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UVAguy81
As an O’s fan, I’d be interested in seeing what Philly would want for Utley. If they paid some of the salary and maybe wanted a middling prospect, I would do the deal. Second Base is definitely one of the needs right now. Schoop isn’t ready yet and Flaherty should only be used in case of emergencies or as a defensive replacement.
DarthMurph
Knowing the Phillies, it’d cost Bundy+ and you’d have to take all the money.
Jeff Todd
Utley has more value than that, both to the Phillies and in reality. His deal has only $12MM in guaranteed money left (likely to become $17MM unless he misses time w a knee injury this year), then three years of vesting/club options that won’t be guaranteed if he is injured or doesn’t stay a starter (500 PA).
EDIT to add … he’s been a 5-win player this year, and he’s been at least a well-above-average player since he stopped being an elite player. Contract ameliorates injury/age concerns. I think he has quite a bit of trade value, teams would love to have him (if he’d waive 10-5 rights).
griffey9988
I agree that he has more value than people are giving him credit for, but he has his downsides as well. Even though he is having a very good year, he is also in his upper 30’s, and has not proven that he can stay healthy (prior to this year only played 130 games or more once over the past 4 seasons). The above commentor suggesting the O’s part with Harvey and Bundy plus another prospect is way too much. That would be more than the Rays got for David Price, although I understand it is tough to compare Price and Utley due to position differences and salary. If this kind of return is what the Phillies were asking for, no wonder they didn’t make any trades prior to the deadline.
Jeff Todd
Yeah that sounds like too much, but I could see a team giving up a fairly premium prospect for him. (Not that it seems likely he’ll be moved.)
jeffm
They’re not gonna give him up for a middling prospect. Would probably cost Bundy or Harvey and another prospect, especially if the Phillies are taking on money.
DarthMurph
Both plus another prospect and no money.
jeffm
Probably Ruben’s starting point.
Jim Johnson
There’s no chance that is what Utley gets. I can see Ruben asking for that, but that’s why he didn’t make any trades this past deadline.
flyerzfan12
That’s what the poster was getting at.
PSUOrioles
I’m open to trading Bundy, but I would only do it for a top line starter like Sale. No way I trade him for Utley, even though I think he could definitely help the Os.
jeffm
I get that. Even if Utley decided to waive his NTC, got a feeling he wouldn’t clear waivers far enough to get to the Orioles.
DarthMurph
Likely not since he’d have to go through the entire NL and most of the AL. I feel like the Dodgers would probably put a claim in.
peregrintook69
Interesting that the Dodgers would given they don’t really need him much. I would suspect the Giants would be more inclined.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
David Price himself didn’t command such a price.
Why would the O’s give up Bundy or Harvey for an aging injury prone second baseman, who has a big contract.
N…O… No!
jeffm
Price got back 2 good, young big league players and a really good SS prospect. If he was moved for just prospects it would’ve cost Bundy and Harvey.
I’m not saying it would happen, just what the cost should be for one the better 2B in the game.
peregrintook69
Not a big contract for his value even with the injury concerns.
Bradley Cramer
It’s not necessarily what Philly wants for Utley, it’s does Utley want to leave Philly. Utley is 10/5 player and can reject any trade and he has thus far shown no interest in leaving Philly.
peregrintook69
This is the kicker, only a handful or so of teams don’t really need Utley (Tigers, Rays, Mariners, Astros, Red Sox, Dodgers, Twins) but yet he still has little interest in moving anywhere. The Orioles would be a great fit for him and he would still be, generally speaking, pretty close to Philadelphia but he seems to love Philly.
Stonehands
I would love to see the sox make a run at Castillo, though I don’t see the pressing need. I guess if you get him coupled with an extension to Cespedes, move Allen Craig to 1B in 2016 then this could actually work out
stl_cards16
Craig needs to be at 1B long-term for sure. I think trading Napoli and moving Craig to 1st would be best for the Sox.
start_wearing_purple
I wouldn’t be shocked to see Nap getting shopped in the winter, but he’s a FA after next season so they might risk it.
Dustroia15
Just an idea of how it could work with Castillo:
Cespedes plays 130 in LF
Castillo plays 110 in RF, 20 CF, SS?
JBJ plays 130 in CF
Craig plays 50 in RF, 40 1B, 25 DH
Ortiz plays 135 at DH
Holt plays 25 in LF, 10 CF, 15 SS, 70 3B
Napoli plays 125 at 1B
Also, keeps a strong lineup if you lose someone to an injury. Napoli and Ortiz potentially won’t be here past next year.
Stonehands
I’m not too worried about that problem, but that plan eliminates Victorino assuming he is still on the roster
M.Kit
I think its likely Victorino has played his last game with Boston
Dustroia15
I think the OF rotation would be Castillo, Cespedes and 2 of JBJ, Betts, Nava and Victorino. The two out of the rotation get moved. Holt will also spend time in the OF.
Stonehands
Betts still needs more work at AAA, Nava has struggled, and Vic and Cespedes are injury prone, JBJ, Holt, Cespedes, Vic, and Castillo should be plenty of depth with Betts as an emergency option in AAA, or trade Vic and put Nava in AAA as well.
M.Kit
Nava’s actually hit pretty well since his June call-up. He was at the mendoza line during his inital demotion, but he’s now at .251
Stonehands
Wow did not realize that, but even so, if Nava is no more than depth there is no way Vic would accept a demotion for that
phil mitchell
Are you going to tell oritz he is on the bench for 27 games a year?
Dustroia15
He will probably play about 150 last year, about 135 last year and 90 the year before. He will be 39 years old. I was just putting reasonable estimates in. Someone is bound to get hurt as well.
mrshyguy99
dodgers really need pitching help. i hope they can find some
peregrintook69
Ryu, Greinke, Kershaw, and Beckett (being league average) is helping make that issue pretty minor and in the playoffs that amounts to two starts for Beckett, best case scenario. Yes they could use a piece to plug up that Haren size whole the rest of the way to the postseason but they don’t need it that bad. I’m glad that NC didn’t part with the big three prospects for any pitching upgrade like Lester or Price because Ryu would then be pushed to the #4 spot in the playoffs and the upgrade there is minimal. I just wish he could have gotten Colon or something to at least plug up the #5 spot.
Out of place Met fan
Colon to highest bidder in August
kdub53
Nice. Along with any other 3-4 type starters from non contending teams. Pitchers are getting hurt left and right!
108 stitches 2
Michael Carp to the Royals….just makes way to much sense given the 6 weeks of regular at bats. The Royals might find out the have a decent power hitter….or not, but worth a shot I would think. Any guesses on who might block a waiver claim by KC?
peregrintook69
He’s getting $13.5 million a year and he’s been a borderline HoF his whole career thus far. I don’t understand why people still think so little of him, yes he gets injured but so does Tulowitzki and he’s the most valuable shortstop in MLB.