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Portland Micro-Brewers
Ruben Amaro seems to be talking up how hard his job is. I’m sure it’s very stressful and demanding but to act like he was against the clock is silly. He should have started laying the groundwork for a Hamels trade in 2012-2013 offseason. It’s also good for Philly fans to see him acknowledge that he needs analytics. It’s worth big investments if only to understand how other teams value players. Am I wrong for thinking he dragged his feet long and hard on advanced stats? It seems like only a few years ago he was downplaying their necessity or importance,
Tribe82
It was like winning the lottery when we traded Moss for Kaminsky.
flyerzfan12
I was shocked when I saw that deal. A very un-Cardinals-like move to make.
Dock_Elvis
Lots of discussion and speculation on that deal on another post
jkunkle
I think the Cards understand their window may be closing. Lot of older players on that team and some younger players nearing FA. Then you have the Cubs and Pirates getting really good while being really young.
stl_cards16 2
Who are these younger players nearing free agency? Heyward and Lackey are the only meaningful pieces on the team that are free agents over the next few years.
cookiemonster
matt holliday? guess he is not meaningful. add in peralta, yadi, wainwright should begin to experience to decline.
vtadave
None of those guys are young by any means.
willreily
Sure, maybe some decline. but when you still have Grichuk, Piscotty, Wong, Adams, Martinez, Wacha, Gonzales as a young core you won’t have that sharp of a decline. Then add in the fact that they draft very well, and just signed a TV deal that will bring in extra payroll muscle. I have a hard time seeing their window closing, and even if there is a decline, it won’t be for long.
Vandals Took The Handles
Carpenter has plenty of years left, and he has become a part of the leadership infrastructure with Yadi, Wainwright and Holliday. The Cardinals know it’s not fantasy baseball. THey expect to wn and expect to play the game correctly. Carlos is starting now. The older guys will take on less, the younger guys will take on more. It’s the Cardinals way. They’ve only had one back-to-back losing season in over 50 years. They are not going to fall apart anytime soon.
cookiemonster
you count matt adams as a core piece an average 1bman.? grichuk is running a 382 babip, with a higher obp than he ever had in the minors. piscotty is bat only. carlos martinez is at a career high in innings and outperforming his fip. gonzales has not looked good this year at all. wacha has never thrown a full season. wong is by far the best piece. i don’t trust those pitchers holding up at all.
willreily
Yeah well if you take certain areas and hone in on what a player does wrong, you can find anything. And plus you are talking this year. I’m talking long term. Sure some of the players can fade out, but with all those players being that young I’d say its a safe bet at least 3-4 of them will be solid contributing players for a long time coming. Also I never said core means impact player. It just means a player that could be a key for the future.
And what you said about pitcher could apply to all pitchers, or any prospects in general. I don’t think it’s smart to judge any one player on one season. You’d have to look at their tools. Wacha Martinez and Gonzales all have plus stuff, and a majority of scouts agree their stuff could be mid-top of the rotation stuff. Wong has pop and is at least average defensively, which is good for a 2B. Grichuk has great power and solid speed, and while he may not stay in CF, he still has a place in the outfield.
Also, Kaminsky being traded has no barring on the fate of the franchise. Cardinals still have Jack Flaherty, Luke Weaver and Alex Reyes as pitching prospects. Not the best in the game, but still nothing to sneeze at.
wongpitchwongtime
People have been saying the window may be closing since 2006. Cardinals are set up to compete for years and years. Good move for the Indians, I guess we’ll see how it ends up being for us.
jkunkle
When I posted young players nearing FA, I just was including Heyward…however I still believe the Cards only have a year or 2 leading that division before they are 3rd best. Im not saying that they will be 62-100…but a .500 team. Besides Martinez, Wacha, and Wong, I am not sold on all the younger players in the organization. Granite new tv deal will probably bring in good FA’s
wongpitchwongtime
I’m not sold on all the younger players either, I think our farm system is much weaker than it has been in a very long time but I still see the Cards being a premier team for a long time. Pirates will see decline faster than we will, but the Cubs are looking like the team of the future.
Dock_Elvis
Cards resemble a niche market old school Braves type organization. Boy did they make out well in a few drafts
gamemusic3 2
28 not 29?
peyton
Does Moss have a no trade clause to one team or something?
davE 36
I think he’s assuming he wouldn’t go to Oakland since they just traded him last winter