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joshbresser
Nice to see that one seller cares enough to act, unlike the Reds. 🙂
sigurd 2
There’s still a whole week left until the deadline. Whats the rush? Might as well wait for the best offer so we maximize our haul.
joshbresser
That’s the problem, waiting has cost the Reds big time already. Beyond the market evolving from a seller’s market to a buyer’s market (the SP market last month- when Cueto should have been dealt- was a lot smaller), they run the risk of Cueto getting hurt and killing all of his value. Plus, they’re leveraging his return on a COORS FIELD start. He should have been dealt immediately following the Kazmir trade, at the absolute latest. Waiting now is just begging for him to get hurt.
Kapler's Coconut Oil
He should have been traded a month ago? It doesn’t matter the market, no seller would make a move an entire ago
sigurd 2
That all supposes we were offered something good a month ago. Letting Cueto go for peanuts just so we can get SOMETHING and have it done doesn’t make sense.
joshbresser
Why would we not be offered something good a month ago, relative to what we’re offered now, haha? Common sense dictates that teams will pay more for 18 starts of Cueto than they will for 13/14. Especially if he’s less likely to make those starts now than he was a month ago.
This isn’t hindsight, either. I’ve been saying this for a good month+. Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that.
sigurd 2
The logic there is fallacious. Why didn’t everyone just deal during the winter break then and get a full year of everyone that they wanted? Needs adjust over time. Some teams from a month ago that might have been out are now in on Cueto and vice versa.
Also, we don’t know what the offers are. If teams are offering something similar to what the A’s got for Kazmir i’m not interested. Id rather have them get the QO pick at the end of the year.
joshbresser
You’d rather have a QO than Nottingham, who is a top 80 prospect on most midseason rankings, and another solid pitching prospect? Well, you just don’t “Get it” then.
Plus, there’s reason to think that Cueto could have demanded a lot more than Kazmir a month ago.
Your logic about not buying at the winter meetings isn’t applicable. Most buying Teams knew where they stood 3-4 weeks ago. The lack of moves, as it always is, is a lack of Supply, not a lack of Demand. Potential sellers were still considering whether to go for it or not with the 2nd WC. Of course, for the Reds, it should have been PLAINLY obvious by that point.
sigurd 2
FG would put him in the 85-150 range in their rankings: fangraphs.com/blogs/breaking-down-the-prospects-in…
The second guy isn’t an extremely solid pitching prospect. Lots of scouts have him going to the pen. We will see.
And yes, id rather have a Carlos Rodon type pick that can help soon than an A ball catcher that might help way down the line. We aren’t doing a Phillies level rebuild.
Agree to disagree I suppose. We’ll see what we can get for Cueto now. I’m hoping he goes to the jays and we get Norris+.
joshbresser
We won’t get Norris for Cueto now. Won’t even come close. The Jays are scared off by his health, apparently. If they get him, it will be for one or more of their non-premium prospects.
I know, it sucks that Walt hurt the Reds with his needless insistence on waiting. But it is what it is.
jollyjack
You really think you’re going to get “a Carlos Rodon type pick” from a QO? Rodon went 3rd overall last year. The average comp pick will be a much bigger roll of the dice than Nottingham is right now.
jeffro513
They better hope for a big outing tonight. If he struggles and walks batters it will definitely hurt the reds
dbeattie
Plus why would a team offer anymore at the deadline when you’re paying for less starts. In my mind the earlier you swap himthe better return you should get (barring a team gets desperate)
stymeedone
Competition causes the price to rise. Now is when most buyers are trying to buy. i.e. If the Dodgers don’t want him, trade him to the Giants. The Dodgers may up the offer just to prevent him from going to their Rival. Look how much Ceshek returned with 4 teams vying for him. Imagine if they had moved him earlier when only one team was interested. Even Less!!!
rogerwilco
If Jocketty would be willing to deal with the Cardinals, they would probably make a good offer for Votto. But Jocketty is still kinda mad about being pushed out of St. Louis. I don’t blame him. I liked Jocketty as a GM but he’s old school and doesn’t like to rebuild.
stymeedone
If they wouldn’t give the money to Pujols, they aren’t gonna pay somebody else’s Pujols.
screwball
that is one beast bullpen
jakesaub
Cherington, screw you.
stl_cards16 2
This would be great. Rosenthal, Maness, and Siegrist have been relied on too much with Belisle and Walden on the DL. This would add a much needed quality late-inning arm.
4551232220476
excellent pick up by cards. lots of wear on existing arms in high leverage siturations with injuries to belisle and waldmen. , and also if cishek is right he not only can close when needed- add him to siegrist,rosenthal, and waldmen -you have a solid 4 to make it a 5 inning game and lessen innings for young starters. cishek prob makes a large nut for a non closer role, but he is proven and showed a lot of character with willingness to go to minor leagues and fix problems and return in non closer role.
stymeedone
It wasn’t like he had a choice. He got sent down. He didn’t have a choice. The team wasn’t going to trust him with the closer’s role. Again, not his decision. No character conclusions can be drawn.
Monkey’s Uncle
I was really hoping that the Bucs might make a move for Cishek. Low risk, possible high reward, and would have kept the Cards from adding him.
tklob84
Good bullpen arm for the cardinals that they gave up little for. He reminds me of nieshek with the arm angle should do good to help out Rosie and Walden when he comes back
AsFan89
Cards are paying $6.65m on top of it? That seems steep, no?
tklob84
Mostly likely DFA candidate at the end of the year if that’s the case
AndreTheGiantKiller
It’s the remainder of his 6.6 Mil salary, so less than 3 Mil for the rest of the season
AsFan89
Ah, misread that. My fault.
rogerwilco
In return for the high salary, the Cardinals didn’t have to give up much for him. Has anyone ever even heard of this Barraclough guy? I haven’t.
AsFan89
He walks a ton of people, that’s for sure.
rogerwilco
Nice! Now, if only the Cardinals could get a first basemen…
Matt McCarron 3
Piscotty has that for now.
theo2016
Salary dump.
kiddhoff
Although I’m an a meter compared to some of you, I like to guess at what may happen. I’m a Cards fan, and expect them to make a big deal, as they have money to spend. One guy that hasn’t been mentioned lately is Mitch Moreland. I think he would be a very good fit for the Cards.
Matt Galvin
Could has also give Cardinals Morse or Prado.
mazzone
Nice article, Jeff. Well done.