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scann
I think Mozeliak going to regret that deal….
Hawkeye2020
haha, I don’t think so. As a Cards fan, who has watched Shelby for years, he is just on “the revenge cloud”, right now he is risen high, but he will fall. Heyward had no qualms, so nothing to prove, Shelby has everything to prove. Yes, Shelby is signed for quite some time, and Heyward has a one year deal, and not shown the numbers we have hoped for, but it doesn’t mean he won’t. This deal will take another year or more to see…
East Coast Bias
I don’t understand. You just said Hayward is signed for this year only, so how will the deal take another year or more to see?
Taskmaster75
Think he means that he doesn’t expect Shelby to keep up his performance in the coming years, rendering the trade more defensible.
David Coonce
I truly doubt Shelby Miller will post a .204 BABIP all season. Regression will come. He’s still a good pitcher but he’s not *this* good.
Draven Moss
I think it is quite obvious Miller won’t keep this up however going forward, he can be an extremely good pitcher. At one point, he was the 6th best prospect in baseball according to Baseball America. That certainly means that he has the stuff and ability to pitch great. The Cardinals sold low on him (and they really didn’t need him at the time) and the Braves will more than likely win that trade when it is all said and done (unless Heyward is extended). However, that should’ve been expect anyways. Whenever you trade for a rental, you are pretty much bound to lose that trade.
VanHicklestein
Anyone who’s watched him pitch the last 2 season knows he can be an extremely mediocre pitcher, too.
Lance
Heyward has EVERYTHING to prove. This is no way to produce in a FA contract year if you’re looking for a $100m+ deal.
Brixton G.
Heyward has ever had 1 season with a WAR under 5.7. (He had a 5.7 WAR pace in 2013). He’ll top 100M with ease even if he has a down year this year.
Paul Michaels
If Heyward tops $100 million with ease after this year, then that’s just sad.
Brixton G.
Why? Because hes one of the most value players in baseball?
Paul Michaels
Heyward I think is overrated as a player. The defense he provides is generally solid but as an overall player I don’t see anything that really warrants $100+ million, especially with the way he’s hitting this year. That being said it wouldn’t surprise me to see a team still offer him $100+ million but I don’t believe it’d be worth it.
Ruthlessly Absurd
Well the Cardinals are currently leading the league in ERA, which I imagine eases some of the sting. Now obviously they’d love to have more pitching (who wouldn’t) but it’s not like they’re the Red Sox
oh Hal
If only google translate would do Mozeliak. Those comments might be as close as he’ll come to admitting he does regret the deal.
Adam Heath
If Miller does in fact stay this good, it will look like a reversal of the Wainwright/JD Drew trade.
VanHicklestein
This comparison is starting to get annoying.
Lance
EZ to knock this deal—-but Drew had an outstanding year for the Braves as did Eli Marrero. The Braves won their division in great part due to the success of these two so I rate it as a good trade for BOTH teams. The fact the Braves didn’t hold on to Drew is not a factor IMO. They knew what they were getting. Big difference between this and the Teixeria deal with Texas was Tex didn’t get the Braves into the playoffs and so it was a fail in spite of the fact Mark did a great job for Atlanta. Of course, that was a deal that put the Rangers in the World Series a few years later. If Heyward puts up good numbers the second half in helping STL to the world series then it’s a good deal for the Redbirds. This deal was made for the Cards to win NOW.
blake
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dodgers made a move for Miller.
Paul Michaels
Considering that Miller is the one really bright spot for the Braves in a season where they aren’t doing as bad as many expected, don’t expect them to part with him unless the Dodgers offered a pretty decent package.
Draven Moss
It is gonna take one of Pederson/Seagar/Urias to get it done. I doubt the Dodgers do that.
Lance
The Braves have Miller for another three years and he’s only 24. Why on earth would they trade him now?
NatKingCole45
Shelby Miller for Jason Heyward never made sense for St. Louis. Miller a young, controllable high upside pitcher. While Heyward is, in my opinion, one of the most overrated players (especially hitters) in the game.
Joseph Davis
No kidding. Guy hit a home run in his first at bat as a brave and he lived off that the whole rest of his time there.
NatKingCole45
Amen brother.
VanHicklestein
This whole thread is embarrassing.
W.G
The only way Heyward would be a win for the Cards is if Heyward hits a big stride in the second half, and signs an extension with them. And as much as I hope those things happen, I don’t think either of them will.
In respect to why you make that trade, it’s cause the death of Taveras (RIP), and not knowing that Grichuk, Bourjos and Jay would all solidly hit in the following year. the FO felt they had depth in the SP department, and you’d get back a great defender with the potential to be a superstar, and a solid set-up man in Jordan Walden. Sure it’s a gamble, especially with Heyward being a FA after this season, but it’s not like they gave up several high-level pieces to get the two.
Also, the 2013 and 2014 postseason showed the Cardinals not being that comfortable with Miller, for whatever reason. There could have been some tension between him and the FO possibly. Who knows.
Lance
If Heyward has a big second half and the Cards get to the WS and he’s a factor—-this trade is a success for STL. The Cards knew this was probably a one year deal and they’re playing for a championship NOW—not three years from now. STL has a darn good record under Mozeliak—I’d cut the guy some slack as someone who knows what he’s doing.
NickGarren
wonder if the A’s would take Travis Wood for Zobrist??