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mike156
The article might better be titled “The Red Sox Media Reactions to the Tigers Front Office Changes.”
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Vandals Took The Handles
Unless the Red Sox change their moneyball philosophies and give Dombrowski the latitude to run things with no interference, I see no reason why he would want to go there.
When a person establishes the cred he has over the period of time he has, he’ll demand the right to do things his way. I can’t see the Red Sox ownership giving that to anyone.
I’m guessing the Jays are the #1 option. Not sure there is a #2 at this point. But a well financed organization that is under performing, along with a hands-off ownership, might well move some people to turn their operations over to DD. The Mariners are the only candidate I see as of right now. Padres might be a long shot if the owner wakes up.
chive
Angels, Brewers, Rangers, and O’s would probably be in the mix, too. Overall, I agree with you. I’d put my money on the Jays.
Dock_Elvis
Reading your description of the characteristics of a team that would fit him, I thought Mariners before getting to your mention of them.
I suppose it depends on his role. I could also see him working for MLB. I could also see a surprise team involved in a presidency. I know the White Sox seem like a long shot, and they probably are… But if Dombrowski is still around and Kenny Williams took the Toronto job as was rumored in the past…I could see Dombrowski taking over on the south side.
There’s too much made about Dombrowskis lack of analysis. I know for a fact his Montreal organization was spearheading their use in the 1980’s. Oakland wasn’t the only dog on that fight.
As for Chicago. Dombrowski is a Western Michigan grad who interned with Roland Hemond at the old ballpark. He charted and even rolled tarp if need be. He can have almost any job he wants though
thecoffinnail
Agreed.. I came to the Mariners as a conclusion right after I read “well financed organization that is under performing, along with a hands-off ownership”.. That fits the Mariners better than in other organization.. With DD’s knack for trades and the Mariners current roster he could be the missing link in getting them a championship.. What a huge upgrade he would be over the joke of a front office that they have now..
Dock_Elvis
Jack Z certainly treads water. The tag on him will always be that he talked his scouts out of taking Trout #2 and going with Ackley who have them absolutely nothing
Vandals Took The Handles
Red_line;
Every MLB team uses statistical analysis. The high-level issue is – does that drive their decision making? The next level down is – are they wedded to certain philosophies such as driving up pitch counts to a point where BA with RISP in critical games takes a 2nd seat? That defense is not as important as getting a bat in the line-up, play the guy and any position he can stand at.
Heck, the Royals uses stats more then the average fan realizes.
Dock_Elvis
I was just speaking about Dombrowski in particular during his Montreal days because I have personal knowledge of their use during that era and what he also left for Kevin Malone. That was a day when analysis certainly wasn’t prevalent in the media. I just state this about DD because I’ve read recent commenting on his lack of analytical approach. The bare fact is that analysis predates almost everyone and goes back to John McGraw and Branch Rickey. Earl Weaver might be the modern era genesis of them…add that to Eric Walkers research which led to Sandy Alderson who was onto analysis about the same time as Bill James. No nothing new…but Dombrowski, much like Sandy Alderson was an early proponent of our advanced analysis
johnsilver
Take a long ,hard look at the perpetual, wretched state the Tiger farm system has stayed in under Dombrowski. If Boston was to approach him? Would want him hands off with the farm system, something that Boston has done a fine job of from Duquette on. Last thing they need is someone that has no clue how to draft, scout and trades the few people their own system does manage to develop away.
Dock_Elvis
To be fair.. He’s likely been under orders from Illitch on roster moves, and that’s hurt the farm. He has a much longer track record of player development
johnsilver
The Tiger organization, at one time used to be very good at scouting, drafting and development. I live in Lakeland where they have a FSL league team and have had it for decades. This team has produced Allan Trammel thru here, Lou Whittaker, Kirk Gibson, Jack Morris and more. Notice something? None for a couple of decades. This organization has lost it’s way and I see it every day. The kids being drafted and developed just are of inferior quality.
This team isn’t drafting and developing like they used to, probably because they are not spending like a major market team in this area, like they are on back end pitchers, which they are. Take some of that money they spend on a reserve player and move it to a few extra scouts making 30k (all they make) per season.
Might find out that the team won’t find themselves having to get old every season like they have every year of late and improve from within.
Dock_Elvis
You’re going back 40 years…Dombrowski didn’t oversee that…and they developed little after Fryman. I think they get old because the owner demands a compete now team
cookiemonster
the point of a farm is to have the major league team win.
Dock_Elvis
True in the context that a team can also deal prospects for the MLB team
Vandals Took The Handles
Who built the farm system that got them to acquire players such as Miggy?
chive
I wonder if we’ll ever see a full explanation for this…
I would speculate Mike I’s son is taking over the team and the budget/expectations of the brave new era don’t match the ambition of DD.
thecoffinnail
Right.. I remember reading something about a week ago where Illitch was going to turn his concentration to a new arena for his other team and step back from baseball.. That could have been some reporters speculation though.. Hard to tell what is fact and what is speculation with today’s media..
bobbleheadguru
What if he has the idea to jump in with some wealthy partners and move the Rays to Montreal?
Dock_Elvis
That I would love….DD was running analysis back in the 80’s…it was a top end organization… That 1994 team was largely his formulation. Montreal was my team, so I’ll always have a soft spot for an Expos chance
thecoffinnail
That 94 team would have been great to watch in the World Series.. I remember they beat the pants off about every team they faced that year.. Plus, they were young and could have had a dynasty had they brought in the playoff and World Series money which would have let them pay for the roster in the following years instead of selling them off..
Vandals Took The Handles
Not surprising. DD came out of college a CPA when Rollie Hemond took him on.
Dock_Elvis
No one comes out of college a CPA…that’s a license my wife holds one in two states. It’s reportedly tougher than passing the bar. But yeah…that was the route back then….accounting or finance…MBA
miggypop44
Had a feeling Dombrowski was gone after this season.
Out of place Met fan
He would be a great hire for Seattle, oversee baseball operations
hiflyer000
Hiring Dombrowski to be GM and kicking Cherington back to player development would probably be a very smart move for the Red Sox. Cherington is great at identifying prospects, but is completely over matched when it comes to running the big club, so putting him back into a position where he can excel would be a good decision.
NickinIthaca
It’s tough to demote someone, and have them stay in the organization…..
Dock_Elvis
But it’s done fairly frequently. Teams just call it reassignment. I know several people that have held various roles…they’ve moved back and forth… Sometimes as they maybe aged they took on a role that included less travel. There’s some overlap in responsibility. Guess it depends on the organization as well. Colorado kind of had a core group of baseball operations people and evolved it. They were there forever, but most have moved on
Draven Moss
Dombrowski wasn’t released for him to pursue similar opportunities. Otherwise, he probably would’ve stayed with Detroit. He is in line for a promotion somewhere. If that were to be the Red Sox, he would probably become Head of Baseball Operations, or some job that would put him above Cherington (who would remain GM).
Dock_Elvis
Just how much the nature of the game has changed will be shown by DD being on the market. Hes due to set a precedent
dbeattie
Dombrowski to the Dodgers to make an absolute monster of a front office
John Hawkins
Blue Jays seem like the prefect option. Their president is retiring and he is now available.