that claimed him.

Dan
11 months 21 days ago

Amaro will be fired anyway..but a Hamel’s deal needs to be done right as this is the biggest piece they have to improve

gammaraze
11 months 21 days ago

Amaro will be fired?? Really?? EVERY team puts quite a few of their stars on revocable waivers in August. 1) they’re revocable. 2) you can’t try to trade them without sending them through waivers.

Dan
11 months 21 days ago

He should be. Nothing to do with him outing his guys in waivers..just would/should be fired because of the “success” of his team and the quality of his signings.

Leon Barry
11 months 20 days ago

You can only “give it one more try” so many times with an aging core. Should’ve torn it down LAST season.

gaius marius
11 months 20 days ago

situation fits the Cubs really well. Hamels is still only 30, controlled though 2018 (when he’ll be 34, so not into old age), produces WAR at better than market rate. Cubs need front line pitching and have prospects to deal. if a waiver wire deal can get done for a #1 starter, this could be it.

Rick Eger
11 months 20 days ago

Why?

Dan
11 months 21 days ago

If the Sox won the claim for him..wouldn’t be surprised if they make a legit offer. What are some packages people see as possible from teams that potentially could have claimed him?

Bleed_Orange
11 months 21 days ago

Whatever a legit offer would be it probably wouldn’t be close to what Amaro is asking for if reports are true, top 3 prospects and other pieces

Leon Barry
11 months 21 days ago

Million to 1 shot he made it all the way through to the Sox

Ace2095
11 months 21 days ago

I’m a sox fan but even I have to agree that he will most likely not make his way to the Sox. But is it me or do most Sox fans think they can trade or sign anyone at any given time?

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
11 months 21 days ago

In the defense of Red Sox fans, with the quality of their farm system they do have the ammo to acquire top talents if they became available. The question becomes whether they want to use that ammo.

Robbieb7
11 months 21 days ago

Probably 2/4 of Boegarts/Betts/Owens/Swihart and Webster or Ranaudo for Hamels and cash(around 20 million)

saidin09
11 months 21 days ago

Owens and Swihart are not going anywhere. I’m not giving up on Xander, but Sox have parted with SS before to improve team .

James
11 months 20 days ago

that would be the request, but realistically they would offer something like Kelly and Workman (and that is a good trade for hamels contract)

Jondo
11 months 21 days ago

Amaro was asking the Dodgers to take on Hamels entire contract plus give up their top three prospects. He also stated he wasn’t overvaluing his players. lol

Jeff Miller
11 months 21 days ago

For Hamels, that’s what he should be asking for. He’s fully worth the $22.5M/year and depending on the system he’s definitely worth 3-4 top prospects.

108 stitches
11 months 21 days ago

Huh the market for David Price disagrees.

Jeff Miller
11 months 21 days ago

Price didn’t have as much value as Hamels does. Would you rather have Price for 14-months and potentially lose him to free agency or have Hamels for about $100M over the next 4+ years, potentially 5+?

James
11 months 20 days ago

Price is 7m cheaper this year, and likely a few mil cheaper next. significantly younger, and likely to make less next year (has a player ever gotten more than 20m in arbitration?). Price likely will sign a similar contract to what hamels has now,

Jeff Miller
11 months 20 days ago

Sure, Price will be cheaper overall in 2014-’15. After that, I’d be surprised if he signs for less than $25M/year whether it be with the Tigers of somewhere else. Probably looking for at least 7 years as well.

108 stitches
11 months 19 days ago

This is where it kind of depends. Who was better for the Tigers? Price or Hamels? I’m going to say Price. He effects two pennant races and you don’t have to deal with him past age 30 if you don’t want/need to. Perhaps my initial remark comparing the two was unfair because it’s like apples and oranges. While Hamels contract with 4 or 5 years remaining looks good compared to what Lester, Scherzer, Price and Shields are going to get, you could also compare Hamels to someone like Sabathia. Someone define what 3 or 4 top prospects look like. The Cubs #1, 2 and 3 prospects look better than a lot of teams best prospects and to me that’s where it gets a little tricky. I know aces are expensive but 6 cost controlled years of Bryant, Simmons or Baez seems like a lot. In fairness to Hamels his velocity has not even come down a bit. I’m torn and I’m a fan of neither team.

Zac
11 months 21 days ago

The sox would be better off going after one of the 2 top free agent pitchers than giving up 3 top prospects. He’s a very good pitcher but not an ace.

raltongo
11 months 20 days ago

he’s an Ace. plain and simple. especially if he came into the Red Sox rotation. Apparently the Sox do not want to spend the 140+million that it will take to sign the FA top pitchers, which is why the Lester-back-to-Boston is not a foregone conclusion. Their other option, then, is to deal from their prospect wealth to acquire Hamels. Honestly the Sox are, in my opinion, the most feasible team that can get a deal done

Zac
11 months 20 days ago

An ace is a top 10 pitcher in the league. Hamels has not even come close to winning the cy. The closest he’s come was a 5th place finish back in 2011. He’s a very good pitcher but not a true ace. Obviously he would look good in the sox rotation. Considering what they have right now, a guy off the street would look good. My point was simple. If you’re going to spend a little under 100M for Hamels while giving up your top three prospects (Betts, Swihart, Owens) then why not cough up that extra 35-40M to keep those highly praised prospects and bring back a guy who we know “can pitch in Boston and the American League East.”

Dave Traverso
11 months 20 days ago

He’s year in and year out one of the top lefties in the game as well as a World Series MVP. Please, define an “ace” for me

Zac
11 months 20 days ago

Don’t get me wrong, he’s a very good pitcher but when I define an ace, I’m thinking of a guy who’s easily a top-10 pitcher in the league, dominates his starts, and is one of the top candidates to win the cy every year. The players I view as aces are Kershaw, Greinke, Scherzer, Price, F. Hernandez, Sale, Cueto, & Wainwright. Tanaka, J. Hernandez, and Harvey are close to it but injuries have hindered their experience. I would love Hamels on my team but the closest he’s ever come to winning the cy was a 5th place vote back in 2011. I’d rather bring back Lester than give up on prospects like Swihart, Betts, & Betts.

Dave Traverso
11 months 20 days ago

A cy young award is mainly chosen on perception. Hamels has always received awful run support, which cost him a multitude of wins, and was constantly overshadowed by Roy Halladay for a large chunk of his career. I’d take Hamels over half the guys you listed. He’s a proven commodity and not an injury-riddled flash in the pan like half of the names on your list.

NotCanon
11 months 20 days ago

Not to mention Cliff Lee.

NotCanon
11 months 20 days ago

You do realize that Greinke has 1 awesome year (2009), a thoroughly good year (2013), and is currently on the verge of posting another thoroughly good year (though that could drop depending on the remaining games).

Hamels has posted an ERA+ of 130 or higher 5 times in his 8 years in the majors. Greinke has posted an ERA+ of 130 twice. Both are on pace to do it again this year (though Hamels currently has a 154, as compared to Greinke’s 131).

I’m not sure how you see Greinke as being an ace if Hamels isn’t. Even if you’re just looking at this year. Incidentally, the same applies to Price (who has an identical ERA+ to Hamels). And Scherzer. Wainright has 4 seasons over 130.

Daniel Rajan
11 months 21 days ago

Come on Angels! Let’s get that mystery team magic back!

DickieThong
11 months 21 days ago

Sure. Hamels for Trout.

Daniel Rajan
11 months 21 days ago

Trout is untouchable. Nice try. :)

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
11 months 21 days ago

someone missed the sarcasm..

Daniel Rajan
11 months 21 days ago

I didn’t miss the sarcasm. Lol.

GetToTheChoppa
11 months 21 days ago

Saying trout is untouchable says you missed the sarcasm. Should have gone with Trout for Hamels and 1 billion dollars.

James
11 months 20 days ago

trout only represents about 80m in surplus value over the course of his contract… he may be on the block for what amaro wanted for hamels (3 top 25 prospects and a big wad of cash)

Mackster248
11 months 21 days ago

Angels have no prospects to give up. Unless they want to give up ML ready talent like Calhoun+other pieces.

Daniel Rajan
11 months 21 days ago

One of Shoemaker or Santiago, Cron and a prospect. Too little or fair deal?

cruisinalong
11 months 21 days ago

only if they throw in a bag of baseballs……

Mackster248
11 months 21 days ago

Eh, still not enough. But with the little that TB got for a better pitcher in Price, I guess anything could go TBH.

108 stitches
11 months 21 days ago

Really?

jawilli31
11 months 21 days ago

Whoever said the Phillies needed ALL prospects. What, is Amaro going sacrifice some dry years ahead for that? A psuedo mixture of current with future could probably get it done, and believe not, the Halos appear to have that:
Cron, Santiago, Bedrosian, and maybe McGowin.

Bob
11 months 20 days ago

Cron isnt an NL player. That package cant even match what the dodgers could put together outside of Pederson, Urias, Seager.

Rally Weimaraner
11 months 21 days ago

I can think of at least 5 good reasons why Hamels would never be traded to the Angels:

1) no way the Dodgers didn’t put in a waiver claim
2) Angels have no prospects
3) A Hamels trade would weaken the current MLB roster
4) Hamels contract would put the Angels over the 2015 luxury tax line
5) Arte Moreno doesn’t like to spend on pitchers, Hamels would be the Angels most highly paid pitcher ever

kdub53
11 months 21 days ago

Im not saying that its going to happen, but weren’t you shocked at the albert pujols signing, that was done at the same time as C.J? Or how about the Hamilton signing? All minus maybe CJ came as a surprise to pretty much everyone. I still am saying this probably wont for the halos, but im making a point. And yes, everyone knows the angels have no prospects, im so sick of people making that washed up point. Im sure others are too. :)

msg333
11 months 21 days ago

I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if Arte tried to make a move for Hamels.
I would be terribly surprised if Hamels made it past 28 teams on the waiver wire (every team except the Oakland A’s) to reach the Angels without being claimed.
Dodgers for example don’t care about going over the luxury tax threshold and would likely gladly replace Haren with Hamels to win now.

jawilli31
11 months 21 days ago

$229,335,934 2014 Dodgers obligated payroll, with their eggs all in 1 basket upon a botched Time Warner TV deal and subscribers refusing to pay the higher cable bill says the Dodgers didn’t claim Hamels.

CDADodgers
11 months 21 days ago

If you think money is an issue for the Dodgers, you really need to look at the assets behind the Guggenheim group. As for the Time Warner TV deal, the money is guaranteed. It’s Time Warner’s issue, not the Dodgers.

It is either the Dodgers or a block by someone above them.

jawilli31
11 months 20 days ago

I need your source that shows 7 billion with the Time Warner TV deal “guaranteed.” And, if money isn’t an issue for the Dodgers, then why have we seen their many big money names put out on the waiver wire this week?

Jeff Miller
11 months 20 days ago

Most teams put just about everyone on revocable waivers.

James
11 months 20 days ago

it is not time warner, it is a seperate subsidiary. one that if they do not fix the things that Jawilli mentioned (most of the market not subscribing) they will have no way to pay the contract. Reality is that bankruptcy is a real possibility, and the dodgers will not get that offer again.

Allismileo
11 months 21 days ago

Gotta be the Pirates with Byrd.

Phillyfan425
11 months 21 days ago

That’s the logical fit. Unless someone like the Reds claimed him to block him from the Pirates (while simultaneously helping their club).

Baloo
11 months 21 days ago

A pickup of Marlon Byrd would be very good for the Reds to shore up LF.

11 months 21 days ago

I’d agree if he wasn’t under contract for 2015. They can’t afford to pay his salary for next year.

108 stitches
11 months 21 days ago

I find that quite sad for one of the oldest franchises in the history of Baseball. But you are correct.

Rick Eger
11 months 20 days ago

I don’t I hate the Reds!

Guest
11 months 21 days ago

Hamels to Rockies since they passed on Jacob Turner lol

Ivan Gomez
11 months 21 days ago

Come on Padres first pick lol yeah right

Ivan Gomez
11 months 21 days ago

He’s from SD too

dieharddodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

I doubt the Padres’ owners are looking to take on that kind of salary at this point. They need to rebuild and make a lot of other pieces of the team strong before they go for expensive free agent pieces to fill in the gaps.

James
11 months 20 days ago

not to mention that SP is their only strong suit. Ross and cashner look like aces

DickieThong
11 months 21 days ago

What about Howard? Did he get claimed? 😛

Gersh
Gersh
11 months 21 days ago

There is no way Howard gets claimed.

EightMileCats
11 months 21 days ago

I don’t see any team willing to risk Philly just giving him to the claiming team to ditch that contract….

108 stitches
11 months 21 days ago

That absolutely is what would happen.

11 months 21 days ago

“Give me everything” – Ruben Amaro

DickieThong
11 months 21 days ago

Other GMs: “All we have are these magic beans”
RAJ: “I’ll take it!”

108 stitches
11 months 21 days ago

He needs to go. None of the other GM’s even take him seriously. He’s in this position where he needs to make some great deal/deals but no one wants to do business with him because he has nothing good besides Hamels and no one wants to be the first one to be had by Ruben. The management team needs to be gutted and rebuilt. Player development, everything. They need to do what the Cubs did a few years back. It’s going to be a football and hockey town for a few years.

James
11 months 20 days ago

they have some things of value… Crawford, Biddle, Franco, Quinn, Nola… my bet is that Amaro was told that the minute he trys to trade one of them he is fired

schaddy24
11 months 21 days ago

Hopefully the Rockies passed on Hamels too and Theo/Jed jumped on it.

bigbadjohnny
11 months 21 days ago

Still bitter over missing out on Turner !

WashingtonRancors
11 months 21 days ago

Going to go out on limb here…. a very solid limb, Hamels and Papelbon stay put. Byrd is traded for next to nothing.

hacker13
11 months 21 days ago

Byrd could have been traded for next to nothing last week – which according to Amaro is what he was offered. Why would he do so now if he isn’t under pressure to cut salary? Its not like there is someone sitting in AAA waiting for his chance to play being blocked by Byrd (hence why the Phillies had to sign Grady Sizemore).

James
11 months 20 days ago

Byrd is actually viewed as having a reasonable contract,

Robbieb7
11 months 21 days ago

Factoring in the waiver order(reverse of standings) who do you think claimed Hamels and has priority? Let’s see who can guess it correctly.

Robbieb7
11 months 21 days ago

I’ll start: Cubs but hamels will stay put

Jondo
11 months 21 days ago

Cubs won’t spend that kind of money.

KJ4realz
11 months 21 days ago

Yes, but the Phillies won’t just give him up. If Clayton Kershaw was on waivers, you know the worst team in the NL would claim him even if they couldn’t afford his contract. They are doing it to block anyone else from acquiring him that can afford the contract.

Dodgers wouldn’t just give up Kershaw for salary relief the same way the phillies wouldn’t give up Hamels for the same. Now Ryan Howard on the other hand…

mlbaustin
11 months 21 days ago

Dodgers

WashingtonRancors
11 months 21 days ago

No way jose! They probably put in a claim but no way they are awarded the claim. Their record is too good.

Guest
11 months 21 days ago

You seem to know an awful lot for someone that’s not part of the Phillies front office. Last time I checked, one can’t know the future. It would have also made sense for the Rockies to claim Jacob Turner, but they didn’t. Anything can happen. That is my guess. Quit arguing with opinions.

WashingtonRancors
11 months 21 days ago

Going to have to say Cubs are awarded the claim with SF, STL and LAD all putting in claims as well.

iedodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

Cubs……

BSJ78
11 months 21 days ago

I’d be surprised if Hamels made it past the Cubs. They are going to be shopping for top of rotation pitchers this offseason anyway, so they probably figured they could make the claim and see if they could convince Amaro to give them a bargain.

There’s no real chance for an actual trade…but it doesn’t hurt to claim him.

11 months 21 days ago

Guarantee if the Cubs were willing to trade a few of their top prospects-which they won’t-the Phillies would jump all over that. Now Hamels…

sickoe47
11 months 21 days ago

Hope it was the dodgers.

bigbadjohnny
11 months 21 days ago

that would be interesting….need to give up a top prospect in return.

iedodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

Im fine with that. A top prospect, not multiple top prospects

iedodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

Im sure SF would claim just to block the Dodgers.

dieharddodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

Yeah, I could see that too.

bigbadjohnny
11 months 21 days ago

Phillies are in such a mess……they need to clean out the FO, dump salaries, and rebuild the farm system………..look at 2022 time table to see the Phillies back in the playoffs.

iedodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

We’ll give RAJ Pederson and lower ceiling guys and take Hamels and the his entire salary

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
11 months 21 days ago

Awful. If I was a GM I’d lowball Amaro cuz well he’s Ruben, but 1 good
prospect plus “lower ceiling guys” yeah..not happening even with Amaro

iedodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

I wouldn’t give him too much credit. Lower ceiling guys( Lee, Guerrero) Not our top guys ( Urias, Seager) I didn’t mean bottom of the barrel.

dieharddodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

Yeah, a package like Pederson, LH SP Chris Reed or Zach Lee and Alex Guerrero for Hamels would be fair, assuming the Dodgers take on all of Hamels’ salary.

Robbieb7
11 months 21 days ago

I’d be fine with that, but don’t think Guerrero is a fit for the Phillies.

dieharddodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

I think he would. Guerrero could probably play 3B, which the Phillies really don’t have anyone. And Utley is only signed through 2015 so Guerrero could move there in a year.

Robbieb7
11 months 21 days ago

Phillies aren’t going to give up on Asche, and if Franco can get it together he’ll be up by mid next year. Utley has vesting options through 2018, he’ll still be here for awhile.

dieharddodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

Okay, so maybe they do another prospect instead. My point is the Dodgers and Phillies could make it work out.

hacker13
11 months 21 days ago

Good luck with that… Amaro wanted top prospects back for Marlon Byrd. He’s gonna want a whole lot more back for one of the best pitchers in the game who is still in his prime.

Phillyfan425
11 months 21 days ago

Please find where it said he wanted “top prospects” back for Byrd. The reports have said “good prospects”. There is a difference between “top” and “good”. I’m curious that everyone keeps saying “top prospects” are what RAJ asked for Byrd – despite never seeing that one time, myself (and I feel like I follow the rumors pretty well).

hacker13
11 months 21 days ago

I heard this from Jayson Stark on his radio show. You can listen to the podcast on 97.5 the fanatic. Reports were they asked the Yankees for Luis Severino or Aaron Judge, #2 and #5 in their system (this per Dan Pfeiffer).

NotCanon
11 months 20 days ago

The Yankees system – not in all baseball. There’s a massive difference between #2 and #5 in the Yankees system, and, say, the Red Sox.

James
11 months 20 days ago

Severino is a good prospect- top 50ish in all of baseball.
Judge is a power hitter without a true position and a questionable hit tool. I love judge, but really top 150ish in all of baseball. The yankees have an average to weak farm system.

Johnny Delancey
11 months 21 days ago

Would Ruben Amaro Jr. take a package centered around Josh Bell and Nick Kingham for Hamels? along with a couple of the Pirates good midlevel prospects? Would the Phillies pay about 30 million of his remaining salary?

WashingtonRancors
11 months 21 days ago

No way the pirates risked putting in a waiver claim, that contract would bankrupt them.

GrilledCheese39
11 months 21 days ago

They honestly do have the money, they are just unwilling to spend it. So they would not go bankrupt, but you can bet they wouldn’t make any other additions until the Hamels contract would be up.

Johnny Delancey
11 months 21 days ago

Hamels contract would limit the Pirates financially in the future, but if the Phillies paid it down to an average annual salary of about 18 million per year, it would be very manageable for the Pirates if Hamels was producing like a number one starter for most of the remainder of the contract.

TommyC
11 months 21 days ago

No risk at all.

Any situation where the Phillies would just let hi go, they wouldn’t be allowed to. And if for some idiotic reason, the Phils did send him to Pittsburgh for nothing, the Pirates could just turn around and flip him for a good haul in the offseason.

This is why I wouldn’t be surprised to hear he was claimed by the Rockies simply as a means of blocking Los Angeles.

Jeff Miller
11 months 21 days ago

That’s not enough, especially if the Phillies eat 1/3 of his remaining salary. Even without taking on money it’s probably a non-starter without Glasnow and either Polanco or Bell.

To get Hamels at $15M over the next 4 years it’ll take something along the lines of Glasnow, Bell/Polanco, Hanson, Jones and Sampson. That’s a monster price for the Pirates to pay in terms of players, but it’s gotta hurt to acquire a player like Hamels in a trade with the Phillies eating $30M.

Johnny Delancey
11 months 21 days ago

Okay, nevermind then, lol.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
11 months 21 days ago

Exactly. Pittsburgh would be paying Hamels 60% of what comparable pitchers would be getting. It would cost that much more to get a guy like Hamels at that price tag.

TL
11 months 21 days ago

If I were the Pirates, I’d replace Glasnow with Taillon+Heredia and do that in a heartbeat, provided we are trading Bell and not Polanco. Losing Bell and Jones would really hurt, along with the other guys, but four years of a rotation anchored by Hamels and Cole (and eventually Glasnow) plus Morton and Kingham would would be great.

However, that would probably mean that Martin is gone, thus weakening the rotation overall. So no thanks.

Bob
11 months 20 days ago

I thought the Pirates matched up well with Tampa for Price. However I think Hamels would give the Pirates the ability to have a front of the rotation big contract pitcher without getting tied into 8 years or 9 years. The Pirates OF is obviously blocked up. It would be Glasnow as the center piece though. Josh Bell + some smaller pieces

James
11 months 20 days ago

Looking at value,good trade. Hamels has a good not great contract, that represents only about a 3-5m per year savings on what you can get in the FA market. Bell as a mid 30ies ranked prosepct is worth about 30m in vlaue, kingham as a slightly lesser prospect in the 10m range. The cash plus the 10ish mil in value from the contract is about equal to the value of the prospects.

the problem- amaro does not think like the rest of baseball. he refused to accept any of the actual statistics used, or apply any economic forecasters

Ace2095
11 months 21 days ago

Can the phillies put RAJ on waivers :P.

iedodgerfan
11 months 21 days ago

They could, but he would go unclaimed like Papelbon.

Robbieb7
11 months 21 days ago

he’d clear waivers for sure

Light_tower_power
11 months 21 days ago

Just Designate him for assignment

Melvin Mendoza, Jr.
11 months 21 days ago

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