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joey
if the Dodgers are gonna go after Hamels, it should be an obvious trade-chip to include Alex Guerrero (along with getting him to waive his clauses so he can be a full time player with the Phillies for 16/17 then hit Free Agency having proven himself a starter). But if he stays in LA, its like keeping Ruth in Boston… this guy homers every 10-12 at bats. LET HIM!
Steve Adams
Guerrero can become a free agent after the season if he’s traded. I don’t see any reason he’d waive that right to lock himself into $10MM total over the next two seasons. He could sign a one-year deal this winter and probably make something similar while positioning himself to hit free agency a year sooner.
There’s no real incentive for the Phillies to ask for him in a trade.
mattg-5
He’s already stated he would waive it for a starting role.
Steve Adams
Guerrero hasn’t stated it, unless I completely missed that, in which case I’m misinformed. There’s been a report citing an anonymous source saying he’d consider it, but Guerrero’s a Scott Boras client as well. I have a difficult time seeing him advertise that he’d waive that right to get at-bats. Maybe it’s the case, but I have a difficult time envisioning Boras sacrificing that kind of leverage.
BlueSkyLA
Here’s a reason he might: At the moment his market is as a glorified utility player, a role into which he is probably stuck for as long as he’s with the Dodgers. If he believes his value is as a regular, and we can be sure he and his agent do, then he has to get himself a starting assignment somewhere, and prove it. Sometimes you have to give up leverage to get leverage.
RedRooster
Hamels may not HAVE to be traded right now, but the Phillies would be stupid to not trade him. His value isn’t going to get any higher.
seamaholic 2
I don’t think this is accurate. Hamels is pitching poorly at the moment, and if you wait his deal gets more and more attractive. I think you get more frankly if you wait until the off-season.
Vandals Took The Handles
Based on the money the name free agent pitchers will be getting this off-season, Hamels contract will be extremely reasonable by comparison.
thecoffinnail
So, you view a 33 year old pitcher with more innings on his arm than Shields had at 33 should make more per season than Shields? Remember that Shields main drawbacks when he was fishing for a contract was that he was older (33) and had too many innings on his arm.. Hamels is a bit under market value this year but will be over market value moving forward when his arm crosses the 2000 inning plateau..
RedRooster
Cole is also WAY BETTER than Shields
Look Its Placido Polanco
For the record, 33-year old Cole Hamels will be 31 until December.
flyerzfan12
As long as Cole is healthy, a few starts isn’t going to change how other teams view him. The longer the Phillies hold on to him, the riskier it gets. The last thing the Phillies need is Cliff Lee 2.0 happening.
This off-season is probably the worst time to shop him, too many aces are available. If the Phillies fail to trade him before the deadline, then their best move is to wait til next year’s deadline. And in my eyes, holding him for another year is way too risky. If you’re getting no good offers, it’s one thing. But now is the time to move if you get a fair deal.
And all of that is coming from a Phillies fan.
RedRooster
Yes and at next year’s trade deadline Cole will be one year older with 1 less year on his contract. I can’t see anyone offering more for him then than they would now. And as you mentioned, there’s always the risk that he gets injured between now and then.
zxcx
When you put it like that, sure, I could see your point. But you’re also leaving out the fact that by waiting until the off season to shop him, you’re dealing with a crowded market of top end starters. On top of that, every bit of waiting means less team control for an acquiring team. If a team isn’t willing to give the haul the team really wants now, why would they feel inclined to do so in a few months? It’s not as if his value has really taken a hit because of a poor few starts.
RedRooster
So what if he’s pitching poorly right now? Everyone goes through rough patches and every team in baseball knows how good he really is. There’s no way they get more for him by waiting until the offseason. The deadline is when teams overpay for that needed piece to aid them in their playoff push and plenty of teams need a frontline starter right now. The demand for Hamels will be nowhere near as high in the offseason.
mrkinsm
Why would anyone trade good prospects in the offseason when they can just buy a pitcher via FA? Teams always pay more in trades during the season. Not to mention he could blow out his arm next month and then they get nothing.
Look Its Placido Polanco
Because (A) he’s cost controlled, which is very important for the mid-market clubs and (B) just because you want to sign an available pitcher doesn’t mean he will sign with you.
RedRooster
You have a point but still, no one is going to offer as much prospect-wise during the offseason as they would at the deadline.
RedRooster
Red Sox should just trade all their pending free agents and try to outbid everyone for Cueto in the offseason. Trading for him now won’t make him any more likely to sign with him in the offseason. He’s going to take the best offer he gets no matter what.
Lance
I doubt Astros fans were dancing in the Astrodome parking lot when Larry Anderson was sent to the Red Sox for Jeff Bagwell, either. 🙂